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But I guess me...and others...aren't too pressed about this since it's the director and not the mangaka themselves?


^ That right there.

Guy sounds like an arsehole but he's the director, not the creator. It's a shame he had a hand in such a good show but it doesn't tarnish the story or characters themselves. On the other hand if he's hired back on for another season despite his views then I would have some serious questions for the studio.





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That's really interesting.

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runec wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:
But I guess me...and others...aren't too pressed about this since it's the director and not the mangaka themselves?


^ That right there.

Guy sounds like an arsehole but he's the director, not the creator. It's a shame he had a hand in such a good show but it doesn't tarnish the story or characters themselves. On the other hand if he's hired back on for another season despite his views then I would have some serious questions for the studio.







His career and his future are different animals from those things he's already had a hand in creating.

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His career and his future are different animals from those things he's already had a hand in creating.


I don't want to see one asshole ruin someone else's work. According to his career read out he's never had a hand in actually writing anything so the retroactive taint on his previous works isn't too bad as long as going forward the industry drops him like a rock.
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Okay, I haven't read through the entire thread, so I can't comment on what others have said, but here are my thoughts as a Jewish person, an anime fan, and someone who tries to follow the principle of tikkun olam, repairing the world. Basically, it means living one's life trying to make the world a bit better.

I do encourage people to care, though, I'm not asking people to boycott the series (I haven't watched it yet but the series itself looks positive overall). I don't really think that would accomplish anything.

What I mean when I say I want people to care is that I want them to learn history---not just with respect to the Holocaust, but all human history, stretching beyond their countries of origin and religious beliefs---and see just how much we humans have hurt each other, and for what foolish reasons, so that we don't keep repeating the sins of the past. Of course, that's easier said than done, because we humans certainly do keep ignoring, and repeating, those sins, but living is striving to do better.

My mother's parents were Holocaust survivors, and while I never knew my grandfather, my grandma risked her life many times during WWII to bring whatever food and medicine she could to fellow refugees. Food was scarce; she ate whatever scraps she could find, including pork and horse meat, to survive.

If I could speak to this man myself I would tell him that I exist because what he denies really happened. My grandmother loved her home and would never have left it by choice. I have few relatives on my mother's side because most of my grandparents' families were murdered. I do not have the option of going to a normal grave to pay my respects. Instead I will have to go to places like Auschwitz, though it is probably going to be unsafe considering the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Poland. But that doesn't matter. Someday I will go. Maybe I can share my grandma's story with people who may doubt.

For those who say they don't care . . . I sincerely hope you reconsider. You probably know at least one person who owes his or her life to someone who survived a genocide.
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Okay, I haven't read through the entire thread, so I can't comment on what others have said, but here are my thoughts as a Jewish person, an anime fan, and someone who tries to follow the principle of tikkun olam, repairing the world. Basically, it means living one's life trying to make the world a bit better.

I do encourage people to care, though, I'm not asking people to boycott the series (I haven't watched it yet but the series itself looks positive overall). I don't really think that would accomplish anything.

What I mean when I say I want people to care is that I want them to learn history---not just with respect to the Holocaust, but all human history, stretching beyond their countries of origin and religious beliefs---and see just how much we humans have hurt each other, and for what foolish reasons, so that we don't keep repeating the sins of the past. Of course, that's easier said than done, because we humans certainly do keep ignoring, and repeating, those sins, but living is striving to do better.

My mother's parents were Holocaust survivors, and while I never knew my grandfather, my grandma risked her life many times during WWII to bring whatever food and medicine she could to fellow refugees. Food was scarce; she ate whatever scraps she could find, including pork and horse meat, to survive.

If I could speak to this man myself I would tell him that I exist because what he denies really happened. My grandmother loved her home and would never have left it by choice. I have few relatives on my mother's side because most of my grandparents' families were murdered. I do not have the option of going to a normal grave to pay my respects. Instead I will have to go to places like Auschwitz, though it is probably going to be unsafe considering the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Poland. But that doesn't matter. Someday I will go. Maybe I can share my grandma's story with people who may doubt.

For those who say they don't care . . . I sincerely hope you reconsider. You probably know at least one person who owes his or her life to someone who survived a genocide.


