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Do you design a product for the sole purpose of making money or do you design it because it benefits the consumer?
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Both are exactly the same question, so I am unsure what you want to know.
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gornotck wrote:

Both are exactly the same question, so I am unsure what you want to know.


I see, I guess Lelouch didn't get stabbed for nothing
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No, Lelouch got stabbed to move the plot forward.
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if you depend on your customers, your product should benefit them in some way, otherwise they won't buy it and you won't get any money and probably will have to close your company.
if you have a monopoly and the customers have no other way of getting the product you can focus on the money more and jack up the price almost as much as you want (e.g. specialized pharmaceutical products).

But it depends on the product also. Some "products" are distributed cost-free and people only make them to help others or pass their own time (such as blogs, some how-to tutorials, free online university lectures, little children who make presents for their friends etc). These are primarily designed to benefit the "customer" if you want to call it that.

Let's just be happy that in the case of anime we often get good products for not too much money
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Secret-of-Terra wrote:

if you depend on your customers, your product should benefit them in some way, otherwise they won't buy it and you won't get any money and probably will have to close your company.
if you have a monopoly and the customers have no other way of getting the product you can focus on the money more and jack up the price almost as much as you want (e.g. specialized pharmaceutical products).

But it depends on the product also. Some "products" are distributed cost-free and people only make them to help others or pass their own time (such as blogs, some how-to tutorials, free online university lectures, little children who make presents for their friends etc). These are primarily designed to benefit the "customer" if you want to call it that.

Let's just be happy that in the case of anime we often get good products for not too much money


I know, some products are just bad though
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fredreload wrote:

Do you design a product for the sole purpose of making money or do you design it because it benefits the consumer?


Funnily, it's both. You develop a product with as many benefits to the consumer while lowering the cost of the production.
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robotechy wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Do you design a product for the sole purpose of making money or do you design it because it benefits the consumer?


Funnily, it's both. You develop a product with as many benefits to the consumer while lowering the cost of the production.


Ya, secret-of-terra is right about monopolies
Posted 10/30/17 , edited 10/30/17
Gornotck has made the argument that they are one and the same but I believe they aren't necessarily the same. You could design a product that a customer desires but still causes them harm. You could argue that benefit is synonymous with the customer's consent and because the customers wants it, it is of benefit to the customer but I myself would never define benefit/harm in such terms.

Again you could argue that a product would require a benefit to the customer in order to sell which probably is pragmatically true but in terms of net benefit/harm (Which is how I interpreted Fred's question), I'd argue that you could create a product that has an overall net harm and that sells. In fact, one already exists, the cigarette.

To answer the question that I believe that you intended to ask, I would like to believe I would create a product that would by my moral standards be ethical rather than achieving my own materialistic pursuits.
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GrandMasterTime wrote:

Gornotck has made the argument that they are one and the same but I believe they aren't necessarily the same. You could design a product that a customer desires but still causes them harm. You could argue that benefit is synonymous with the customer's consent and because the customers wants it, it is of benefit to the customer but I myself would never define benefit/harm in such terms.

Again you could argue that a product would require a benefit to the customer in order to sell which probably is pragmatically true but in terms of net benefit/harm (Which is how I interpreted Fred's question), I'd argue that you could create a product that has an overall net harm and that sells. In fact, one already exists, the cigarette.

To answer the question that I believe that you intended to ask, I would like to believe I would create a product that would by my moral standards be ethical rather than achieving my own materialistic pursuits.


I've purchased a copy of windows 10 professional that came with the computer. This operating system crashes to no end. I understand windows 10 home could crash, but professional? It should be reinforced. I reinstalled it, set it to slow and fast ring as a test agent in hope that I can get a Redstone package to fix the problem. No that never did happen. I play Black Desert, the game crashes when I leave it there for a while due to texture problem. When it runs perfectly on Windows 7 for a few days until I turn the computer off. I played DOOM, and it does not crash as much as I was able to finish the game. I connect on internet, it crashes when someone attempts to hack the computer. I've seen green screen, blue screen, and even white screen. Earlier this week I bought Wolfenstein The Colossus and again it crashes with a green screen, IRQL less than or equal to. So I thought, ya it's about time to change the operating system. Windows 7 would have worked well, but no they had to implement a buggy Windows 10. Now all I need is a serial key, Microsoft did a good job letting us download Windows 7 ISO. But no, there isn't a place where I can purchase a valid serial key. Instead I had to buy a whole package of windows 7 Professional, comes with the CD installer, for 150 dollars. Now I'm broke
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Posted 10/30/17 , edited 10/30/17

fredreload wrote:

Do you design a product for the sole purpose of making money or do you design it because it benefits the consumer?


Strictly for the consumer. Money is not even on my radar when I make something.
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Am I the only one with a win10 installation that doesn't crash? It certainly seems that way.
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The entire reason I work at all is to make money, so I can support my current and future lifestyle. Whether what I am working on is for money or the customers (or the balance between the two) is largely decided by my employer. However, my advice for my employer, which is usually taken seriously, is typically skewed towards the customer, whether internal (coworkers), external, or both.
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I design a product for benefit of the consumer. Because if my design came back with customer complaints I don't think I'll be able to make money anymore.
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I'd like to think it's possible to do both.
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