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Posted 2/23/18 , edited 2/23/18


Wait, what?
The solution to people committing, well, thought crimes is to destroy their livelihood to the point where they become homeless and actual criminals?

People will turn violent if pushed hard enough. I don't think giving someone who has an agenda against other people a compelling reason to act on that agenda is a good idea.

Say you have ye olde racist who has an agenda against black people.
For this, you destroy his life. He is now homeless and pennyless. Since, hey, he's a racist let's banish him from society is the theme here he's not going to get any help at shelters and the like either.
So we now have an individual who has completely fallen from grace, who still has his agenda against black people.
Faced with the choice of starving or committing crime he turns to crime, as you seem to be okay with.
What's to stop that person from making the leap from petty crime to major crime?
They already (still) dislike black people, they're abandoned by society and they're starving. Why not turn to robbing black people to get by?

You've just made the situation worse but hey at least he doesn't discriminate against people in comfort.
Posted 2/23/18 , edited 2/23/18
Well said mfritsch.
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Posted 2/23/18 , edited 2/23/18
if I didn't buy things that people stated (actors, writers, etc) my collection would be a poor and short collection. I don't let idiotic opinions and/or actions ruin what I think of someone. granted when they dip their wick somewhere it doesn't belong it becomes harder to find their stuff, but, I don't consider them guilty until the law/judge does, not because of he said/she said situations.
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Posted 2/23/18 , edited 2/23/18

mfritsch wrote:



Wait, what?
The solution to people committing, well, thought crimes is to destroy their livelihood to the point where they become homeless and actual criminals?

People will turn violent if pushed hard enough. I don't think giving someone who has an agenda against other people a compelling reason to act on that agenda is a good idea.

Say you have ye olde racist who has an agenda against black people.
For this, you destroy his life. He is now homeless and pennyless. Since, hey, he's a racist let's banish him from society is the theme here he's not going to get any help at shelters and the like either.
So we now have an individual who has completely fallen from grace, who still has his agenda against black people.
Faced with the choice of starving or committing crime he turns to crime, as you seem to be okay with.
What's to stop that person from making the leap from petty crime to major crime?
They already (still) dislike black people, they're abandoned by society and they're starving. Why not turn to robbing black people to get by?

You've just made the situation worse but hey at least he doesn't discriminate against people in comfort.

they would probably rob anybody. But if what you say does turn out to be the case, then we should just put them in forced labor camps for the rest of their lifes

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Posted 2/23/18 , edited 2/24/18
I'm fine with people choosing to not purchase something, for whatever reason. It's their money, after all. What I have a problem with is the double-standard of mobbing and destroying peoples' lives in the name of "goodness," much less, doing so over mere opinions. Mere opinions, mind you. In general, I don't support thought-crime and mob rule, especially when they go hand-in-hand. I do find that folks tend to forget that the truly dangerous people in our history aren't those who simply bark(ed) in the wind.
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Posted 2/26/18 , edited 2/26/18

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Do people with unpopular opinions have the right to make money?
There have been many times I have heard people say, "I won't support this author because of their private opinions," or "They shouldn't be allowed to make money," or "If they become popular, people will listen to them." To me, this seems like a poor attitude. People's works should be bought because we like the work, not because we like the people. Also, isn't boycotting merchandise and art produced by people who hold unpopular opinion so they can't effectvely voice them a form of censorship? What's the point of free speech if the mob has an "agree with us or we'll get you fired and unable to prosper" mentality?


Obviously there is nothing wrong with boycotting merchandise or art or whatever from a person or source one disagrees with.
That is different then stating that stating they should have the right to attempt to sell their product. There are plenty of companies I refuse to buy from from one reason or another, but that doesn't mean I am advocating the banning of businesses from operating that I disagree with or silencing people who I will never financially support.

For a business, private citizens deciding whether or not to purchase a product is a personal decision. On the flip side, I believe that controversial opinions are protected under the first amendment right to free speech ought to be protected. That doesn't mean that society owes somebody money simply because they want to make it. Should I racist be able to sue when those they offend refuse to buy their product, should a bigot be able to sue those who support LGBT rights that refuse to buy merchandise from said bigot? Seems like utter nonsense to me.
You mentioned it is wrong to boycott a work based on who made it rather than based on the product itself. I don't care how good of a game it is they make I will never buy an EA game while they push their micro-transaction crap on others. In this example, I have boycotted a corporation based on previous actions or their point of view rather than on individual titles or works they have created. Don't consumers have the right to buy what they want based on whatever reasoning they decide? Damn right they do!

Basically, unpopular speech is protected, the social fallout from said speech or actions are the consequences individuals or corporations must pay when offending or demeaning others who they want their message to reach or those they want to buy their products. I will defend your right to say whatever you wish as long as you are not advocating acts of violence against others, it does not mean I will defend your point of view or financially support you.
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Posted 2/26/18 , edited 2/27/18
This isn't a socialist hell hole. No one has the right to make money. You make money because you provide value to someone else who has money and is willing to pay for whatever services you offer them.
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Posted 2/28/18 , edited 2/28/18
Yes. if you try to stop someone who has a different opinion or "unpopular" one, from speaking you're just a bigot.
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Posted 3/2/18 , edited 3/3/18
What an odd question. Worded badly I suspect.

Yes, anyone has the "right" to make money. In the civilised West we call that "living I a free society"

Their opinions may affect their audience or customer engagement, but it doesn't (shouldn't) affect their Right to run a business or get a job.

What sort of strict caste-based societal hell-hole do you live in jtjumper?
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Posted 3/2/18 , edited 3/3/18
Do people who don't like you have the right to make an example out of you as a warning to others?

Should those who commit "thought crime" be put in ovens because they hurt your feelings or dared to challenge "the narrative"?

Would you like to live in such a society, and how long before you will be thrown up against the wall because "reasons"...

Remember, revolutions always devour there own and the "useful idiots" are the first to be sent to the gulags.


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Posted 3/2/18 , edited 3/3/18
to put it simply, everyone deserves the right to make money, and they DO have the right to make money. anyone who says peeps shouldnt be allowed to have money is just unreasonable and dumb
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