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A university in Wisconsin wants to gut Liberal Arts majors

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Though I 100,000% believe a person has every right to major in any field they want, I also believe a college has the right to drop a course, for whatever reason. I mean, it's not like there are countless other colleges out there one could go to if obtaining a Liberal Arts degree is their passion. And, in all honestly, let's face it... a Liberal Arts degree is worth about as much as a piece of toilet paper in this day of age. Actually, a piece of toilet paper may be worth more, since you can at least comfortably wipe you ass with that & not risk the chance of getting a nasty paper cut on your anus. And this is coming from someone pursuing a Cultural Anthropology degree, which is about equally worthless. But hey, it's my passion. Well, besides the two decades I've put in studying, writing, recording & performing music. WHY ARE MY ONLY PASSIONS IN LIFE SO COMPLETELY FINANCIALLY WORTHLESS?!
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Though I 100,000% believe a person has every right to major in any field they want, I also believe a college has the right to drop a course, for whatever reason. I mean, it's not like there are countless other colleges out there one could go to if obtaining a Liberal Arts degree is their passion. And, in all honestly, let's face it... a Liberal Arts degree is worth about as much as a piece of toilet paper in this day of age. Actually, a piece of toilet paper may be worth more, since you can at least comfortably wipe you ass with that & not risk the chance of getting a nasty paper cut on your anus. And this is coming from someone pursuing a Cultural Anthropology degree, which is about equally worthless. But hey, it's my passion. Well, besides the two decades I've put in studying, writing, recording & performing music. WHY ARE MY ONLY PASSIONS IN LIFE SO COMPLETELY FINANCIALLY WORTHLESS?!


Without going one by one on your points I'll just leave you with two questions, Does a subject have to be financially translatable to be more valuable? Why should the market decide what subjects are more valuable in schools or how does market appeal translate into a school system where you have to consider a persons financial situation, location, and personal needs and desires.
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Without going one by one on your points I'll just leave you with two questions, Does a subject have to be financially translatable to be more valuable? Why should the market decide what subjects are more valuable in schools or how does market appeal translate into a school system where you have to consider a persons financial situation, location, and personal needs and desires.


The market gives us the forces of supply and demand, which are measurable. For example, if you have a degree in which 0 people are enrolling to study on a regular basis then there is 0 demand for the degree, and spending valuable resources on it is wasteful. Commercially useful higher skills will always have more demand than leisurely or very academic areas of study. People studying English history should not bite the hand that feeds them, as they are very much supported by the market value of those employable areas of study.
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Though I 100,000% believe a person has every right to major in any field they want, I also believe a college has the right to drop a course, for whatever reason. I mean, it's not like there are countless other colleges out there one could go to if obtaining a Liberal Arts degree is their passion. And, in all honestly, let's face it... a Liberal Arts degree is worth about as much as a piece of toilet paper in this day of age. Actually, a piece of toilet paper may be worth more, since you can at least comfortably wipe you ass with that & not risk the chance of getting a nasty paper cut on your anus. And this is coming from someone pursuing a Cultural Anthropology degree, which is about equally worthless. But hey, it's my passion. Well, besides the two decades I've put in studying, writing, recording & performing music. WHY ARE MY ONLY PASSIONS IN LIFE SO COMPLETELY FINANCIALLY WORTHLESS?!


Without going one by one on your points I'll just leave you with two questions, Does a subject have to be financially translatable to be more valuable? Why should the market decide what subjects are more valuable in schools or how does market appeal translate into a school system where you have to consider a persons financial situation, location, and personal needs and desires.


You're using two very different definitions of the word "valuable" in the same question/s. Something can be extremely valuable on an emotional or sentimental level, but of little to no value on a financial level. At the same time, something could be considered as having immense value on a financial level, but hollow on an emotional level. For better or worse, the market decides what is valuable based on the law of supply & demand. That's how a capitalistic society works. Unfortunately that also means it's much more difficult for small businesses who are truly passionate about their craft to succeed if they're in a location where their business and/or products have little value in their respective community, despite the fact that there may be a large market for the products / services they offer on a national or international level. I mean, it's all very basic economics.
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Less choice eh? Sounds like fun. Hahaha.
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Without going one by one on your points I'll just leave you with two questions, Does a subject have to be financially translatable to be more valuable? Why should the market decide what subjects are more valuable in schools or how does market appeal translate into a school system where you have to consider a persons financial situation, location, and personal needs and desires.


