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Confirmed mass school shooting in South Florida High School
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Posted 2/14/18 , edited 2/15/18
So what we've been told so far is that there was this kid who is said to have claimed to be bullied all the time with no one helping him, who is being actively shunned by his community, ends up attacking the people he sees as attacking him after his adopted mother died.
His community then takes the chance to reflect and continue to badmouth him.
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So what we've been told so far is that there was this kid who is said to have claimed to be bullied all the time with no one helping him, who is being actively shunned by his community, ends up attacking the people he sees as attacking him after his adopted mother died.
His community then takes the chance to reflect and continue to badmouth him.


It's tragic but he killed 17 people.
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I'm seriously interested in where his parents are. You don't end up that way in a vacuum and you don't have a small armory in your bedroom without your parents noticing. If his problems were so evident that even the students at school figured he would shoot up the school one day then there's no way one or both parents or whomever his guardian(s) are did not see signs.


I believe he was adopted and at least 1/2 of his adoption parents died, not double checking. How does a kid afford a small arsenal guns are expensive. Ontop of that he already got suspended and was banned from entering that school. SO many warning signs not to mention liking ISIS groups which is a code "CALL THE FBI" flag.

I just seen an article about a nosy grandma catching her grandson planning something stupid and reporting it: http://archive.is/gr0GP


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I really wonder how it is to have a mind like yours and get the conclusions you come to. Its like you was following all the signs then at the last moment you decided fuck it and went completely the wrong direction.

If a 19 year old is able to get his hands on weapons as easily as he is with as many "warning signs" as he had then you have bigger problems than a "gun free zone"



Gun free zones are a failed policy that costs the lives of innocent children each year. It has not stopped a single incident and merely encourages shooters by guaranteeing them complete safety for XX Minutes till the police show up, prepare, then actually help. There is not one benefit to gun free zones besides a delusion that guns or bombs cannot enter it. Train willing teachers how to protect their children instead of just asking them to jump infront of a weapon hopelessly.


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Nothing important was said here. Why bother quoting me if your going to say nothing and snip it.




Sorry dude but no, gun free zones are not a failed policy. Having the amount of guns America has freely available is the cause of all of the gun deaths (and yes I am including suicides, accidental shootings, gang shootings basically deaths and injuries involving guns). If you actually believe that the reason that this shooting happened and why 17 people died *this time* is due to a gun free zone you have more problems with your thought process than your posting history on here seems to show. People do not shoot up school because they are gun free zones, they shoot them because they have a connection to the place.

Feel free to not quote me because with your way of thinking I doubt there will be any meaningful way in which we will agree.

The only way for things to change in America is to realise hiding behind the second amendment is stupid.

An before Gun Control is brought up an people start talking "we already have gun control" or "gun control stops good guys from getting guns"

1) if your gun control is not enforced across the whole country the same then you do not infact have control of the guns
2) A "good guy" with a gun is one bad day, desperate situation, or heated moment away from being a criminal. We do not live in minority report where we can determine who will do a crime before it comes to pass.

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Rujikin wrote:


Gun free zones are a failed policy that costs the lives of innocent children each year. It has not stopped a single incident and merely encourages shooters by guaranteeing them complete safety for XX Minutes till the police show up, prepare, then actually help. There is not one benefit to gun free zones besides a delusion that guns or bombs cannot enter it. Train willing teachers how to protect their children instead of just asking them to jump infront of a weapon hopelessly.


I know the ROE I was trained on for an active shooter was get a rifle and confront them if you are first on scene hope that backup is close. it's not a good feeling even in training.


If this happens its a bad situation overall the only thing you can do is try to minimize the damage the active shooter is doing. Heck just pinning him and slowing him down will help a lot.
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Not surprising America really can't go a week without a shooting.

