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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
I know I already asked this in a previous thread, but I can't seem to get it off my back.

How come so many people talk a lot about Sword Art Online, but rarely enough about Log Horizon? What does SAO have that makes people want to talk more about it than Log Horizon?
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
Deen happened.

Personally I like Log Horizon far more than SAO. I do like them both for different reasons though.

SAO just blew up for some reason. Log Horizon was never really marketed to the extent that SAO was. They didn't put as much development or money into it either. Plus people like to self-insert into Kirito. Whereas Shiroe is your less than typical MC. He's not a fighter. And he doesn't fit a mold that many people could or would envision themselves in.

Then there is also the "romance" and love and relationships sub-plots of SAO, whereas Log Horizon doesn't give as much emphasis into that plot point.

Log Horizon is more about world building, day to day life in the world, and characterization..

SAO is more summer popcorn, turn your brain off show. Not that that is bad, just easier to get into and digest for anyone..

Then SAO is also produced by the juggernaut of A-1 that has SONY monies, whereas S1 of Log Horizon was done by Satelight and S2 by Deen... ugh

I could go on and on and on comparing the two personally, but I think this simply analysis kind of sums it up.

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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
SAO was probably more easy for young peopke to identify with, while Log Horizon was all machinations and dream eaters.
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17

Yamstarch wrote:

Deen happened.

Personally I like Log Horizon far more than SAO. I do like them both for different reasons though.

SAO just blew up for some reason. Log Horizon was never really marketed to the extent that SAO was. They didn't put as much development or money into it either. Plus people like to self-insert into Kirito. Whereas Shiroe is your less than typical MC. He's not a fighter. And he doesn't fit a mold that many people could or would envision themselves in.

Then there is also the "romance" and love and relationships sub-plots of SAO, whereas Log Horizon doesn't give as much emphasis into that plot point.

Log Horizon is more about world building, day to day life in the world, and characterization..

SAO is more summer popcorn, turn your brain off show. Not that that is bad, just easier to get into and digest for anyone..

Then SAO is also produced by the juggernaut of A-1 that has SONY monies, whereas S1 of Log Horizon was done by Satelight and S2 by Deen... ugh

I could go on and on and on comparing the two personally, but I think this simply analysis kind of sums it up.

TL;DR

Deenamation


What's so bad about Deen? How can Deen detract from your experience in watching Log Horizon?
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
Log horizon is boring because all they do is talk. I was so bored and annoyed that I actually got up and yelled "Shut the f*ck up!" outside my window. That was when I knew Log Horizon was not for me, or the people.
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
SAO targeted the key shounen demographic with a pretty strong first episode that hinted at an edgy deathgame type scenario. Similar to why Attack on Titan was super popular. The right amount of cheese and edge aimed at a teen demographic.

Log Horizon was aimed at a slightly older demographic, with less sakuga action scenes, less immediately at stake, and a slowly building plot whose main hook was only vaguely defined in the first episode.

Adding to SAO's big audience grab was how famously bad it turned out to be. Shitting on SAO was an easy grab for audience views for youtubers and bloggers. A famously bad series will get talked about more than an okay series that never drew the same audience size.
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
Appearance and initial appeal. (And probably budget, SAO had one, Hog Horizon not so much)

SAO looked great, had high quality animation, had an interesting premise and the first 3 episodes were exciting and kicked ass (even if the rest of the series went down the plug hole soon after).

That was enough to grab and hold onto an audience which grew as word of mouth spread.

Log Horizon looked cheap, had 1/2 assed animation, had a much better story and plot and was the better anime, but my god parts of it were so BORING!.

It did not have the "3 episode hook" needed to grab attention away from SAO and did not as a result.

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My opinion is that SAO is a more realistic scenario as to in how they took place. Where as Log Horizon is more of a fantasy scenario. What I am getting at is that in SAO the people are in a VR world where their bodies are in a coma like state. In Log Horizon, the people are either transported into this world or the world is transformed into this new environment. I know this may not play a big part for most viewers but it was something that influenced my opinion.

I thought they were both good but there were differences as others have mentioned. It does all come down to story line and preferences of each viewer. Personally, I like the SAO S1 story line. I was a bit disappointed in S2. It seemed a bit dragged on and lost its appeal.

Log Horizon was different, it was good in my opinion but for my preferences it was not enough of a romance story line. It was also a little hard to understand what happened. As I mentioned earlier, did they get transported to a different reality or did the world change into that reality.

That's my opinion.
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
I have seen both SAO and Log Horizon and i personally feel Log Horizon is far better than SAO. The reason for the the difference in popularity may be due to the fact that SAO is appealing to most or all age categories compared to Log Horizon which is a bit more mature. SAO is kind of strategy based anime with of course great action to go along with it. But on the other hand, SAO is mostly just action.

