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Post Reply I've made a petition because of the "licencing problem" of crunchyroll
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
First: Yes I agree the homepage should determine your region so as not to tease. That would be extraordinarily frustrating.

Second: Don't take whole screenshots of your screen and post them online for any reason. It's a risky practice because you might accidentally include private details about yourself like the files on your desktop, URL addresses in your browser bar or open browser tabs, or even personally identifiable information.

Always use a specific screenshot capture tool for only what you intend, and always check it multiple times before posting anywhere.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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There's still a problem though, i don't talk about the licences, it's just a problem that should be fixed about the crunchyroll localisation, some anime are still displayed in the crunchyroll anime home page (even sometimes at the first page) but when we click on it we learn we can't watch it because we're french

wouldn't it be better to simply not display anime we can't watch instead of playing with nerves of people ?


here's an example


It's because two out of four seasons of Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA are available in your country.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

srlan23 wrote:


Pikachuk wrote:

There's still a problem though, i don't talk about the licences, it's just a problem that should be fixed about the crunchyroll localisation, some anime are still displayed in the crunchyroll anime home page (even sometimes at the first page) but when we click on it we learn we can't watch it because we're french

wouldn't it be better to simply not display anime we can't watch instead of playing with nerves of people ?


here's an example


It's because two out of four seasons of Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA are available in your country.


I noticed it, but putting in the front page an anime where only the last seasons and not the first seasons are available, i mean, usually the front page is used to find new things to watch, someone who already knows the anime would search for it, but someone who doesn't know the anime couldn't start with the last seasons without being able to watch the beginning, putting it as a featured anime of the front page is pretty frustrating
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

Pikachuk wrote:

hmm weird the images seem to not appear correctly in the forum


Put them in quote tags.
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Pikachuk wrote:

hmm weird the images seem to not appear correctly in the forum


Put them in quote tags.


I'll try it next time, thanks

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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18

Pikachuk wrote:


srlan23 wrote:


Pikachuk wrote:

There's still a problem though, i don't talk about the licences, it's just a problem that should be fixed about the crunchyroll localisation, some anime are still displayed in the crunchyroll anime home page (even sometimes at the first page) but when we click on it we learn we can't watch it because we're french

wouldn't it be better to simply not display anime we can't watch instead of playing with nerves of people ?


here's an example


It's because two out of four seasons of Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA are available in your country.


I noticed it, but putting in the front page an anime where only the last seasons and not the first seasons are available, i mean, usually the front page is used to find new things to watch, someone who already knows the anime would search for it, but someone who doesn't know the anime couldn't start with the last seasons without being able to watch the beginning, putting it as a featured anime of the front page is pretty frustrating


They didn't put it there, they list it based on popularity unless you change the setting.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18

Pikachuk wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Pikachuk wrote:

hmm weird the images seem to not appear correctly in the forum


Put them in quote tags.


I'll try it next time, thanks



You should be able to edit it, regardless of the time between its creations and any edit you wish to make. Simply bracket it the same quote tags these quotes above us.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

You should be able to edit it, regardless of the time between its creations and any edit you wish to make. Simply bracket it the same quote tags these quotes above us.


I've fixed it
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18
I see Pikachuk's frustration on the region-locking thing. However, his bad grammar makes hard for me to take him seriously.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18

kadmos1 wrote:

I see Pikachuk's frustration on the region-locking thing. However, his bad grammar makes hard for me to take him seriously.


About the grammar, english is not my native language, i still have some things to improve
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CR is a legal site, and therefore must legally obtain licenses to stream, as well as comply with the laws of other countries. If you live in "insert country here" and your country disallows the streaming of certain shows (or not on CR, at least), you will not be able to watch it on CR. Animation studios, etc... make business arrangements with legal streaming sites and countries. This ensures that they are legally paid for their services. Pirating sites, on the other hand, illegally stream whatever they want to whoever they want and do not work with red tape, because they are illegal. You are demanding illegal services for free that cheat animators and whatnot out of income. Yes, is it certainly frustrating to not be able to see what you want; however, it is grossly inappropriate and dishonest to proclaim "discrimination/racism."
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Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

