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Post Reply 40% of All Food is Watsed in America, And Only 10% is from the Consumers
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Posted 10/28/17 , edited 10/29/17
I was in my Environmental Management class and my teacher played this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TDfjbpSBE
Apparently almost half of all food here is wasted, but it's not because of the consumers who buy too much food and throw what they don't eat away, no that's only about 10%. A whopping 3 times more than that is wasted and thrown away before it even gets to the stores!

These producers throw away 100% perfectly healthy, edible, delicious fruits and vegetables because of problems like they don't look right, it's cheaper to throw them away, people won't buy a yellow cauliflower(even though I would buy all of that)

Watching this video got me extremely angry, so warning to some people, however I think this is a must watch, and I think people should try to spread the word, I'm very interested to see what some of you think about this.
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Posted 10/28/17 , edited 10/29/17
Unfortunately this has been a reality for quite a few years, it takes something like the current fires in California to happen for less food waste. However as long as there is pricing insurance in place these crops will continue to be tossed. A program like France has implemented (laws as well) where disposing of edible food is against the law is what America needs....also ugly vegetables taste great too!
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Economics in action. The video was supposed to make you angry.
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Craol wrote:

Unfortunately this has been a reality for quite a few years, it takes something like the current fires in California to happen for less food waste. However as long as there is pricing insurance in place these crops will continue to be tossed. A program like France has implemented (laws as well) where disposing of edible food is against the law is what America needs....also ugly vegetables taste great too!


Oh I've been aware of the food waste problem, and the 40% number wasn't a surprise at first either. I was just caught off guard when I learned that 30% is wasted BEFORE it ever even reaches the consumers. I did not know that. I know that Industrialized agriculture has many many a flaws, we're learning more about this stuff in that class everyday.

This though, this really made me feel, made me want to spread the word and made me really want to take action. Thank god I'm moving to Japan next year though, I need a break from the States.
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This topic represent a potential new area of opportunity in solving a certain problem in society. Here we recognize that there is an efficiency issue with the food production matching the consumption ratio just by looking at food that are thrown away. And the stuff that is thrown away is due to "non-marketability" - it looks ugly or doesn't look right e.g. mutated looking carrot. It would be nice if we don't waste food, considering if you lived thru the great famine era you'll have a great appreciation for food, or maybe you're just like me, and just like efficiency.

Lets take a closer look at the problem at some different angles:
Distributors - nicer looking fruits and veggies sells better, others takes up space and time - which cost reputation, money and decrease profit. Hence standards were defined and let the farmer sort it out.
Farmers - Stuck with rejects that doesn't meet the standard - its a lot. Cost money for the labor force to manage, sort, or transport these rejects. So the least cost would to toss em out. Minus some that goes to cattle feeds,fertilizer, etc.

Yes the most of the decision is economic in nature.

Lets brain storm the picture of the solution a bit.
You would need a whole system (maybe a business - that is self sustaining) that can collect, store, management, transport, and disposed usable and un-usable food (unfortunately even premium goes bad with time). That cost money.
So you don't just want a system or business that is inefficient either if you are trying to solve an efficiency problem of another type.
But if these ugly food gets back in to the market, it may diffuse the price of the premium products which is a conflict of interest for the farmers and distributors. Its not a win-win situation. Don't get me wrong, the farmers work pretty hard for the producing the food.
So I can see that food banks is a reasonable solution given that they are efficient. The distribution channels can go to the poor and homeless, and maybe other if i let something out (elderly like myself ahem.. .

Final thoughts...If we can improve the sustainability, storage, management, transport or distribuition/disposal of the food bank system..i think that might be the answer.
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konjfful wrote:

This though, this really made me feel, made me want to spread the word and made me really want to take action. Thank god I'm moving to Japan next year though, I need a break from the States.


Its not much better in Japan. My friends parents run a farm in Japan and they will literally throw away carrots and even Daikon for being too long or too short. i dont remember the measurements they have to fulfill but the idea is all produce is uniform. Fortunately they take the unsalable produce and either eat it themselves, sell them at farmers market or sell them to goat/pig farm for feed. I cant quote what % they toss but when I was there it was almost heartbreaking seeing 4 palled skids at the end of one day labeled "waste."
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if you try to collect the food, make sure its food-safe, and then resell it.It's going to be more expensive and isn't a solution at all. it'd just get culled in a store anyway. giving it away to the hungry is but that has to be government sponsored. it's way cheaper to deem it as waste.

waste in this case being, fed to cattle, left in the field, etc. yes its not being eaten by humans, but its certainly cycling through the industry
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I imagine the solution will be intrastellar travel, as space is the solution to all problems in the end.

That and destroying third world economies by dumping "free" product on them.
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Posted 10/29/17 , edited 10/29/17
Well, not all food is going to be edible, so some of it is wasted and returned to the Earth in the form of compost. While that's quite an ugly truth there, unfortunately that's reality.
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gornotck wrote:

I imagine the solution will be intrastellar travel, as space is the solution to all problems in the end.

That and destroying third world economies by dumping "free" product on them.


Huh?
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gornotck wrote:

I imagine the solution will be intrastellar travel, as space is the solution to all problems in the end.

That and destroying third world economies by dumping "free" product on them.


Huh?


For space, it is a three step solution: establish a distant human occupation forces of maybe 100,000 or so, overcome minor engineering difficulties, profit.

For thord world countries, you just give them all this unsalable produce in such a way as they stop growing their own and cannot sell stuff. Then you make them a colony.
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there is a lot of fields here. a good 10% - 25% just rots in the field.
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Bakaneer wrote:

Well, not all food is going to be edible, so some of it is wasted and returned to the Earth in the form of compost. While that's quite an ugly truth there, unfortunately that's reality.


The food is completely edible though, all the food they're throwing away is perfectly fine to eat, perfectly healthy, has no problems other than it doesn't meet size or color standards that "The Average American" wouldn't buy. And "The Average American" is also almost 30 pounds overweight, and does not meet a lot of health standards that are concerning to me.
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gornotck wrote:


DevinKuska wrote:


gornotck wrote:

I imagine the solution will be intrastellar travel, as space is the solution to all problems in the end.

That and destroying third world economies by dumping "free" product on them.


Huh?


For space, it is a three step solution: establish a distant human occupation forces of maybe 100,000 or so, overcome minor engineering difficulties, profit.

For thord world countries, you just give them all this unsalable produce in such a way as they stop growing their own and cannot sell stuff. Then you make them a colony.


Lol
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Posted 10/29/17 , edited 10/29/17
It's not being wasted. It's going to feed all those rats, roaches, and microorganisms that feed on rotting food who would otherwise starve.
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