The market gives us the forces of supply and demand, which are measurable. For example, if you have a degree in which 0 people are enrolling to study on a regular basis then there is 0 demand for the degree, and spending valuable resources on it is wasteful. Commercially useful higher skills will always have more demand than leisurely or very academic areas of study. People studying English history should not bite the hand that feeds them, as they are very much supported by the market value of those employable areas of study.


^^^ This guy gets it. A+. When I started college I originally went for a business economics degree, but after a year of various economics & probability and statistics courses, I became incredibly uninterested & disheartened by the whole pursuit of dedicating my adult life to it so I switched to something I was passionate about; Cultural Anthropology. And I fully understood & still understand that financially it's of little value, but on a personal level it's of great value to me.
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The market gives us the forces of supply and demand, which are measurable. For example, if you have a degree in which 0 people are enrolling to study on a regular basis then there is 0 demand for the degree, and spending valuable resources on it is wasteful. Commercially useful higher skills will always have more demand than leisurely or very academic areas of study. People studying English history should not bite the hand that feeds them, as they are very much supported by the market value of those employable areas of study.


^^^ This guy gets it. A+. When I started college I originally went for a business economics degree, but after a year of various economics & probability and statistics courses, I became incredibly uninterested & disheartened by the whole pursuit of dedicating my adult life to it so I switched to something I was passionate about; Cultural Anthropology. And I fully understood & still understand that financially it's of little value, but on a personal level it's of great value to me.


I started out studying biology with a minor in music. After two years I switch to MIS with a minor in website design and administration. It was a long-thought choice. I decided that while IT might not be as intellectually satisfying to me, it would provide me with a good life, the ability to provide for my future family, and a steady measure of success via that number on the paycheck. I can do my more intellectual things on the side, and even utilize my tech skills toward my personal interests, should I want.

I would have loved to study something like medieval literature and art in pursuit of a degree, or paleontology. However, what the market values is not necessarily what I value. In order to get a paycheck that meets my needs and the needs of my future family I have to provide them with something they value. It's a sacrifice I made for myself and for them.

My advice on the matter, for people in general, would be this:

You're accepted to a university, and you're pondering this conundrum. That tells me you have both some brains and some intellectual curiosity that drives you to pursue these enrichment studies. Get a degree that has market value first. If you do that, then you can afford to go back and get as many enrichment degrees as you want.
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I'm not subscribed to the WP so I can't read the article but I'm assuming this is due to a push from the right?



No, it's not a conspiracy. It's been a long-running trend.


From, what? Pay scale? What reason does a university have to cut everything but STEMS?


A basic web search would cough up multiple articles telling you various reasons

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/12/the-real-reason-the-humanities-are-in-crisis/282441/

Anything but a conspiracy.
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Huzzah! Cutting the fat from education that just results in no one getting a job from it! Save the students money and not make them debt slaves with a useless degree. I aplaud them.
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Now if only they could do that for all universities. Maybe that will help reduce the amount of left wing extremism rampant on campuses.
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Never trust anyone trying to burn books or gut the education system. They are either people trying to do intentional harm to a society or imbeciles that have already been duped into doing it for them. Ignorant people are easier to manipulate and control. Our country continues its gradual slip into decline and ignorance. Look at how our education level compares to that of the rest of the civilized world charted out over the last five decades.
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Never trust anyone trying to burn books or gut the education system. They are either people trying to do intentional harm to a society or imbeciles that have already been duped into doing it for them. Ignorant people are easier to manipulate and control. Our country continues its gradual slip into decline and ignorance. Look at how our education level compares to that of the rest of the civilized world charted out over the last five decades.


Degrees in mongolian flute wrestling do not help us either. We need more people getting trade skills and learning how to fix things that are broken or create things. Degrees in feminism are 100% pointless and have no job value.
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MeltingSky wrote:

Never trust anyone trying to burn books or gut the education system. They are either people trying to do intentional harm to a society or imbeciles that have already been duped into doing it for them. Ignorant people are easier to manipulate and control. Our country continues its gradual slip into decline and ignorance. Look at how our education level compares to that of the rest of the civilized world charted out over the last five decades.


Degrees in mongolian flute wrestling do not help us either. We need more people getting trade skills and learning how to fix things that are broken or create things. Degrees in feminism are 100% pointless and have no job value.


Cause English degrees = feminism? Look, trade degrees are only as good as the people involved in them, and if the people involved are completely devoid of any sort culture they are likely to not do or create much. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a snarky liberal feminist crazy snow flake thingy so it's likely you won't listen at all.
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These days getting a trade is far better a return on investment than most 4 and 6 yr degrees. Mike rowe says it best here

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1896692780340856&id=116999698310182
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