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Posted 10/21/17 , edited 10/25/17
What happens when liberals are told that Trump's tax plan is Bernie's tax plan? They suddenly support it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz_dHfYfb8



Why is it that so many people have Trump Derangement Syndrome and cannot help but hate everything that has Trump's name on it? I can understand if you dislike certain parts and like other parts but to just blindly hate/like a tax plan based on who's name is in front of it seems like an easy way to get duped regardless of who is the president at the current year.
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Posted 10/21/17 , edited 10/21/17
Hate videos like that. You can go out with a camera and find a handful of idiots to say anything. Also, there is no tax plan.
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Rujikin wrote:

What happens when liberals are told that Trump's tax plan is Bernie's tax plan? They suddenly support it.

Why is it that so many people have Trump Derangement Syndrome and cannot help but hate everything that has Trump's name on it? I can understand if you dislike certain parts and like other parts but to just blindly hate/like a tax plan based on who's name is in front of it seems like an easy way to get duped regardless of who is the president at the current year.


The parts that the interviewer questioned the individuals on are the "innocent" tax reform aspects of President Trump's plan.
I find that "Trump Derangement Syndrome" applies to both opponents and supporters of President Trump.
Neither wants to accept that President Trump is not ideal nor is he the worst when it comes to where he is in his term.
The problem with President Trump stems from his lies and misinformation; or what some would consider his trolling.
President Trump has been caught in numerous lies and he simply places the onus of evidence into a state that leaves it up into the air.
He relies heavily on the "you are either with me or against me" mentality and that causes what you consider the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" for both opponents (liberals) and supporters.

Neither supporters nor opponents are more or less "deranged" when it comes down to their views on President Trump.
Criticism of a President and their policies are natural, always have been.
President Obama faced similar criticism when it came down to policies that were too "liberal" for his opponents or too "conservative" for his supporters.
The only difference between President Obama and President Trump, at the same point of their first term, is that President Trump has focused too greatly on trying to defend himself or to offend those who do not agree with him.
Nobody likes the guy that "chats shit" and claims that it's "their way or no way" in the real world.
President Trump embodies this mentality and causes harsher criticism on some of his suggested policies than he would have received from opponents to his policies otherwise.
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Well first of all that seems to focus only on the aspects of the tax plan that poeple don't have a problem with, so I don't see how that would make anyone deranged. Secondly, it's not all that surprising, really. Remember when people were fine with Obamacare as long as you described it without mentioning the Obama relation? Healthcare is going the same way as environmental protection, more about attacking people you don't like than trying to work towards progress and mutual benefit.
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Cydoemus wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

What happens when liberals are told that Trump's tax plan is Bernie's tax plan? They suddenly support it.

Why is it that so many people have Trump Derangement Syndrome and cannot help but hate everything that has Trump's name on it? I can understand if you dislike certain parts and like other parts but to just blindly hate/like a tax plan based on who's name is in front of it seems like an easy way to get duped regardless of who is the president at the current year.


The parts that the interviewer questioned the individuals on are the "innocent" tax reform aspects of President Trump's plan.
I find that "Trump Derangement Syndrome" applies to both opponents and supporters of President Trump.
Neither wants to accept that President Trump is not ideal nor is he the worst when it comes to where he is in his term.
The problem with President Trump stems from his lies and misinformation; or what some would consider his trolling.
President Trump has been caught in numerous lies and he simply places the onus of evidence into a state that leaves it up into the air.
He relies heavily on the "you are either with me or against me" mentality and that causes what you consider the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" for both opponents (liberals) and supporters.

Neither supporters nor opponents are more or less "deranged" when it comes down to their views on President Trump.
Criticism of a President and their policies are natural, always have been.
President Obama faced similar criticism when it came down to policies that were too "liberal" for his opponents or too "conservative" for his supporters.
The only difference between President Obama and President Trump, at the same point of their first term, is that President Trump has focused too greatly on trying to defend himself or to offend those who do not agree with him.
Nobody likes the guy that "chats shit" and claims that it's "their way or no way" in the real world.
President Trump embodies this mentality and causes harsher criticism on some of his suggested policies than he would have received from opponents to his policies otherwise.


With Obama I had to spend time to go and figure out what he was doing so I could figure out if I support or oppose it then decide if I wanted to criticize him.

With Trump some people aren't even spending the time and instead see the words "Trump" then immediately think its bad because Trump supports it.
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That video is a poor representation of Trump's tax plan.

-Child Tax Credit: I think that this is one of the few parts of Trump's plan that most people agree on. Here is some discussion from Brookings showing Hillary Clinton proposing to double the Child Tax Credit from $1000 to $2000. Sounds familiar, eh? It is misleading to act like this has anything to do with why people are against Trump's tax plan.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/10/13/clintons-child-tax-credit-proposal-a-good-start-on-helping-low-and-middle-income-families/

EDIT: A little more on this: Trump's tax plan also seeks to repeal the personal exemption which allows families to deduct around $4000 from their incomes, so many families are still making a net loss here.

-"Death Tax": By not explaining that the estate tax really only applies to a huge minority of top earners, it is a bit misleading as to what repealing the estate tax actually does. Being against the estate tax is pretty common when you think it will apply to you or that it may apply to you.

-Small Business: Again, this is misleading. I agree, it sounds good on paper. Lower taxes for small businesses. The problem comes when you start to look at the fact that 87% of households with business income already fall under that threshold. In reality, this does virtually nothing for actual "small businesses" and again really only helps out the top earners who aren't really what you think of when you think of "small businesses".

