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Post Reply Andromeda dev chalks up some of the game's problems to a lack of diversity
Posted 10/22/17 , edited 10/22/17
I don't comment much, but Manveer Heir was the interviewed dev. You might know him as the "white tears" guy. This guy is an actual racist and doesn't even try to be subtle. He has a deep rooted disdain of white people in general. If you are white your opinion does not matter to him and in fact he admits to removing twitter followers if too many of them are white and says you should "blame the dominance of your race". The worst part is that some of the higher ups in Bioware were aware and even supported what he said. Manveer gives them a "shout out" on his Twitter.
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Lack of talent and ability is his problem.

Not the pale penis people.

If you cannot do, virtue signal.

After all, it works for SJW's.
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Perhaps, but that crunch culture that let them rush an unfinished game out the door didn't help.
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That made me laugh far more than it should have. Thank you good sir.


Haha no worries, glad you got a laugh. It's all true though, i was ranting about it on face book and posting up the pics of the characters i was creating/trying to make look white.


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Have you ever played Bravely Default? That is the definition of Tedious and Repetitive!


Cant say that i have or that that rings a bell? I just did a quick google search and it looks like it got good ratings though.



Frighteningly enough, this is her improved AFTER the patch. She looked way worse before this. Her eyes were so dam lifeless.


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Perhaps, but that crunch culture that let them rush an unfinished game out the door didn't help.


Yup

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I never understood this either;


That really fed the whole suggestion that they purposely made most of the females unattractive, to appease to feminists.



lol
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Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


Well I think their zero tolerance court system also helps reduce crimes rates. People are less likely to commit crimes if they know that they are pretty much guarantees to end up being declared guilty in court.


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I don't comment much, but Manveer Heir was the interviewed dev. You might know him as the "white tears" guy. This guy is an actual racist and doesn't even try to be subtle. He has a deep rooted disdain of white people in general. If you are white your opinion does not matter to him and in fact he admits to removing twitter followers if too many of them are white and says you should "blame the dominance of your race". The worst part is that some of the higher ups in Bioware were aware and even supported what he said. Manveer gives them a "shout out" on his Twitter.


sadly people like this will never be punished because of this bullshit double standard culture that says you can't be racist against while people.

You can be sexist against white women but not racist.

So this guy can be as much of a racist ass as he wants but as long as it's against white guys he'll get a pass. Because since we're the majority we are expected to just deal with it.
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Rujikin wrote:
Then you have the lead developer who is a full on SJW


He apparently wanted to SJW so badly he destroyed an entire franchise and destroyed an entire bioware division


For someone who apparently values when people speak their mind, you sure get your panties in a bunch over some pretty tame comments...

PS: That guy was in charge of things like the camera and the controls, not the art or the story.
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https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/308054/Andromeda_dev_chalks_up_some_of_the_games_problems_to_a_lack_of_diversity.php

I'm not so sure about the lack of diversity caused problems for this game. It's like opening up old wounds when it comes to Mass Effect Andromeda

You can get this game for $11.73 on Amazon if you like.
https://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-Andromeda-Deluxe-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MTJ0TA9




It is like opening old wounds indeed. It's actually their attempt to be more diverse that created problems to begin with. They should just move on with this game. it's stupid to be political/SJW catering when you are providing products/service to the public

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-985411/racism-in-gaming-?pg=5#55904837

I'll still add this game to my collection..... when it's $5 or less.
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karatecowboy wrote:

Diversity actually hurts communities. Japan has some of the lowest crime rates in the world because it's so homogenous. Besides, the Heralds of Diversity don't actually want diversity of thought -- they're the most intolerant people ever when it comes to that. What they want is fewer whites and fewer males.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


I'd already read the comment before looking at the name and thought "this sounds like a familiar rant"


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@OP dulun18, this thread is poorly and irresponsibly titled. The dev talks about the game's real problems, *then* brings up BioWare's white leadership in response to this and only this criticism, an "SJW" criticism I'm sure never even crossed the minds of most players:
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/298890/Does_Mass_Effect_Andromeda_get_past_old_colonial_ideas_Not_quite.php

So now we have all these people thinking he was saying that the game's actual major issues could have been averted by diversity of some kind. Granted, they're also to blame for not... reading the article linked by the article you linked. Ain't nobody got time for that.


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Sigh, I don't give a fuck if there is a 1:1 ratio of male to female or there is just enough black people and asian people to "balance out" the white people.


Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

"Diversity" tassels won't save terrible games. It takes a hell of a lot more than a cliché, homogenous cast to sink a game as hard as Andromeda did.


X41822N wrote:

Andromeda's issues had nothing to do with the skin color of the devs.


Lance_Clemings wrote:

I don't mind diversity in my games or game companies. HOWEVER, I do mind if it feels forced.