Sucks for the families...
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Rujikin wrote:


CptSpeirs wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


Gun free zones are a failed policy that costs the lives of innocent children each year. It has not stopped a single incident and merely encourages shooters by guaranteeing them complete safety for XX Minutes till the police show up, prepare, then actually help. There is not one benefit to gun free zones besides a delusion that guns or bombs cannot enter it. Train willing teachers how to protect their children instead of just asking them to jump infront of a weapon hopelessly.


I know the ROE I was trained on for an active shooter was get a rifle and confront them if you are first on scene hope that backup is close. it's not a good feeling even in training.


If this happens its a bad situation overall the only thing you can do is try to minimize the damage the active shooter is doing. Heck just pinning him and slowing him down will help a lot.


Yeah, I know for me SWAT is not going to show for hours, because they will have to come from a more populated area, the closest we have is a county level tactical team that is headed by the Sheriff's Office, but even they will take hours to get everyone together.
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Sorry dude but no, gun free zones are not a failed policy. Having the amount of guns America has freely available is the cause of all of the gun deaths (and yes I am including suicides, accidental shootings, gang shootings basically deaths and injuries involving guns). If you actually believe that the reason that this shooting happened and why 17 people died *this time* is due to a gun free zone you have more problems with your thought process than your posting history on here seems to show. People do not shoot up school because they are gun free zones, they shoot them because they have a connection to the place.

Feel free to not quote me because with your way of thinking I doubt there will be any meaningful way in which we will agree.

The only way for things to change in America is to realise hiding behind the second amendment is stupid.

An before Gun Control is brought up an people start talking "we already have gun control" or "gun control stops good guys from getting guns"

1) if your gun control is not enforced across the whole country the same then you do not infact have control of the guns
2) A "good guy" with a gun is one bad day, desperate situation, or heated moment away from being a criminal. We do not live in minority report where we can determine who will do a crime before it comes to pass.



Ok how do we go about removing 300 million owned by roughly 100 million people, many of whom would rather go to war than give up their guns off the street with out massive amounts of bloodshed?
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zefur wrote:

Sorry dude but no, gun free zones are not a failed policy. Having the amount of guns America has freely available is the cause of all of the gun deaths (and yes I am including suicides, accidental shootings, gang shootings basically deaths and injuries involving guns). If you actually believe that the reason that this shooting happened and why 17 people died *this time* is due to a gun free zone you have more problems with your thought process than your posting history on here seems to show. People do not shoot up school because they are gun free zones, they shoot them because they have a connection to the place.

Feel free to not quote me because with your way of thinking I doubt there will be any meaningful way in which we will agree.

The only way for things to change in America is to realise hiding behind the second amendment is stupid.

An before Gun Control is brought up an people start talking "we already have gun control" or "gun control stops good guys from getting guns"

1) if your gun control is not enforced across the whole country the same then you do not infact have control of the guns
2) A "good guy" with a gun is one bad day, desperate situation, or heated moment away from being a criminal. We do not live in minority report where we can determine who will do a crime before it comes to pass.



Ok how do we go about removing 300million owned by roughly 100million people, many of whom would rather go to war than give up their guns off the street with out massive amounts of bloodshed?


Yep the best way to solve a problem is not to try, I got ya.

And you wonder why "thoughts and prayers" is the only acceptable reply a portion of the population accept. Keep doing nothing and expect things to change and when the next school shooting, mass shooting, accidental shooting, toddler with a gun comes around we can say "we tried nothing and we're all out of options" then too.

Just because its a difficult does that mean its not worth trying.

And I think the first step is to actually let people research the affects of having a heavily armed population without interference from gun lobbyists. Once actual facts are able to be provided then we can show how much harm guns do to the population as a whole
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zefur wrote:


CptSpeirs wrote:


zefur wrote:

Sorry dude but no, gun free zones are not a failed policy. Having the amount of guns America has freely available is the cause of all of the gun deaths (and yes I am including suicides, accidental shootings, gang shootings basically deaths and injuries involving guns). If you actually believe that the reason that this shooting happened and why 17 people died *this time* is due to a gun free zone you have more problems with your thought process than your posting history on here seems to show. People do not shoot up school because they are gun free zones, they shoot them because they have a connection to the place.

