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If i have this right, both animes take place inside a video game, both main characters are over powered, however kirito i remember losing some battles. kirito is a human player who is over leveled and was way ahead then everyone else, got hes teams killed, and worked alone. XXX as Ainz Ooal Gown has already done the same and seems to be in charge as he too is over leveled and has a mighty magic tool. he doesnt really sound evil but a boy trapped in a adult or godly body, he explains that he as no friends as they all left from trying to get those magic colored balls but we see later he has said army as he calls them for a meeting, has them set up a defense for no reason. again it seems like he already won and has nothing to do, thus it opens up slow and boring, he acts surprised to see others around this digital world and how some humans have magic, if hes in some sort of game and is this far, why is so surprised and worried? i ask cause its really confusing and poorly done
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SAO was an active game in-world. Like playing an MMO now.

Overlord starts with the game servers being shut down. The main guy is logged in to the bitter end and when the servers go down he's suddenly in the game in a new world instead of being logged out and back at home.

Overlord's guy knows he's in a semi-game world. His items and magic from the real game translate over, but the "game world" is completely different and the NPCs are real people instead of, well, NPCs. It's more like Log Horizon than SAO in game-form.

Overlord's guy initially thought he was the only "real earth" human to come across to what he is in now, but events have made him suspect others may also be there. Logically the most dedicated players would be still active in an MMO with a shut-down date, so it's likely more than 1 would be logged in until forced out so will have translated over.
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Posted 3/3/18 , edited 3/4/18
The only thing I can suggest is that you go back and actually watch the shows this time.

Kirito's thing wasn't that he was overlevelled, it's that he played the beta. He knew where the 'best' experience and quests were. He was called a 'cheater' for knowing that stuff, improving his survival rate. Sword Art Online took place in a series of game worlds.

Overlord is about a max level player who somehow wakes up in another world, in the body and surroundings of the game he was playing. It's not the same game world, if it is in fact a game world at all. His sole goal is to find his friends, if possible, and the defense of Nazarick, at any cost.
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gornotck wrote:

The only thing I can suggest is that you go back and actually watch the shows this time.

Kirito's thing wasn't that he was overlevelled, it's that he played the beta. He knew where the 'best' experience and quests were. He was called a 'cheater' for knowing that stuff, improving his survival rate. Sword Art Online took place in a series of game worlds.

Overlord is about a max level player who somehow wakes up in another world, in the body and surroundings of the game he was playing. It's not the same game world, if it is in fact a game world at all. His sole goal is to find his friends, if possible, and the defense of Nazarick, at any cost.


Small correction, Kirito did end up overleveled - as you said he states that due to being a beta player he knew what to do from the start and started grinding immidiately. His soloing and stacking levels and stats caused part of his rediculous strength in the anime which he shows off in the fight against the orange players on the bridge in SAO season 1 and he points out not long before the Gleam eyes.

However you are right, OVER level doesnt = MAX level...

Reality is Kirito won alot by fighting enemies below him and so did Ains but kirito was still fighting upwards into the unknown, Ains is fighting knowing he has reached his peak in the old world and is looking for new advantages and information in the new world and then simply taking them... different concept.

Kirito is the challenger in a world he meant to go to even if in a different form, Ains is the invader in a world he never thought he would be in.

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So the whole overpowered dynamic in stories isn't bad, it's how you use it that's bad.

Villains can be overpowered, heroes usually should not be, not for the entirety of the story at any rate.

The reason for this is, stories work around characters tackling problems. If a character has a '1 size fits all' solution to every problem, then that is the entire story. It's simply the repetition of the character essentially solving the same problem over and over and over again.

On the other hand, a villain is always the root of the problem in the story. The more powerful the villain, the more complex the problem, and the more ingenuity the solution requires. This situation creates a very involved story.

Kirito, when he is playing an MMO anyway (he's a pretty decent character in the real world), has only 1 solution to every problem. The fact that he can essentially crush it with brute force. He's also the undeniable hero, meaning he normally does not generate problems, just eliminate them.

Momonga on the other hand, is both a hero and a villain. He is overpowered, but he only solves certain problems, which end up developing other problems. Momonga isn't so much playing an MMO, as he is playing a combination of The Sims and Warcraft 3. The story also focuses on the people affected both positively and negatively by Momonga's actions. It's a power fantasy, but it doesn't fall into the trap of being a simple brute force, save the girl, become the hero type of power fantasy.
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At this point, I don't care about either anime and I don't care much for X vs Y threads either.
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I haven't even watched overlord but it's most likely better than SAO
It's very rare for an anime to be worse than SAO
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Overlord FTW!
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Posted 3/9/18 , edited 5/13/18

gornotck wrote:

The only thing I can suggest is that you go back and actually watch the shows this time.

