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Posted 11/24/17 , edited 11/25/17
bad start... i think for spanish are bad starts but thats only my opinion
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Schwarzes' Spanish, Portuguese and French videos are missing the quality buttons. That and they won't start.
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Posted 11/25/17 , edited 11/25/17
awesome ! Need more French dub !
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Posted 11/25/17 , edited 11/26/17

Erebus25 wrote:

Keep them, get more subbed anime :D



Exactly what I was thinking. CR needs to get more subbed anime instead. Only dubbed anime I'll take over subbed is Black Clover (just because of Asta's VA)
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Posted 11/27/17 , edited 11/27/17
Good news for French people but I will always prefer subbed anime than dubbed, even if it's in english - make me work both languages this way
Japanese voices match perfectly with anime (most of the time) and it's difficult to do the same thing in french but it's just my opinion.

I'll prefer having access to more subbed anime and not being block by licence (so I understnad the reason they're exist) - there's so much anime we can watch on account of licence...So frustating sometimes



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Posted 11/30/17 , edited 11/30/17
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Posted 11/30/17 , edited 11/30/17
Anti-dub sentiment has been a well-known facet of the western fan community for decades. A handful of comments saying "I don't want dubs," "everything should be experienced in its original language" aren't going to affect anything.


ayan528 wrote:


Erebus25 wrote:

Keep them, get more subbed anime :D


Exactly what I was thinking. CR needs to get more subbed anime instead. Only dubbed anime I'll take over subbed is Black Clover (just because of Asta's VA)


There were some fascinating posts about how the system actually works on pages 2 and 3 of this thread, here they are:


agila61 wrote:

And if the money is spent on dub when it could be on acquiring more "Japanese dubbed" anime then I think it's a waste in a way, especially if the shows are already available. I don't know the actual prices of course.

I don't understand this sentence. It sounds like you think that there is some hidden pile of money that Crunchyroll uses to "buy" rights, so "picking" one series means it isn't "picking" another one.

Series are (by and large) self-funding. Crunchyroll basically picks up everything that is offered to them at a workable Minimum Guarantee, and getting offered these series is not going to "reduce" the number of subs on Crunchyroll by a single show.



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Well yeah, that's sound logical. You have a limited amount of money which you could use to buy licences for the show and what you don't spend on one you can on the other.

Your explanation could've worked like a year ago when there was no one else in play, now when they have to compete with other streaming services, I don't think it stands.

The explanation is still valid. For it to be invalid, CR would have to be paying more for titles than they could hope to recoup, which is a losing proposition. Services that are trying to expand can often use that strategy, although thus far it hasn't proved successfully in the long run. (That said, those services didn't have the deep pockets of Amazon or Netflix, or the established subscriber base of the latter).

Your argument also assumes that simply overspending to acquire titles would bring in as many or more users as providing dubs in native language.



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So licences aren't really sold, they are "lent" to the distributor for a percentage and they pay themselves off?

Typically a minimum guarantee is involved, and if the number of views exceed that, then a royalty system would come into play. As such, there is normally a specific amount of money that is paid up front. That is where the "bidding" normally comes into play. If a licensor sets up a contract that has a minimum guarantee based on a 150,000 views, they don't have to refund any of that money if the licensee only gets half that number. That doesn't stop a licensor from asking for a larger MG than they expect the licensee would ever exceed, or the licensee from offering it in order to grab a title from a competitor (which would effectively be overbidding).

I wouldn't be surprised if these days most titles never garner the views to match their minimum guarantee, but without delving into the secret internal accounting of businesses, we may never know for certain.


A service could afford to make no money or even lose a bit on a "tentpole" title or two each season, as long as they make it up on those that are less popular, but simply paying whatever is necessary to acquire every popular title (some of which won't live up to expectations), is a surefire way to lose money.

Even with Amazon and Netflix, which could afford to lose money on anime for quite a while, the day will come when those operations have to show a contribution to the bottom line or they will be cut. For less well funded operations, it had typically been about 9 months before they either ceased operations or largely faded as a competitive threat. I would expect Amazon and Netflix to stick with it for at least 2-3 years, even if their anime operations are losing money the entire time.



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Well yeah, that's sound logical. You have a limited amount of money which you could use to buy licences for the show and what you don't spend on one you can on the other.

Ulimately, what Crunchyroll is bidding is a share in their revenues. Half of Crunchyroll subscriptions go to royalties. If a subscriber watches 20 episodes in a month 1/40th of their subscription goes to each episode.

So if you license to Crunchyroll, you basically get a share of their subscriber revenue.

Now, Crunchyroll gives a minimum guarantee, as any licensor would be expected to, so if the revenue share doesn't cover the minimum guarantee, that'll have to be paid out of Crunchyroll's share, and ultimately out of Crunchyroll's profits . But if Crunchyroll was seriously over-paying their MG on a regular basis, they wouldn't be profitable. Since they hit profitability in the year and a half after they went legit in 2009, we can be pretty confident they don't regularly overbid their MG in a serious way.


Your explanation could've worked like a year ago when there was no one else in play, now when they have to compete with other streaming services, I don't think it stands.

My explanation is the same way it was four years ago, when there was active competition between Crunchyroll & Funimation for streaming rights. It's why Crunchyroll have never had to "pick and choose", but instead has always put in an offer on everything being broadcast in Japan, every season. What competition does is change the number of series for which the best offer Crunchyroll can afford to make is the winning bid.

It's also why it's been commonplace for some of Crunchyroll's biggest series to be sub-licensed rather the licensed directly ... because the North American licensor wants to tap into that share of Crunchyroll's subscriber revenue. So Aniplex of America, NIS of America, Toei's American division, and, at one time, Sentai, have regularly provided a large share of Crunchyroll's hits ... with Sentai now being replaced by Crunchyroll handling the subs for Funimation's simuldubs.



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Posted 11/30/17 , edited 12/1/17
Very intriguing. Thank you for sharing this information!!
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Posted 11/30/17 , edited 12/1/17
Cheers The Wisdom of the Sages must be passed on.
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Posted 12/3/17 , edited 12/3/17
I speak English & Spanish. So, if CR streams spanish dubbed anime that I haven't seen or not available in the library for whatever reason (English subbed), it would be great!
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Posted 12/7/17 , edited 12/7/17
Please put subs on the other language dubs! Was hoping to use spanish dubs to help me learn spanish!
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Posted 12/30/17 , edited 12/31/17

SHSZ1989 wrote:

Schwarzes' Spanish, Portuguese and French videos are missing the quality buttons. That and they won't start.


Thanks for the fix.
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Posted 3/11/18 , edited 3/11/18
Isn't this sort of thing what Funi is for? And if they are to clutter up the site could they be labelled rather than just running them numerically one version after another.
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Posted 3/13/18 , edited 3/13/18
Nice to know this is the start of a good subs animes
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Posted 9/21/18 , edited 9/21/18
Its good and all but can you PLEASE separate them from actual new episodes. For example, i always try to click updated versions of an anime but most of the time its the international version of an old anime episode. Is there a way to separate international version to ACTUAL new episodes. Can you just PLEASE separate them than categorize them on the updated version of an anime, even though they are old but they are just international dubbed/subbed.

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