Feel free to not quote me because with your way of thinking I doubt there will be any meaningful way in which we will agree.

The only way for things to change in America is to realise hiding behind the second amendment is stupid.

An before Gun Control is brought up an people start talking "we already have gun control" or "gun control stops good guys from getting guns"

1) if your gun control is not enforced across the whole country the same then you do not infact have control of the guns
2) A "good guy" with a gun is one bad day, desperate situation, or heated moment away from being a criminal. We do not live in minority report where we can determine who will do a crime before it comes to pass.



Ok how do we go about removing 300million owned by roughly 100million people, many of whom would rather go to war than give up their guns off the street with out massive amounts of bloodshed?


Yep the best way to solve a problem is not to try, I got ya.

And you wonder why "thoughts and prayers" is the only acceptable reply a portion of the population accept. Keep doing nothing and expect things to change and when the next school shooting, mass shooting, accidental shooting, toddler with a gun comes around we can say "we tried nothing and we're all out of options" then too.

Just because its a difficult does that mean its not worth trying.

And I think the first step is to actually let people research the affects of having a heavily armed population without interference from gun lobbyists. Once actual facts are able to be provided then we can show how much harm guns do to the population as a whole


American culture has always been saturated with firearms, since day one the US has had more firearms per person than most any other country. I agree that thoughts and prayers aren't working, I think bad shit is going to happen, 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston Bombs, The Vegas Strip shooting, I could list shootings and terrorist attacks or whatever you want to call them all night long, the fact is bad people are going to do bad thing and innocent people will die, the worst school shooting in the US was in 1927 and that was with a bolt-action rifle, some Dynamite, and some Molotov cocktails. All we can do is react, and that sucks.
Posted 2/15/18 , edited 2/15/18
How do you get expelled after one fight? At most you get a suspension -.-. This boy was really weak. Just desperate to be accepted anywhere.

To me, that school staff should have sat down and did some councilling. He'd test the limit to their acceptance because of trust issues but they could have won him over.

Some persons really don't know how to deal with rejection.

I remember this one boy who was such a bully to everyone but I remember I gave him a Christmas card along with everyone in my class. I was the only one who gave him a card. I just saw him looking confused but accepting the card. I was confused by his confusion. Like why shouldn'the he get one too? Anyway he did change after that, became more grown up and he was decent looking so got himself a very nice and cute girlfriend.

The point is not this story. I'm not like most people, things said or done don't get on my nerves as much and I tend to forget faces and feelings but still... Don't let someone you know turn to dark places for comfort.

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So what we've been told so far is that there was this kid who is said to have claimed to be bullied all the time with no one helping him, who is being actively shunned by his community, ends up attacking the people he sees as attacking him after his adopted mother died.
His community then takes the chance to reflect and continue to badmouth him.


Yes, well, on the flip side his social media is full of guns, knives and threats to kill his fellow students and law enforcement. Then there's the accounts of him killing animals from social media and from his former friends. Which is one of the clearer signs of psychopathy. So no, I don't think we can go the bully victim route and expect much sympathy. Especially with this many bodies in his wake. This was also the third school he was kicked out of. So the problems stretch back further than the death of his adoptive mother.




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The point is not this story. I'm not like most people, things said or done don't get on my nerves as much and I tend to forget faces and feelings but still... Don't let someone you know turn to dark places for comfort.


Unfortunately, you can't Hallmark moment your way over mental illness. Especially when it comes to psychopathy that's reached the level of torturing animals. At that point the person doesn't have a functioning capacity for empathy to begin with.