MrAnimeSK wrote:

Pretty funny considering it was actually difficult to make a white looking character in the character customisation screen, and the game was often dubbed "Africa in space"
I found the game to be extremely diverse.


AnimeAddictANN69 wrote: It's actually their attempt to be more diverse that created problems to begin with. They should just move on with this game.
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The thing that ruffles my feathers the most about Manveer Heir is that he is living and working in Canada, one of the least racist places on Earth, and specifically Montreal, a very liberal city.
He is basically surrounded by people who are very receptive to equality and diversity, and he spews his hatred at them...

He is a good example of why I think racism is only going to get worse in coming years. Too much hatred towards white people is only going to increase division. Instead of "let's treat everyone the same", as it should be, we have "let's prop up minorities and put down whites".
So white people who were never racist to begin with get completely undeserved hatred under the pretense that they deserve it because "your race has been dominant for too long" or "your ancestors were racists".... it's all very sad.

Thankfully, it's only a minority of people who adopt this behavior, but just like trolls online, they tend to be the loudest.
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The thing that ruffles my feathers the most about Manveer Heir is that he is living and working in Canada, one of the least racist places on Earth, and specifically Montreal, a very liberal city.
He is basically surrounded by people who are very receptive to equality and diversity, and he spews his hatred at them...

He is a good example of why I think racism is only going to get worse in coming years. Too much hatred towards white people is only going to increase division. Instead of "let's treat everyone the same", as it should be, we have "let's prop up minorities and put down whites".
So white people who were never racist to begin with get completely undeserved hatred under the pretense that they deserve it because "your race has been dominant for too long" or "your ancestors were racists".... it's all very sad.

Thankfully, it's only a minority of people who adopt this behavior, but just like trolls online, they tend to be the loudest.


There is truth in this. I went from being a little racist (young and dumb and knew no better) to as far opposite as racist as you could possibly be (well i guess not in ALL aspects), but i went through a phase where i sort of was a bleeding heart, do gooder, white guilt sort of person.
I snapped right the fuck out of that shit.
If anything i have become more racist now, but i am actually FAR from a racist. I more so just think a lot more now about the current state and the future of the white race and feel whites should show more unity and pride and stand up for ourselves more, stop letting whats happening happen.
But i know from personal experience that the majority of us can all get along and that things such as the media, as a well as social media, people not ever mixing or mingling with different races and religions (this is why iam against religious schools and schools where its only for non whites or etc are bad), throw in political correctness (the over use of it), white guilt, the white anti whites, etc and this is causing division.

I got to go to very multi cultural schools and work in a very multi cultural environment and this is what we need if multi culturalism or "diversity" is ever going to actually work.

I guess in America you have black "ghettos" and white only neighbourhoods. You dont really have that here. Well there are Aboriginal communities in the rural areas. How can we get along if we remain separated?

Anyways going off topic and ranting but the over the top diversity in movies and video games just pisses people off. The anti white agenda that seems to exist makes non racist whites perhaps think racist thoughts.
Putting others before your own kind will always piss people off. No matter white race you are.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:



I'd already read the comment before looking at the name and thought "this sounds like a familiar rant"




Ummmmm.. consistency is a virtue?
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karatecowboy wrote:

Ummmmm.. consistency is a virtue?


That's a dumb statement. Consistency in and of itself is neither good nor bad. Certainly not a virtue.

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Going off topic a bit here.


MrAnimeSK wrote:

There is truth in this. I went from being a little racist (young and dumb and knew no better) to as far opposite as racist as you could possibly be (well i guess not in ALL aspects), but i went through a phase where i sort of was a bleeding heart, do gooder, white guilt sort of person.
I snapped right the fuck out of that shit.


There is a difference between feeling 'white guilt', and acknowledging that the colour of your skin may give you a certain advantage in life.


MrAnimeSK wrote:

If anything i have become more racist now, but i am actually FAR from a racist. I more so just think a lot more now about the current state and the future of the white race and feel whites should show more unity and pride and stand up for ourselves more, stop letting whats happening happen.


I'm sure you already know this, but the 'white race' is a recent phenomenon. I probably can find more in common with people of colour in Australia, than a American of European descent.


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I guess in America you have black "ghettos" and white only neighbourhoods. You dont really have that here. Well there are Aboriginal communities in the rural areas. How can we get along if we remain separated?


The history behind black "ghettos" is quite fascinating. There have been many policies over the last century that have made it harder for African Americans to buy property outside the usual areas.


MrAnimeSK wrote:

Anyways going off topic and ranting but the over the top diversity in movies and video games just pisses people off. The anti white agenda that seems to exist makes non racist whites perhaps think racist thoughts.
Putting others before your own kind will always piss people off. No matter white race you are.


While I understand national pride, I continue to be confounded with the idea that just because someone has the same skin colour as myself, I should get along with them. Just to be clear, I am not saying that I hold negative feeling for other white people.
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