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Plus people dont seem to learn that the Muslim Arab also enslaved the black man.
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This is merely a symptom of a larger disease. Public schooling in this nation is a conveyer belt, designed to produce easily led, minimally functional people, who are no threat to the political class. The primary mission of public education is to create subservient sheep, unable to have independent or politically incorrect thoughts.
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DengekiFugu wrote:

This is merely a symptom of a larger disease. Public schooling in this nation is a conveyer belt, designed to produce easily led, minimally functional people, who are no threat to the political class. The primary mission of public education is to create subservient sheep, unable to have independent or politically incorrect thoughts.


Nope, pretty sure it is slavery or to be more succinct the bias against teaching it properly.
, seems we all live in, what is your term" safe spaces "these days.


and if you find the public sector lacking... give it more funds instead of , you know, cutting them.
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My personal take: Attitudes about the war today are determined much more by politics rather than geography. I've noticed conservatives tend to be much more sympathetic to/supportive of the Confederacy than liberals, no matter what part of the country they're from. And the GOP has held a firm grip on state-level politics for the last decade or so, which means they have a lot of control over school board editing and what ultimately gets put in the textbooks.

A lot of textbook publishers will also omit the uglier parts of slavery on their own because they don't want to offend the Southern states and hurt their sales.


Attitudes on education in general in the US seem to be driven by politics more than accurate information and it feels like its been growing worse over the last 10ish years or so. There's been a real sustained push by more hardline conservative voices to try and reshape education to only teach what they approve of ( which often includes a religious bend ). Even in regards to factual information such as history and science ( look at Devos for example ). Especially in regards to trying to subvert the public system and divert government funding to private institutions that don't need to abide by the same standards.

The whole thing strikes me as surreal. The government is fundamentally secular and facts are, well, fundamentally facts. Training your kids to be good little Confederates or Christians or whatever is setting up them up for failure. The education standards of post secondary institutions aren't changing and the world certainly isn't going to give you a pass on your lack of knowledge/skills because your mom thought evolution was the Devil's work. You're sabotaging your child's future and by extension your country's.

And before someone goes off on me about evil liberals teaching their kids to be genderqueer or some such crap; Your kid learning about gender identity isn't going to stop them from getting a job in STEM.



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Attitudes on education in general in the US seem to be driven by politics more than accurate information and it feels like its been growing worse over the last 10ish years or so. There's been a real sustained push by more hardline conservative voices to try and reshape education to only teach what they approve of ( which often includes a religious bend ). Even in regards to factual information such as history and science ( look at Devos for example ). Especially in regards to trying to subvert the public system and divert government funding to private institutions that don't need to abide by the same standards.

The whole thing strikes me as surreal. The government is fundamentally secular and facts are, well, fundamentally facts. Training your kids to be good little Confederates or Christians or whatever is setting up them up for failure. The education standards of post secondary institutions aren't changing and the world certainly isn't going to give you a pass on your lack of knowledge/skills because your mom thought evolution was the Devil's work. You're sabotaging your child's future and by extension your country's.

And before someone goes off on me about evil liberals teaching their kids to be genderqueer or some such crap; Your kid learning about gender identity isn't going to stop them from getting a job in STEM.



Lucky for me, the New Orleans area has some great private and Catholic schools, so I was never taught any of this garbage, though I did get a glimpse of it at a public high school in Texas (I lived in Houston for 5 months after Katrina). It wasn't until I got to college that I realized just how fortunate I was to avoid Louisiana public schools (This guy in my bio class was asking questions every 2 minutes when we covered evolution; somebody in one of my English courses didn't know what Watergate was).
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US education doesn't seem to fare too well in all disciplines. We might very well be the only "1st world" country where answering 5x3 = 5+5+5 = 15 will get you an X mark on the test. yes, i get it. semantics. but still a dumb reason to penalize a student for a factually correct answer.
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We should all submit under the rule of our future AI overlords thereby avoid the repugnant conclusion (lol).


Please cleanse this wretched world of non believers oh great and powerful Cyber God; for they do not see their transgressions


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Plus people dont seem to learn that the Muslim Arab also enslaved the black man.


Yes, the arab merchants who showed the travellers what it was like to discriminate based on a person'so skin color... They used skin color to create a system that gave the impression that lighter skinned slaves were to be more trusted and had the brains to handle the more complex tasks whereas the darker skinned slaves should do the more menial stuff. Considering that even the term Caucasian included some dark skinned people clasified as such based on their features and hair similarity to those who needed to create such terms, shows that the learning curve had declined after the travelled returned with stories. Such convenience
would obviously be used by power hungry religions and such to passing on the roles already in existence to those ruled by more easily.

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Really? We somehow took this all the way around to finding some way to try and blame Muslims?

Really?

What is wrong with you guys?
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Meanwhile the Han get to learn about the Romance of the Three Kingdoms in school.
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runec wrote:

Really? We somehow took this all the way around to finding some way to try and blame Muslims?

Really?

What is wrong with you guys?


someone will eventually bring it up, I mean this thread is about slavery.

Even if nothing was ever mentioned. We can't stop ourselves anymore.

I have a good laugh at It, but I guess other people take it to heart sometimes.

It's called ignoring it and finding another reasonable post. Just like life. It's not really physically or mentally harming me in all honesty. It's not this bullshit Islamophobia, its probably somewhat the truth.
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runec wrote:

Really? We somehow took this all the way around to finding some way to try and blame Muslims?

Really?

What is wrong with you guys?


They have to take the focus off white people somehow.
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Really, guys? This is a topic of slavery being neglected in school, yet, hypocritically, discussing more than the Atlantic slave trade can "only" be attributed to prejudice? The hell? The Atlantic slave trade isn't the only slavery history that is sorely neglected. We have everything from the Barbary slave trade, to the 2007 Chinese slave scandal, to Libya's slave trade. They're all more than due for open discussion. Either you support education on slavery, or you only want a single facet to monopolize. It's pretty twisted for only one slave trade to be "okay" to talk about.
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Really, guys? This is a topic of slavery being neglected in school, yet, hypocritically, discussing more than the Atlantic slave trade can "only" be attributed to prejudice? The hell? The Atlantic slave trade isn't the only slavery history that is sorely neglected. We have everything from the Barbary slave trade, to the 2007 Chinese slave scandal, to Libya's slave trade. They're all more than due for open discussion. Either you support education on slavery, or you only want a single facet to monopolize. It's pretty twisted for only one slave trade to be "okay" to talk about.


This. ^^^^ And while on the topic of slavery, lets not forget about pretty much all empires that existed, which all had slaves of some sort, but I guess those aren't important to some people. It's not about skin color people, slavery existed in much worse conditions all over the world.
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Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

Really, guys? This is a topic of slavery being neglected in school, yet, hypocritically, discussing more than the Atlantic slave trade can "only" be attributed to prejudice? The hell? The Atlantic slave trade isn't the only slavery history that is sorely neglected. We have everything from the Barbary slave trade, to the 2007 Chinese slave scandal, to Libya's slave trade. They're all more than due for open discussion. Either you support education on slavery, or you only want a single facet to monopolize. It's pretty twisted for only one slave trade to be "okay" to talk about.


This. ^^^^ And while on the topic of slavery, lets not forget about pretty much all empires that existed, which all had slaves of some sort, but I guess those aren't important to some people. It's not about skin color people, slavery existed in much worse conditions all over the world.


unfortunately in the united states it WAS about skin colour and the scars of that still run pretty deep. It deserves some focus.

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