CR is a legal site, and therefore must legally obtain licenses to stream, as well as comply with the laws of other countries. If you live in "insert country here" and your country disallows the streaming of certain shows (or not on CR, at least), you will not be able to watch it on CR. Animation studios, etc... make business arrangements with legal streaming sites and countries. This ensures that they are legally paid for their services. Pirating sites, on the other hand, illegally stream whatever they want to whoever they want and do not work with red tape, because they are illegal. You are demanding illegal services for free that cheat animators and whatnot out of income. Yes, is it certainly frustrating to not be able to see what you want; however, it is grossly inappropriate and dishonest to proclaim "discrimination/racism."


about the licencing i understand, however talking about "demanding illegal services for free" "???" i'm paying the crunchyroll subscriptions and the way studios are paid is depending on the anime we watch, the only people that could lose money is only the editor that bought the rights in said country because of competition, but competition is never a bad thing, it's because of competition that progress was made
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18
Pikachuk, since Eng. is not your native language, I give you more leeway. However, I do agree with the region-lock should go away. Also, let's not forget that it was between Thanksgiving 2008-1/10/2009 that Crunchyroll removed a lot of their old catalog. Yes, CR used to stream fan subs.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

Pikachuk wrote:
And ? that's the exact goal of capitalism
Competition !
Each service must be able to gain customers through commercial moves, not through monopolisation


Company A and B are in different markets serving different languages. Competition would be difficult. An American service isn't going to be able to serve streaming content to France as well as a local service in France can or visa versa. Just based on internet infrastructure alone. Nor would it be worth the money to either one of them to try. So its mutually beneficial between them to stay out of each other's yard and mutually beneficial between them and the studio to obtain exclusive rights.

That's capitalism.

Competition is not the goal of capitalism. Profit is.



kadmos1 wrote:
Pikachuk, since Eng. is not your native language, I give you more leeway. However, I do agree with the region-lock should go away. Also, let's not forget that it was between Thanksgiving 2008-1/10/2009 that Crunchyroll removed a lot of their old catalog. Yes, CR used to stream fan subs.


Well, CR transitioned to a legal service. They can't really be faulted for that.

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Pikachuk wrote:

I've made this petition knowing the problem crunchyroll (and the other simulcast services) have and i've suggested an alternative to allow people to watch their anime legally un crunchyroll even out of region without using a VPN which is against the crunchyroll rules (i don't know who made this rule but it's not a good thing)


The international copyright laws have made this rule. If CR allows people to use a VPN they are basically accomplices to a crime because it enables people to bypass the law.



the alternative i've suggested would be an option of the website, this option would add button, depending on the country chosed by this button, Crunchyroll would use ONLY the server from this country and wouldn't use the local server, so stream speed could be slower, but since the server streaming the anime would be in the legal zone of the licence of this anime, crunchyroll could legally stream this anime and the viewer would just have a slower speed but would be able to see the anime he wanted to see.


This is illegal. Licence laws do not state where your server is allowed to be, they state where the content is allowed to go.




In the US people don't have this problem, but in France it's a huge problem, because editors tend to monopolise the anime and don't allow anyone else to get it, so it means that in France, people MUST be subscribed to :
Crunchyroll,ADN,Wakanime,Amazon Prime, Netflix and J-One which is really unfair and counter productive


It's a business model. As consumers we don't like this model but as a producer, would you prefer to sell your product once for one price or would you prefer to sell 5 or more licences and have the buyers bid on a country/language/region and get the highest price for each licence?

In the Netherlands it's the same situation, if you want to watch all the shows you're interested in you need Crunchyroll, Netflix, Amazon, HiDive and Viewster. In the end streaming Anime is a product that is produced and distributed. As a consumer you need to decide how much money you're willing to spend.

We do the same for physical consumption goods. At least, I'm assuming that when you go shopping for printed Manga or jeans or whatever; you can't just buy all the items you want, you have to choose how to spend your money. So why would digital consumption be any different?

Or a different example: I have a paid library subscription but the library doesn't have all the books I want to read. Sometimes they can get it from the interlibrary network but sometimes a title just isn't available and I have to decide whether or not I want to buy it at a book-store.
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