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get in line!!! if you want to come to the US the LEGAL way ?.. it will be years!!!

This is why for people who are waiting for their turns (already filed all the paperwork/went through all the interviews) and yet keep having to wait and wait while others who came later can just cutting in line

illegals have more rights than legal immigrants in some situations.
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At the end of the day, it is better to bring in educated and skilled immigrants to your country.
Bringing in people who are uneducated and have no skills and may not even speak English really is no benefit or asset to your country. Its most likely just going to put further strain on welfare and increase crime.
It's not a race thing, it's education and skill based. Plus in some cases it is a case of culture and beliefs.

We're having problems here in Australia with African youth gangs committing a lot of crime. I honestly dont know if it is instilled in them, i believe its more up bringing, the environment they grew up in. Lack of education. Sometimes living in backwards and lawless places.
If you're unskilled and cant get work or can only get shit work, welfare doesn't really cut it. Therefore gangs and crime..



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Yes. 2007 is when Venezuela started seizing the means of production.

Source https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008




The oppressive governments in the third world exist after the 1960s when the liberals begin to establish transnational governments (NAFTA, WTO, WB) to control the politico-economic system in the third world and override the authority of many invisible hands; the unchecked corruption, tax heaven, rampart crimes, and mass poverty in the third world were rare during the 1960s.



Is that so?



The so called "puppets" you speak of are a detriment to western intervention in the form of western aid as we lose a significant percentage from corruption. As to your claim about the crime rates being low during the 1960's I can't find any data on that.


I have no comment on the first link because it simply show what companies is nationalized by Chavez over time. The statistics that you show on absolute poverty could not indicate the actual poverty problems by itself: I need to know how it measure "poverty", what is its operational definition of poverty, and whether it account for informal economy.
The informal economy is important to know since it is not measured by the GDP and may not even get recorded by any method. The informal economy include goods that are consumed by the producers and also include goods and services that are produced by the natural environment. Many indigenous tribes depend almost entirely on informal economy for their living and their informal economic system are lost from environmental destruction and forced displacement to urban locations. The new economy of the displaced tribes often cannot sustain their lives.
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I have no comment on the first link because it simply show what companies is nationalized by Chavez over time. The statistics that you show on absolute poverty could not indicate the actual poverty problems by itself: I need to know how it measure "poverty", what is its operational definition of poverty, and whether it account for informal economy.
The informal economy is important to know since it is not measured by the GDP and may not even get recorded by any method. The informal economy include goods that are consumed by the producers and also include goods and services that are produced by the natural environment. Many indigenous tribes depend almost entirely on informal economy for their living and their informal economic system are lost from environmental destruction and forced displacement to urban locations. The new economy of the displaced tribes often cannot sustain their lives.


You paint a picture of pre colonial Africa being made up of purely Tribes people. Africa had many fiefdoms, nations, kingdoms, states and Empires prior to the arrival of Europeans. Chiefdoms have been living in comparably worse conditions as far back as one can conceptualise of a chiefdom.

I'll ask you this. If the informal economy cannot be measured why are you're bringing it up? Is this informal economy of the gaps? Statisticians do not care for a boogeymen they cannot measure, it it up to you to suggest a way of measuring it and how much it will affect the overall GDP. According to the graphed data I have linked numerous Central, West, East And South Africans have been taken out of poverty (Having more than 2 dollars to spend a day as defined).
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aaaand people from Norway don’t want to come to America.
to be honest it sounds like trumps just preemptively searching for a new wife. feelsbad Melina.
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aaaand people from Norway don’t want to come to America.
to be honest it sounds like trumps just preemptively searching for a new wife. feelsbad Melina.


lol Norwegians are pretty hot.
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At the end of the day, it is better to bring in educated and skilled immigrants to your country.
Bringing in people who are uneducated and have no skills and may not even speak English really is no benefit or asset to your country. Its most likely just going to put further strain on welfare and increase crime.
It's not a race thing, it's education and skill based. Plus in some cases it is a case of culture and beliefs.

We're having problems here in Australia with African youth gangs committing a lot of crime. I honestly dont know if it is instilled in them, i believe its more up bringing, the environment they grew up in. Lack of education. Sometimes living in backwards and lawless places.
If you're unskilled and cant get work or can only get shit work, welfare doesn't really cut it. Therefore gangs and crime..





Actually, the US lacks enough manual labor and has to outsource it seasonally to people from other countries who get a work visa. There are entire towns who rely on this in terms of the seasonal tourism industry.

Immigrants, temporary or not, are the only ones willing to do certain jobs. At least it's the case here, I don't know anything about Australia.

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MrAnimeSK wrote:

At the end of the day, it is better to bring in educated and skilled immigrants to your country.
Bringing in people who are uneducated and have no skills and may not even speak English really is no benefit or asset to your country. Its most likely just going to put further strain on welfare and increase crime.
It's not a race thing, it's education and skill based. Plus in some cases it is a case of culture and beliefs.

We're having problems here in Australia with African youth gangs committing a lot of crime. I honestly dont know if it is instilled in them, i believe its more up bringing, the environment they grew up in. Lack of education. Sometimes living in backwards and lawless places.
If you're unskilled and cant get work or can only get shit work, welfare doesn't really cut it. Therefore gangs and crime..