Perhaps 'I don't care" is too simple an expression. I certainly DO care about the injustices in the world. We could go on at length about them I'm sure. I'm just not sure in this case that the director's possibly questionable character is enough to taint the show. And on the larger scale I think it's dangerous to trash/denegrate/erase works of art just because someone involved in the creation had questionable attitudes. We can recognise great art without forgetting that the artist was human trash.

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I never said the show should be discarded because of the opinions of one person who worked on it---I think it's possible to learn from human creations and recognize their impact on the world while accepting that many of the creators themselves could be far from ideal people---horrible people, even. I mean, you won't ever catch me listening to a Wagner opera, but I won't automatically hold a grudge against anyone who does. Or anyone who drives a Ford, for that matter.

I hope you can understand why I said what I did. It seems that you do. Thanks for your response.
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I find it disturbing too and surprising...since Japanese are usually polite and all. But I guess me...and others...aren't too pressed about this since it's the director and not the mangaka themselves?

Maybe Trump should hire him for some US/Japan shit

I fear that it reflects a failure of the educational system, likely across Asia.
The treatment of Nazi Germany in Japanese stuff that I've encountered has been extremely superficial.
The WWII ships in Kancolle, I think, reflects on the superficiality of the understanding of this period in contemporary otaku culture; why not shipgirls based on current JMSDF ships for example, instead of ships associated with a history of authoritarianism and atrocity?
I'm basically trying to say, I think this is a symptom of an underlying problem that has been around for a long time, and is arguably becoming more visible.


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You wanna be careful where you get your info from. This 'Neo nazi' label you mention is used quite frequently by social justice warriors to label anyone who has a different or opposing opinion to them. That said if you actually look into charlottesville or unite the right you will actually see that antifa (the people supposingly opposing facism) were as if not more violent than anyone else. Also the fact that they struck first from quite a few sources. The problem is if you just look at what the media tell you then you aren't really researching since most of the current media outlets worship the ground sjw's stand on... look at gamergate and what happened with that. As long as he doesn't post his views in the anime why does anyone care? we only watch the anime we don't know him personally so why does it matter? Although the minute anyone mentions 'neo nazis' to the political left you get a hysterical witchhunt anyway. Interesting fact a list of people called 'nazis' at the moment is very long, for example Jordan peterson .. a completly sane guy branded by the SJW's as a nazi because guess why? He does not advocate having to use pronouns people tell him to use and does not support feminism... go figure.

I completely agree with you that the label should not be slung freely as many in the US are wont to do; likewise I also think the antifa at Charlottesville showed up with an intention to fight, just as the Neo Nazis did. That said, at the end of the day, one counter protester is dead because a Neo-Nazi drove his car into a crowd. The blood is on the hands of the Nazis in this case.

In the case of the MMO director, by his statements he is very much a neo-Nazi, and a Holocaust denier.

Countries like the US rely on self-policing among citizens to prevent totalitarianism from gaining a foothold. As long as the responsibility of the public is to attempt to reason with Nazis, Maoists, Stalinists, or other anti-democratic ideologies, we're going to have to socially sanction this ideology, as I hope people in Japan will do.
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I fear that it reflects a failure of the educational system, likely across Asia.
The treatment of Nazi Germany in Japanese stuff that I've encountered has been extremely superficial.
The WWII ships in Kancolle, I think, reflects on the superficiality of the understanding of this period in contemporary otaku culture; why not shipgirls based on current JMSDF ships for example, instead of ships associated with a history of authoritarianism and atrocity?
I'm basically trying to say, I think this is a symptom of an underlying problem that has been around for a long time, and is arguably becoming more visible.



Maybe someone can answer this then. I'm not trolling.you actually have me genuinely curious about it now:

How do Japanese schools teach WW2? Do they do what like they do down in the Southern States in regards to the Civil War(for example, the Allies were wrong and Japan was right?)


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I never said the show should be discarded because of the opinions of one person who worked on it---I think it's possible to learn from human creations and recognize their impact on the world while accepting that many of the creators themselves could be far from ideal people---horrible people, even. I mean, you won't ever catch me listening to a Wagner opera, but I won't automatically hold a grudge against anyone who does. Or anyone who drives a Ford, for that matter.

I hope you can understand why I said what I did. It seems that you do. Thanks for your response.


