Post Reply Why do the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy movies succeed where the Expendables fail?
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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17
When you look at all three movie franchises, they revolve around an overall ensemble cast. So what separates good ensemble movies like The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy, from bad ones like The Expendables?
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I question your definition of "success".

One, the only movie Sean Connery has ever mentioned regretting, often mistaken for a movie based on a bunch of no-name superheroes from Marvel's C-string list. The other, a terrible movie with a talentless cast, poorly written script, and irritating characters. You compare these travesties to the last gasp of the action heroes of the aging children of the "baby boomers", the sex idols of those same "baby boomers".

What makes one a "success" and the other a "failure"? Marketing. Nothing more than advertisements.
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The draw to expendables is nostalgia. Getting to see all the favorites gen x and y grew up with. Expendables is not a failure by any standards. It simply not a juggernaut like Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy. Expendables simply does not bring anything new to the table. And with out truly new your market i.e. nostalgia is limited.

Marvel movies have extensive world building prior to there releases. You could argue GOTG had the least but it is part of an established universe with a certain level of ground world already provided. Second would be character building. Each member got time and attention. Each of the motivations got some time and attention and relevance to the story. A better comparison would be Suicide Squad and Justice League. DC skipped the world building. Lex is always rich but he is one man. Joker is joker. Suicide Squad introduced new actors with interesting backstories you wanted to get to know. JL on the other hand benefited from Wonder Women's movie establishing her back story but nothing for Auqaman or Flash till future movies. Flash as designed in this series can not carry a movie by himself. Cyborg story could have been its own movie but it was wasted by being blended into JL. Suicide Squad did the best and had the lowest expectations. What really held it back was the quality of the story telling. Everyone joked about superman CG lip. The reason for it was there was zero usable dialog between Clark and any to even try to tell a story.

And that in a nut shell is why ensemble movies fail.

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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17
The Expendables is more popular among the older crowd from what I can tell, those who either grew up or into said folks. not to mention some of the younger folks might not even know who these people are. if they can't figure out VCR, cassette tapes and so forth... but it also had a war like feel to it, vigilante movies or films where it's extreme action. as for the others, it appears fantasy is more important, could video game play be a part of this? you can do more with fantasy and it appears better to the younger crowd. and I've noticed one solid thing about the younger crowd, most don't have a solid attention span. they can't hold it together, so directors have to struggle with this handicap. since theaters allow cell phones, then they have to thing and modify with flashy colors, pastels, love, romance, shooting... if not, you do the same thing with something serious and you get rejection. Blade Runner, Star Wars... however the idiotic pirate movie franchise is doing great. on another idea, perhaps comedy and stupidity is what people are into at the moment. I prefer serious, intense... not comedy and stupidity. and romance doesn't appeal to me either. so they'll keep rolling out all aspects of things and see what sticks.
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