Also, it was more than just one fight per the accounts of his classmates. It was everything from threatening other students to screaming at teachers in the middle of class.
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Oh FFS the FBI had a tip that the shooter said he was going g to become a professional school shooter and they didn't do anything: https://archive.is/ZVnIf

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At least 17 dead and you are posting silly emoticons and cracking wise about the "left". I don't think this is appropriate, and if you somehow think that this is a normal, healthy way to respond to mass shootings leaving behind piles of bodies, I think that says a lot about the state of this country.


Yeah at least iam not pretending to be shocked and full of fake sympathy and thoughts and prayers and lighting candles and changing my facebook filter when in reality i dont give a fuck and iam only doing it to look good to others.

And iam from Australia so me has nothing to do with the stare of America.

I do feel for the families but iam not going to put on a show and be a fake cunt.


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How is that for a reaction?


Nice one. I like it. Banter is good. I can take it, dont worry, i wont report you. lol


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Cite your source please cos if its just the name Cruz that making you think this, kinda means nothing doesn't it.

Its not because of your political leanings that makes people talk down to you btw.


I have not put in any research what so ever but i saw multiple sources on facebook, it was a pic of him with a commie t-shirt.


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Holy shit dude, what's wrong with you? Why do you think it's appropriate to make HUUUR DEM LIBRULS jokes when 17 kids are dead?


Well yeah i do actually. Liberals do it when republicans die or they seem to get off on when a white person dose something wrong.



Yep. 100%. Exactly the same with Islamic terrorism.


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Rujikin wrote:
blah blah useless spin



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-snipped- because of complete idiocy


https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/nicolas-nikolas-nick-cruz-florida-school-shooter-gunman-instagram/


He Posted Photos of Guns & Knives on Instagram, Calling His Weapons an ‘Arsenal’ & Had a MAGA Hat on in His Profile Picture



In 2015, he posted a screenshot of a Google search for the phrase, “what does allahu akbar.” He then wrote a caption that included an anti-Muslim slur, “Well at least we now know what it means when a sand durka says “allahu Akbar” ??????” While some have been using that post to claim that he was pro-ISIS or supporter of Islamic terrorism, comments he made on the Instagram post indicated he wanted to kill terrorists and made jokes about terrorism.

“Durka durka Mohamed jihad .. how do I work this oh oh I mess up cooo booom!!” he wrote. He then added, “durka durka … bam boom explosions,” with a series of bomb smilies.


Honestly he sounds like a guy that both of you would love, especially you AnimeSK, but by all means keep trying to play the blame game.



Edit: apologies, I dont know how to resize that but it's relevant.


LMAO. Nice one, the idiocy comment.

Eh maybe, i doubt it though, none of my friends are fucked enough to kill innocent people. And when or how did i play the blame game? stop making shit up dude.

And for the record, i may be opinionated but iam by no means an extremist.
Posted 2/15/18 , edited 2/15/18

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Pilimit wrote:
The point is not this story. I'm not like most people, things said or done don't get on my nerves as much and I tend to forget faces and feelings but still... Don't let someone you know turn to dark places for comfort.


Unfortunately, you can't Hallmark moment your way over mental illness. Especially when it comes to psychopathy that's reached the level of torturing animals. At that point the person doesn't have a functioning capacity for empathy to begin with.

Also, it was more than just one fight per the accounts of his classmates. It was everything from threatening other students to screaming at teachers in the middle of class.


I wouldn't take those psychological generalisations I made seriously but still... I also wouldn't say that he was incapable of empathy since there's levels to empathy and he doesn't conform to a popular culture.

Non of the entities involved should be extending empathy to only members of their culture. Even though I got Christmas cards from other students in that class I didn't know any of them or cared about them but I guess I was acceptable to them because I didn't cause them distress.
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as terrible as it is, I'm really not too surprised. And I can see that media isn't either because this thread is the first place I hear about this and I read news almost all the time. And it's not even top story like these kinda shootings used to be.
It's like this has became a norm. There has been way too many school shootings in the recent year. I can't understand why they still don't dosomething to the gun laws.
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