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Posted 1/10/18 , edited 1/11/18
The amount of female protagonists don't come close to the amount of male protagonists. This reminds me of a study. Men would say a conversation with a female is 'balanced' when she talked 15% of the time. That she 'dominated' when she talked 30%. This is exactly the same. I understand your need for escapism, but this sounds more of a cry of 'Why isn't everything tailored for me and my gender?!"
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Hello Crunchyroll peeps,

First, I have been subscribed to Crunchyroll since 2014, so I've had my share in many anime shows. I've noticed a trend lately and a certain direction that anime as a whole is taking. Let me elaborate.....

(Let me just establish that this is my opinion. People have their own tastes and selection in anime, so I am all for that. I mean no ill-will or offense to people who like certain anime).

So, I've usually avoided shows that had mainly female characters or female protagonists simply because I don't relate to the opposite sex. There seems to be an override of anime series containing female protagonists. I don't think there's anything wrong with that nor does being a male or female make the story better or worse. I'll be a little sarcastic so spare me. I don't have periods, I don't have female genitals, I don't like men, etc. I'd rather have a male protagonist, since I am obviously the same sex, and I can relate to "him" on a personal level. I definitely think that genders have some different struggles/emotional cycles/thought processes. I prefer shows that have both genders too. Anyways.....

Hopefully I don't get my arse kicked too hard on the internet for bringing this up, but I just thought I should share my observation. So....Are male protagonist shows extinct?

Thanks for reading!

- Tim

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Devil Man: Crybaby

Rakugo Shinjuu

Kekkai Sensen

Hero Academia

Jojo's

Konsuba

Re:Zero

Overlord

Bakemonogatari

Barakamon

Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash

Arslen Senaki

Space Battleship Yamato 2199

Drifters

Noragami

Baby Steps

Castlevania

Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works

Haikyuu

To name a couple recent ones.


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Posted 1/10/18 , edited 1/11/18

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xxJing wrote:

I thought I was pretty clear, you must have just skimmed over my post.

I never said you can't sympathize with a female character. I simply said that it's hard for a straight male to project themselves on to a female character for the purposes of escapism.

Also you seem to not understand the concept of escapism. Escapism is feeling as if you yourself are part of the fictional world. Many people play video games to 'escape' from reality, it's the reason quite a few video games have silent protagonists / character creation.

So while you can watch CCS and sympathize with Sakura. Unless you fantasize about being a 10 year old girl, you aren't watching CCS for the purposes of escapism. People, especially men with mundane real lives, watch shows like SAO, Infinite Stratos, Log Horizon, Overlord, Smartphone, etc... so that they can feel like THEY are part of that story, like THEY have been thrown into a world of magic and adventure and have a bunch of hot chicks clamoring for them.




I guess you're right. I just don't "get" escapism. And upon retrospect, it's very much not a reason why I watch anime. The confusion seems to be that the OP is complaining about not enough male characters, which I feel is definitely wrong, and have listed many that have male leads, (which you have also listed a few). In context of the subject at hand it seemed you were in agreement that there are less male leads.

What I think is going on is that the OP is looking for your aforementioned escapism, and a very particular sort, which he's finding lacking. (even within the field of fantasy there are still a plethora of male leads. Just not his style). Of this, I can concede because it's a matter of taste and viewing choice, not actual lack.

If you want to argue that anime is solely about escapism, I still hold to my point that anime is a medium, not a genre as many people seem to have the misconception about, (and the industry's choice to jump on ever passing fad and clone the ever loving hell out of it would make it seem).

There's still no real lack unless what's really being said is "I can't find anything I wish to watch", to which nobody can help.


My point was more that there is a certain genre of anime, a rather popular one, that relies on the protagonist being a male. And not just on the protagonist being a male, but also being as neutral of a character as possible without breaking the story.

That said, there are a few female characters I have been able to self-insert into. One is Maki from Air Master. Maki is about as gender neutral of a character you can find, she's extremely stoic. Another is Ange from Cross Ange. Ange is extremely bad ass, but without the whole girl power thing. She has some very real personality flaws. The last would be Elle Ragu from Shadow Skill, for similar reasons to those listed above. In fact, one thing I love about anime is that it can create female protagonists that don't make me feel alienated. American shows almost always have a 'girl power!' thing to them.


...why exactly does empowering women make you feel alienated...
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Posted 1/11/18 , edited 1/11/18

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The amount of female protagonists don't come close to the amount of male protagonists. This reminds me of a study. Men would say a conversation with a female is 'balanced' when she talked 15% of the time. That she 'dominated' when she talked 30%. This is exactly the same. I understand your need for escapism, but this sounds more of a cry of 'Why isn't everything tailored for me and my gender?!"


Hey ifired,

Someone explained earlier, but apparently there is always an increase in the number of female shows in the Winter simulcasts. I never noticed that.

I think you make a great point, and the study you speak of is very interesting. I think this has nothing to do with that, and the question you ask at the end is not at all what I am figuratively asking. I understand gender is a very touchy subject, and I do apologize if my wording was improper and misunderstood. If you would please read my replies to other people, you will find what I discussed with others. I also admitted fault for having assumptions about the shows, and I will also be watching said shows.

Again, I am not singling out or attacking any genders here, nor am I wanting a specific kind of show with a specific gender. I've never put thought into escapism either, but my selection of shows has everything to do with the story. There are so many shows with male leads that are so terribly written, and the character's personality is typical and bland. I have also watched series with female characters only, and I didn't like them for how sexual they were. It took away from the potential of the story.

P.S. My favorite show is "March Comes in Like a Lion." I am absorbed in the story. It's very emotionally driven, and I think all of the characters are motley and unique. The scenes and the transitions are smooth, anomalous, and fluent for the viewer. It's just incredibly well done.

- Tim
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Posted 1/13/18 , edited 1/13/18

xxJing

That said, there are a few female characters I have been able to self-insert into.



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Posted 1/13/18 , edited 1/14/18

ifired wrote:

The amount of female protagonists don't come close to the amount of male protagonists. This reminds me of a study. Men would say a conversation with a female is 'balanced' when she talked 15% of the time. That she 'dominated' when she talked 30%. This is exactly the same. I understand your need for escapism, but this sounds more of a cry of 'Why isn't everything tailored for me and my gender?!"


This reminds me of that one study where they came to the conclusion that 90% of all studies quoted on the internet end up being bs.
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Posted 1/13/18 , edited 1/14/18
Yes. All protagonists, regardless of form, are now female. All harem anime is about several women trying to hook up with an incredibly dense woman. It follows for all general animations.
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