Wagner is a good example. The brothers were hip deep in with Hitler himself and regardless I find most of their work too bombastic for my personal taste. Neither of those mean they didn't make a contribution to art. (and I did enjoy Ride of the Valkeries in Apocalypse Now). And yes I think I understood. I was basically apoligizing and clarifying my position since "I don't care" was a phrase i used in an earlier post

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I have to admit I care, but only as concerns the man himself not the series. This has nothing to do with anime, and trying to involve it in this guy's personal views because he was the director is more than a bit silly. But considering how often even in anime and in Japanese pop-culture in general Nazis and Nazi like themes (especially uniforms) are portrayed as cool, I would say that there is a larger problem here that I have been aware of for some time. And it hardly makes the Japanese look good when they c an't see what is wrong with thinking Nazis are cool or constantly using Nazi-like references and symbols in what can only be described a positive or lighthearted manner. I have always suspected that the Japanese have downplayed Germany's war record (not to mention their own) since Germany was a WWII ally. And generally in Asia the education and understanding of European history is rather lacking even of WWII, just as in the West the education of Asian history is almost completely lacking.
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Charlotte_Cavatica wrote:

Okay, I haven't read through the entire thread, so I can't comment on what others have said, but here are my thoughts as a Jewish person, an anime fan, and someone who tries to follow the principle of tikkun olam, repairing the world. Basically, it means living one's life trying to make the world a bit better.

I do encourage people to care, though, I'm not asking people to boycott the series (I haven't watched it yet but the series itself looks positive overall). I don't really think that would accomplish anything.

What I mean when I say I want people to care is that I want them to learn history---not just with respect to the Holocaust, but all human history, stretching beyond their countries of origin and religious beliefs---and see just how much we humans have hurt each other, and for what foolish reasons, so that we don't keep repeating the sins of the past. Of course, that's easier said than done, because we humans certainly do keep ignoring, and repeating, those sins, but living is striving to do better.

My mother's parents were Holocaust survivors, and while I never knew my grandfather, my grandma risked her life many times during WWII to bring whatever food and medicine she could to fellow refugees. Food was scarce; she ate whatever scraps she could find, including pork and horse meat, to survive.

If I could speak to this man myself I would tell him that I exist because what he denies really happened. My grandmother loved her home and would never have left it by choice. I have few relatives on my mother's side because most of my grandparents' families were murdered. I do not have the option of going to a normal grave to pay my respects. Instead I will have to go to places like Auschwitz, though it is probably going to be unsafe considering the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Poland. But that doesn't matter. Someday I will go. Maybe I can share my grandma's story with people who may doubt.

For those who say they don't care . . . I sincerely hope you reconsider. You probably know at least one person who owes his or her life to someone who survived a genocide.


I don't think anyone's said that they don't care; I think the majority of people would be more upset and would boycott this series if it were the mangaka themselves that were posting these tweets. I am curious to see how Funimation will handle this though.

Also, I am truly sorry for what your family has been thru. And I do hope you can someday get the chance to go to Poland to pay respects to your family...
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Nogara-san wrote:
But I guess me...and others...aren't too pressed about this since it's the director and not the mangaka themselves?


^ That right there.

Guy sounds like an arsehole but he's the director, not the creator. It's a shame he had a hand in such a good show but it doesn't tarnish the story or characters themselves. On the other hand if he's hired back on for another season despite his views then I would have some serious questions for the studio.







I don't think it's as big as an issue in Japan as it would be here in the States. But I do agree; now that I know this guy's views, I'd have to take a hard pass on anything he's involved in in the future...
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For those who say they don't care . . . I sincerely hope you reconsider. You probably know at least one person who owes his or her life to someone who survived a genocide.


Nope. Wont reconsider. I'm Armenian and I would still defend the right of a moron to say the Armenian Genocide never happened over defending someone trying to censor them.
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Charlotte_Cavatica wrote:

For those who say they don't care . . . I sincerely hope you reconsider. You probably know at least one person who owes his or her life to someone who survived a genocide.


Nope. Wont reconsider. I'm Armenian and I would still defend the right of a moron to say the Armenian Genocide never happened over defending someone trying to censor them.


I'm not trying to censor anybody. I'm encouraging people to care about things that may or may not affect them personally. That's all.
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