Actually, the US lacks enough manual labor and has to outsource it seasonally to people from other countries who get a work visa. There are entire towns who rely on this in terms of the seasonal tourism industry.

Immigrants, temporary or not, are the only ones willing to do certain jobs. At least it's the case here, I don't know anything about Australia.



Automation will provide all the positive effects that unskilled immigration provides during manual labour shortages without the negatives.
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keiichi289 wrote:


MrAnimeSK wrote:

At the end of the day, it is better to bring in educated and skilled immigrants to your country.
Bringing in people who are uneducated and have no skills and may not even speak English really is no benefit or asset to your country. Its most likely just going to put further strain on welfare and increase crime.
It's not a race thing, it's education and skill based. Plus in some cases it is a case of culture and beliefs.

We're having problems here in Australia with African youth gangs committing a lot of crime. I honestly dont know if it is instilled in them, i believe its more up bringing, the environment they grew up in. Lack of education. Sometimes living in backwards and lawless places.
If you're unskilled and cant get work or can only get shit work, welfare doesn't really cut it. Therefore gangs and crime..





Actually, the US lacks enough manual labor and has to outsource it seasonally to people from other countries who get a work visa. There are entire towns who rely on this in terms of the seasonal tourism industry.

Immigrants, temporary or not, are the only ones willing to do certain jobs. At least it's the case here, I don't know anything about Australia.



Automation will provide all the positive effects that unskilled immigration provides during manual labour shortages without the negatives.


Uhh...

You do realize that's even less cost efficient than just paying a guy four bucks an hour to sling french fries, right? Automation is the way of the future but it doesn't apply to all aspects of industry.


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Actually, the US lacks enough manual labor and has to outsource it seasonally to people from other countries who get a work visa. There are entire towns who rely on this in terms of the seasonal tourism industry.

Immigrants, temporary or not, are the only ones willing to do certain jobs. At least it's the case here, I don't know anything about Australia.



That's surprising. Iam sure there must be a lot of people who just dont want to work then? or in(or have been) in jail?

Yeah the Indians seem to like to drive taxis and run service stations and clean. But my mother cleans so yeah..

I dont think Australia needs unskilled workers. I mean we have enough of them here (myself included). We have plenty of high school drop outs and people who never did a trade. And manufacturing is a dying industry here.

I have never been on welfare since i was like 16-17 but i hear now its pretty much all Arabs and blacks that are on there. But i mean iam sure there are still a lot of white pot smoking serfies that choose not to work.

They use the ageing population and low birth rates as a reason to validate bringing so many in.

I cant speak for America but when you have unemployment, lack of housing, at times a lack of water, etc it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bring in people with no education and skills when there are enough people like that here already and homeless people as well.

Many nations in the world (non white ones) only let skilled people that they need live there.





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If we're talking about technical feasibility than I'm going to come right out and say that there aren't many jobs I believe can not be done by automated processes. Unpredictable physical work isn't outside the realm of possibility for automation and as far as I'm concerned its an inevitability. If we're talking about how long then that's another discussion but nearly all forms of work involving predictable physical work, data collection and data processing will be placed entirely by automation in the next 50 years I believe and that's being generous.

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If we're talking about technical feasibility than I'm going to come right out and say that there aren't many jobs I believe can not be done by automated processes. Unpredictable physical work isn't outside the realm of possibility for automation and as far as I'm concerned its an inevitability. If we're talking about how long then that's another discussion but nearly all forms of work involving predictable physical work, data collection and data processing will be placed entirely by automation in the next 50 years I believe and that's being generous.



Analytics is worlds away from the service industry. The kind of jobs these people typically fill.
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keiichi289 wrote:

Actually, the US lacks enough manual labor and has to outsource it seasonally to people from other countries who get a work visa. There are entire towns who rely on this in terms of the seasonal tourism industry.

Immigrants, temporary or not, are the only ones willing to do certain jobs. At least it's the case here, I don't know anything about Australia.



I had research some political science articles on the current politics of USA and I could say that joblessness is a major problem. Many rural communities in USA are slowly losing their economic importance and unemployments has become rampart there. Joblessness, especially in the rural areas, is one major source of populist unrising in Western nations. Many jobs are being moved into the third world where the puppet governments force the workers to acceptance of low wage and toxic working conditions. Despite this, I will not say that the Western nations should not allow immigrants from third world; instead, I will tell the Western governments to allow immigrants from developing nations that are under the control of their puppet government.
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keiichi289 wrote:

Actually, the US lacks enough manual labor and has to outsource it seasonally to people from other countries who get a work visa. There are entire towns who rely on this in terms of the seasonal tourism industry.

Immigrants, temporary or not, are the only ones willing to do certain jobs. At least it's the case here, I don't know anything about Australia.



I had research some political science articles on the current politics of USA and I could say that joblessness is a major problem. Many rural communities in USA are slowly losing their economic importance and unemployments has become rampart there. Joblessness, especially in the rural areas, is one major source of populist unrising in Western nations. Many jobs are being moved into the third world where the puppet governments force the workers to acceptance of low wage and toxic working conditions. Despite this, I will not say that the Western nations should not allow immigrants from third world; instead, I will tell the Western governments to allow immigrants from developing nations that are under the control of their puppet government.


I have the feeling that you think you're an intellectual.

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