Kirito's thing wasn't that he was overlevelled, it's that he played the beta. He knew where the 'best' experience and quests were. He was called a 'cheater' for knowing that stuff, improving his survival rate. Sword Art Online took place in a series of game worlds.

Overlord is about a max level player who somehow wakes up in another world, in the body and surroundings of the game he was playing. It's not the same game world, if it is in fact a game world at all. His sole goal is to find his friends, if possible, and the defense of Nazarick, at any cost.


WRONG.
hes already in the game, you cant wake up and wake up again the the game world
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Posted 3/9/18 , edited 5/13/18

Darkwolf068 wrote:

WRONG.
hes already in the game, you cant wake up and wake up again the the game world


The world Ainz wakes up in uses the magic and leveling system from the game he had previously been playing, but it's treated as a real world in which even his NPCs take on personalities that can evolve beyond their in-game flavor text. Overlord is an isekai story, not a trapped in an mmo story.
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Yes? Well, this is a discussion about the two cartoon shows. So, SAO is about a player that has been/was a beta tester for a MMO. He gets stuck in the game and can't get out. Then comes the part that really bugs me, Kirito as a beta tester should not be able to Hack the system. I have been a beta tester for 2 online games. We played the game trying out all the in's and out's of the system. Report any bugs or system cheats to the developers. Sure, we learned how to level rapidly, what works and doesn't work in the game. But, at no time did we ever get any special "Powers" that gave us an advantage in the game over Noobs. GM's do but Kirito isn't a GM. He is just OP to allow the story line to progress. BAH.
Overlord? Lord Aines is a player in an MMO as well. He plays according to the game rules. The games has run its course and the servers are being shut down. The other players in his guild have all moved on to other things except for our die-hard protag. Protag-kun while waiting for the server shutdown recalls various events of the past. And, as guildmaster fiddles with Albedo's programing for fun. Boy is he surprised when stuff continues after the servers should have shutdown. He finds he is no longer in a MMO game. He finds NPC's are no longer NPC's. He finds blah blah blah. Point is, he is in another world not a game anymore. He takes responsibility for the safety and well-being of everything he and his guildmates have built. Is this show good? Hell yes!!!! I laughed so hard when Albedo made her own body pillow of Lord Aines to sleep with. Anyway, the cartoons are completely different.
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Posted 5/13/18 , edited 5/13/18
And now we compare SAO to Overlord. Cool.
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Posted 5/13/18 , edited 5/13/18
Hey guys!

Remember when we used to compare SAO and DanMachi?

Good times...
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Posted 5/13/18 , edited 5/13/18

xxJing wrote:

So the whole overpowered dynamic in stories isn't bad, it's how you use it that's bad.

Villains can be overpowered, heroes usually should not be, not for the entirety of the story at any rate.

The reason for this is, stories work around characters tackling problems. If a character has a '1 size fits all' solution to every problem, then that is the entire story. It's simply the repetition of the character essentially solving the same problem over and over and over again.

On the other hand, a villain is always the root of the problem in the story. The more powerful the villain, the more complex the problem, and the more ingenuity the solution requires. This situation creates a very involved story.

Kirito, when he is playing an MMO anyway (he's a pretty decent character in the real world), has only 1 solution to every problem. The fact that he can essentially crush it with brute force. He's also the undeniable hero, meaning he normally does not generate problems, just eliminate them.

Momonga on the other hand, is both a hero and a villain. He is overpowered, but he only solves certain problems, which end up developing other problems. Momonga isn't so much playing an MMO, as he is playing a combination of The Sims and Warcraft 3. The story also focuses on the people affected both positively and negatively by Momonga's actions. It's a power fantasy, but it doesn't fall into the trap of being a simple brute force, save the girl, become the hero type of power fantasy.


This is a good point. Momonga is WAY more over powered than Kirito ever was. He is basically a strait up God in this new world he finds himself, but what makes his story still interesting is it is man vs the unknown and more importantly man vs himself. Ainz greatest enemy is consistently the repercussions of his own actions and the gradual erosion of his humanty. Although this is getting into spoiler territory Ainz is growing increasingly cold and less human as time passes in this new world. It is likely a combination of the fact he is trapped in a body that literally is no longer human and the idea that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Kirito on the other hand was always a story of him overcoming various obstacles and villains to achieve his end goal. He is not the villain in his own story the way Momonga can be.
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