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Confirmed mass school shooting in South Florida High School
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So it turns out the guy was part of a white nationalist militia group. It'll be interesting to see if we learn anything else from that.


They're saying he took part in their training exercises. Given that he used tactics in the shooting to maximize casualties, that adds some more unsettling questions.



That's stretching really hard Runec. Training exercises likely include the shooting range and probably a form of martial arts most likely.
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The FBI did follow up on it. Field agents interviewed the tipster. But the internet being what it is, they couldn't pin down who or where the commenter was. There was a second tip as well, but the FBI hasn't said what happened to that one yet. Even putting the FBI aside though the guy's social media history is one massive red flag. Couple that with students and teachers all being fully aware he was disturbed and had firearms. Despite all of the red flags around him none of it made it to the right ears and he was able to pass background checks to purchase guns.

Mmm smells like copypasta of a news source that has a laughably poor understanding of the internet. What's an IP address, though?


Considering the FBI can follow up on virtual planners i'm also surprised they didn't stop him. I mean the medical professionals had drills preparing for such an event.
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I'm seriously interested in where his parents are. You don't end up that way in a vacuum and you don't have a small armory in your bedroom without your parents noticing. If his problems were so evident that even the students at school figured he would shoot up the school one day then there's no way one or both parents or whomever his guardian(s) are did not see signs.


This is at the heart of things. It's like that Merle Haggard song.

And I turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole
No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried
Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried

From what I gather, he was raised by a single (always a red flag) adoptive mother. She had passed away about a year ago. As a Catholic, I know that children of single mothers are 30x more likely to be sexually molested than altar boys. From what I've read, single motherhood, as an institution, is kind of a cancer on society. No wonder it has such a stigma in Japan.

We Americans need to start looking into this and seeing how we can reduce the incidence of single motherhood.

We also need to start keeping an eye out and using our brains. This guy left red flags all over. "I'm going to do what he did" and "I'm going to be a professional school shooter". Hello? How do you shrug and go about your business?

Another thing worth note is that all of these mass killers are male. Specialists have been screaming that for decades now that we have a crisis among young boys in society. However, that gets lost among all the screeching about made up "wage gap" problems. Why would politicians want to go to bat for males when a whole party has declared maleness to be The Enemy. They even have a term for it : "toxic masculinity". In their eyes, masculinity is inherently toxic and bad.

Life in prison or death penalty, this man will likely burn in Hell for eternity.
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Rujikin wrote:. It's quite sad the gun-free zone failed to prevent yet another mass shooting and deprived the teachers of the ability to protect the students


But it wasn't really a gun free zone. The school had an armed officer on the campus, which apparently had no impact in deterring the shooter. Just goes to show that the presence or absence of others with a gun on site isn't always relevant to an individual's choice of targets.
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Rujikin wrote:. It's quite sad the gun-free zone failed to prevent yet another mass shooting and deprived the teachers of the ability to protect the students


But it wasn't really a gun free zone. The school had an armed officer on the campus, which apparently had no impact in deterring the shooter. Just goes to show that the presence or absence of others with a gun on site isn't always relevant to an individual's choice of targets.


Well, if there was only one person in the school with a board with a nail in it, then clearly, the solution is to give a board with a nail in it to every student.

In seriousness, though, there are some people calling for all teachers to be armed. I don't know what to make of that.
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Mmm smells like copypasta of a news source that has a laughably poor understanding of the internet. What's an IP address, though?


Nope, that is straight from the horse's mouth of the FBI field office:


"No other information was included with that comment which would indicate a time, location or the true identity of the person who made the comment," Lasky said during a news conference. "The FBI conducted database reviews, checks but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment."


Its possibly they hit a point where they would have needed a warrant for Youtube and/or the ISP in question to get further IP information and decided it wasn't worth pursuing.




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That's stretching really hard Runec. Training exercises likely include the shooting range and probably a form of martial arts most likely.


I didn't mean they specifically trained him to do this. I mean that running what were likely military style drills or training would help. It's very clear he planned this out extensively from start to finish and even intended to escape ( which he initially did ). The ROF is a paramilitary group geared towards fighting the government and establishing a white ethnostate by force. Given that and how desperate the group is for attention from other white nationalist groups it's unlikely their training exercises only consist of a shooting range or martial arts.

I'm not about to link their website here but it includes everything from declarations of violence to how to use Dank Memes(tm) to fight liberals online.



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From what I gather, he was raised by a single (always a red flag) adoptive mother. She had passed away about a year ago. As a Catholic, I know that children of single mothers are 30x more likely to be sexually molested than altar boys. From what I've read, single motherhood, as an institution, is kind of a cancer on society. No wonder it has such a stigma in Japan.

We Americans need to start looking into this and seeing how we can reduce the incidence of single motherhood.


As someone raised by a single mother you could start by eating a bag of dicks. Without citation of course so it fits your tastes. -.-




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Another thing worth note is that all of these mass killers are male. Specialists have been screaming that for decades now that we have a crisis among young boys in society. However, that gets lost among all the screeching about made up "wage gap" problems. Why would politicians want to go to bat for males when a whole party has declared maleness to be The Enemy. They even have a term for it : "toxic masculinity". In their eyes, masculinity is inherently toxic and bad.

Life in prison or death penalty, this man will likely burn in Hell for eternity.


How is it that you've so far managed to string together not one but three of the worst possible responses to this situation one could possibly come up with? At least MrSK is just being a cunt. You're actually being serious here.