Poor show. At least if you are going to make a "gotcha" video, do it right.
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Republicans love the affordable care act when it's not called Obama care.... Yah nice straw man...
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Not surprising, say a plan is any republican and Democrats will automatically think it is bad because that is what Democrat leadership says.

I think it will get passed and Democrats will continue their decline in power. The idea of "Punish the rich and not the middle/lower" can not happen, either everyone is better off, or everyone is worse off. Can't expect to tax business more and ask them to higher more or raise wages more.

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Mariox777 wrote:
Can't expect to tax business more and ask them to higher more or raise wages more.



Why can't you create tax incentives based upon desired actions such as increasing wages, hiring workers and investing in America, instead of just sliding a pile of money across the table and saying "we hope you do the right thing"?
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Mariox777 wrote:
Can't expect to tax business more and ask them to higher more or raise wages more.



Why can't you create tax incentives based upon desired actions such as increasing wages, hiring workers and investing in America, instead of just sliding a pile of money across the table and saying "we hope you do the right thing"?


Because The US is ran by corporations not the people or government.
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It's called knee jerk reactions, they just support something as long as that thing is on their side. Trump supporters would support Hillary's plans is someone told them it was Trump's plan. Christians would love Muslim laws if someone told them it's what Jesus said etc.... Although you need to word is properly so they don't know where it's really from. For example you can get liberals to support eugenics if you just call it abortion instead, or promote a baby-free lifestyle, and call it liberation form oppressive patriarchy that forces women to have babies as a euphemism for ethnic cleansing.

TL:DR all Americans are stupid
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Rujikin wrote:

With Obama I had to spend time to go and figure out what he was doing so I could figure out if I support or oppose it then decide if I wanted to criticize him.

With Trump some people aren't even spending the time and instead see the words "Trump" then immediately think its bad because Trump supports it.


The crux of the issue is that the majority of people do not investigate or research these things in their spare time.
This issue extends to both sides of the political aisle, on an International scale.
Older citizens tend to utilize mainstream media as their primary source of news (even if this is the "12 o'clock" and "11 o'clock" [PM] local news).
Younger citizens often obtain their information from websites; blogs, Youtube, and news sites.
Both will always focus on the easiest path to gain an opinion.

You may have researched policies before forming an opinion on President Obama but this does not explicitly imply that all citizens who took a dislike towards him or his policies did the same.
I am certain you and I can agree that there are many individuals on this forum, alone, that do not do their "due diligence" when it comes researching the topic they engage in a semi-debate (discussion) about (extending beyond political topics).
Much to nobody's surprise, this phenomenon occurs away from the Internet as well and it does not matter which side of the discussion you are on, there is always going to be someone that agrees with you that is misinformed and those who disagree with you who are equally misinformed.
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Rujikin wrote:

What happens when liberals are told that Trump's tax plan is Bernie's tax plan? They suddenly support it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz_dHfYfb8


Y'know when women complain about "He-peating"?--Ie. when a woman suggests an idea and nobody listens, and then a guy says the same thing, and suddenly everybody thinks it sounds brilliant?

Call this Demo-peating...It DID sound better when Bernie said it. Probably because he was the one who said it to begin with.


Rujikin wrote:Why is it that so many people have Trump Derangement Syndrome and cannot help but hate everything that has Trump's name on it?


Ted Baxter: "Lou, why do you always say 'What is it now, Ted?' whenever I want to ask you something, like you're expecting it's going to be something stupid?"
Lou Grant: "Why is it every time I see a duck, I expect it to quack?"
-- Mary Tyler Moore Show

(Edit: Oo, got a report! And we know who, don't we?...BA-BING! )
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sundin13 wrote:

That video is a poor representation of Trump's tax plan.

-Child Tax Credit: I think that this is one of the few parts of Trump's plan that most people agree on. Here is some discussion from Brookings showing Hillary Clinton proposing to double the Child Tax Credit from $1000 to $2000. Sounds familiar, eh? It is misleading to act like this has anything to do with why people are against Trump's tax plan.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/10/13/clintons-child-tax-credit-proposal-a-good-start-on-helping-low-and-middle-income-families/

EDIT: A little more on this: Trump's tax plan also seeks to repeal the personal exemption which allows families to deduct around $4000 from their incomes, so many families are still making a net loss here.

-"Death Tax": By not explaining that the estate tax really only applies to a huge minority of top earners, it is a bit misleading as to what repealing the estate tax actually does. Being against the estate tax is pretty common when you think it will apply to you or that it may apply to you.

-Small Business: Again, this is misleading. I agree, it sounds good on paper. Lower taxes for small businesses. The problem comes when you start to look at the fact that 87% of households with business income already fall under that threshold. In reality, this does virtually nothing for actual "small businesses" and again really only helps out the top earners who aren't really what you think of when you think of "small businesses".

Poor show. At least if you are going to make a "gotcha" video, do it right.


The estate tax barely takes in more than it costs to administer the program. It causes family run businesses to suffer through taxes that corporations are immune to because it is owned by an individual instead of having a CEO. Many times family run farms have to sell off acreage every generation to pay for a tax that puts little to no money into the general fund due to high administration costs. Get rid of it, shrink government, and help people out. They earned that money let them give it to their kids.

Small businesses frequently have to pay more than large corporations due to their inability to shift around assets in a way that gives them tons of tax deductions. Really we need to get rid of the ability to shift stuff around to avoid taxes but that is a long fight through a lot of thick swamp.
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