SAO almost has no story to it. It starts off and then straight away goes into action which most of the short anime series lovers like.They don't have to wait for what the next season to see how it ends because the first season gives them all. There's also the romance aspect to it which makes it a bit more appealing. Since the anime has action, adventure, romance, and fantasy genres, it can be watched by a variety of people. What i mean is people who like only action will watch this anime as its packed with action scenes. On the other hand people who like to watch only romance anime can also watch this as it does have a bit of that. The second season of the anime did not pack the same punch that the first season did. I feel like many of the anime fans like the series due to its first season and not the second, but the die hard fans don't think so.

As for Log Horizon, the anime starts off slow with a great story and character development which is essential if you plan to do future seasons. And unlike SAO, it has almost no romance o it. It only has the genres of action, adventure, fantasy, and magic. Due to a fewer variety and genres, it is not watched by a more distinguished population. For example, since the anime lacks romance, the people who only watch romance or those who like action romance type of anime, do not get into it. Also, the anime is a bit more mature and emphasizes more on the story and character development which i personally like. It's not a series that you'll want to watch because you have time and want to get a quick dose of entertainment. This further decreases a section of the population who'll not be watching it due to that reason. Also, the anime series did not fail to live up to its fans expectations in its sequel. Both seasons were equally enjoyable. Summing up what i said, a more mature anime, with almost no romance, cannot cover a lot of the population that SAO does.

The popularity of an anime series is dependent on what kind of population will it be able to please. This is where Log Horizon loses the game. SAO is appealing to bot mature and younger population whereas Log Horizon is mostly for the mature. The romance genre just adds to the SAO's popularity. I'm pretty sure if anime lovers give Log Horizon a try, they'll definitely be up for a surprise because those who have, love it. This is proven by the fact that Log Horizon has a better rating that SAO. Both SAO and Log Horizon were great anime shows but personally i liked Log Horizon way more than SAO. With the above comments you'll know just why.

I wrote more than i expected but, that's my opinion.

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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17
Simply put, SAO is far more popular. While it's debatable which show is better when it comes to substance (personally, I think Log Horizon because it maintains its focus on the big picture whereas with SAO it changes and becomes less consequential), there's no question that SAO is better in style as it is animated by some of the best in the business at A-1, while Reki Kawahara is a popular guy. On the other hand, Log Horizon was done by a B-level studio, and then the second season was done at a different studio in Deen, who dropped the ball with the animation (although they are capable of doing great things, but they are more of a boom or bust studio), all while Mamare Touno fell off the map when he got into legal trouble. So yeah, it's a matter of profile as SAO has a lot of that.
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Posted 10/26/17 , edited 10/26/17

Commander_PonyShep wrote:

What's so bad about Deen? How can Deen detract from your experience in watching Log Horizon?


They had questionable animation and the direction was worse. For example, they knew people liked Shiroe's glasses push and glowing glasses of doom, but they didn't seem to understand why. They just threw the glasses push in all willynilly, so it lost its impact.
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Posted 10/27/17 , edited 10/27/17
So let me get this out of the way for a moment.

Sword Art Online is simpler to grasp and more accessible, due to its emphasis on action and romance. Log Horizon, on the other hand, kept the action and romance to a bare minimum, in order to focus more on story, characters, and accurately representing the overall MMORPG experience. And, it's due to those factors, SAO ended up becoming more popular than LH. Right?

To me, that's essentially like Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers defeating Gundam Wing, due to the former being more accessible and easier to digest for a mainstream audience (to the point of getting a Red Ranger balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade), versus the latter being more complicated and inaccessible except to the most hardcore otaku.
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The Blu-ray complete series have arrived, I figure about 21 hours of rewatching, to check out the dub.

Anyone else pick these up?
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Posted 12/6/17 , edited 12/7/17

yagabu1 wrote:

My opinion is that SAO is a more realistic scenario as to in how they took place. Where as Log Horizon is more of a fantasy scenario. What I am getting at is that in SAO the people are in a VR world where their bodies are in a coma like state. In Log Horizon, the people are either transported into this world or the world is transformed into this new environment. I know this may not play a big part for most viewers but it was something that influenced my opinion.

I thought they were both good but there were differences as others have mentioned. It does all come down to story line and preferences of each viewer. Personally, I like the SAO S1 story line. I was a bit disappointed in S2. It seemed a bit dragged on and lost its appeal.

Log Horizon was different, it was good in my opinion but for my preferences it was not enough of a romance story line. It was also a little hard to understand what happened. As I mentioned earlier, did they get transported to a different reality or did the world change into that reality.

That's my opinion.


Had the same option there was also the fact that Log Horizon came into the VR area later than SOA but the time Log Horizon started airing SOA had built a fan base who love it or hated it.
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