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http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/

Apparently police have found no connection so far.

As for the Republic of Florida's website, bloody hell, they should pay someone to make their website not suck, I can't believe I made it through that painful experience.
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they might not have pulled the trigger so to speak but they sure as shit loaded the magazine
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As someone raised by a single mother you could start by eating a bag of dicks. Without citation of course so it fits your tastes. -.-



This really only helps my point. Such a childish reaction. "Go eat a bag of dicks"? What are you, twelve?





How is it that you've so far managed to string together not one but three of the worst possible responses to this situation one could possibly come up with? At least MrSK is just being a cunt. You're actually being serious here.






Why are my thoughts "worst possible"? On what grounds and by what standards? Perhaps on the insightful and principled standard of "dickbag-eating" when confronted with facts that offend you personally? Maybe try being a grown-up and stop taking it so personally.

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karatecowboy wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:. It's quite sad the gun-free zone failed to prevent yet another mass shooting and deprived the teachers of the ability to protect the students


But it wasn't really a gun free zone. The school had an armed officer on the campus, which apparently had no impact in deterring the shooter. Just goes to show that the presence or absence of others with a gun on site isn't always relevant to an individual's choice of targets.


Well, if there was only one person in the school with a board with a nail in it, then clearly, the solution is to give a board with a nail in it to every student.

In seriousness, though, there are some people calling for all teachers to be armed. I don't know what to make of that.


A higher likelihood of students getting their hands on firearms I would say. >_>
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The FBI did follow up on it. Field agents interviewed the tipster. But the internet being what it is, they couldn't pin down who or where the commenter was. There was a second tip as well, but the FBI hasn't said what happened to that one yet. Even putting the FBI aside though the guy's social media history is one massive red flag. Couple that with students and teachers all being fully aware he was disturbed and had firearms. Despite all of the red flags around him none of it made it to the right ears and he was able to pass background checks to purchase guns.

Mmm smells like copypasta of a news source that has a laughably poor understanding of the internet. What's an IP address, though?


Considering the FBI can follow up on virtual planners i'm also surprised they didn't stop him. I mean the medical professionals had drills preparing for such an event.


I could see the connection between this mass shooting and terrorism. Like terrorism, the USA intelligence agency had found many people with many red flags and their search on those people often end in false alert; their inability to anticipate such attack should not be a surprise even with this many red flags because such massive red flags of a person often do not predict terrorist attacks.

Second, the terrorism that is often associated to Muslim by Americans is not limited to Muslim; insurgent groups across the world employ the same terrorist methods like the suicide attacks and the attacks toward civilian targets (though it is not always easy to distinguish between civilian targets from military targets).

Third, the Westerners have a very wrong conception of terrorism that is recently clarified by the Western political scientists. The objective of terrorism is not fear or scapegoating material; terrorism is a form of costly propaganda that persuade the target to behave in certain way and it is often successful in its objective. Insurgent groups often use terrorism for their propaganda since they lack credibility to make less violent persuasion. The objective of terrorism include: deter the targets from their occupied area, promoting support from anti-government groups, exposing weakness of the target, or forcing the targeted government to unlease a less discriminated creakdown which provoke neutral communities to join the insurgent. In this school shooting, the likely objective is to deter immigrantion to USA.
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Nope, that is straight from the horse's mouth of the FBI field office:


"No other information was included with that comment which would indicate a time, location or the true identity of the person who made the comment," Lasky said during a news conference. "The FBI conducted database reviews, checks but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment."


Which you read from... likely one of the 4 news sources I went through and read it from.

My critical problem with each and every one of them is that that is where serious critical thought could have been implemented into them, but the status quo of these tragedies is to push gun control.


Its possibly they hit a point where they would have needed a warrant for Youtube and/or the ISP in question to get further IP information and decided it wasn't worth pursuing.

I am glad we reached this point without having to go through pointless deliberation like I am so used to doing on this site. That is exactly all I came here to say.

Whether or not they had more pressing concerns at the time of the initial report is not mine to say; however, I find it incredibly disturbing that they received multiple tips, the oldest of which is 4.5 months old, and that inaction was followed. I find even more disgusting, though predictable, their public statement which is very clear-cut PR.

Lmao. Amusing that slate is the very first site you cite.

And.. you didn't read a single one of those, did you? Save me the trouble and find relevant snippets by source to back up your initial claim [children 30x more likely to face molestation by single mothers].

My childhood also happens to be predominantly single mother.
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Normally we'd say it's time to eat your own words, but I think it's pretty clear it's a bag of dicks upon which you'll feast. You are what you eat! Why i dick eating so familiar to you?



I like how you've edited this like, three times already. Its like a saga of "Oh wait, I got a better one".

That said, I don't altogether disagree with the point that individuals raised by single mothers are more likely to fall into negative outcomes, however, I have to wonder, what exactly are you proposing to be done about it? Identifying a problem (I say "a" problem and not "the" problem, because this is a complicated issue with a large number of contributing causes, not something as simple as "oh, it is single motherhood's fault) is fairly useless if there is no feasible solution to that problem.

I would also like to add that the reason he was raised by a single (adopted) mother was because his (adopted) father had died, so policy solutions on that front somewhat fall flat.


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Whether or not they had more pressing concerns at the time of the initial report is not mine to say; however, I find it incredibly disturbing that they received multiple tips, the oldest of which is 4.5 months old, and that inaction was followed. I find even more disgusting, though predictable, their public statement.


What exactly do you think should have been done here?
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