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Never heard of this before, I liked the first episode, but I didn't like the sudden ending though. I will be watching more, who can ask anything more than epic space battles?
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Yes Siegfried, I AM FRUSTRATED.
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Aw man, only 12 episodes? I can tell just from the first one that it's just not enough episodes to tell this sort of story!
Welp, time to hunt down the original....
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I think I like the Alliance (UN) ship designs somewhat more than the Empire (Reich) ship designs. It shouldn't surprise me that the UN lost communications without noticing, and required all their ships to have permission to defend themselves, but it did seem kind of contrived. Secondary, the Reich staff claiming that there was no precedent for attacking a smaller force, part of a larger force, that was not properly in place to be supported by two other forces (each small). Even setting that aside, their system of procedures says that once the enemy fleet can no longer resist, they go in and kill all the survivors individually? In space, somebody has to help you breathe. Reinhardt didn't win these battles because of any real talent, but because his enemy was too stupid to live until Paella went down and was replaced by a younger man.
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Welp just got to see the ep and have to say i am surprised ... ep 1 was almost a perfect recreation of ep 1 of the original ! After one ep i can tell ima enjoy this more than the original ... Also people who say the cgi ships looks bad really need to get an eye control ..
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gornotck wrote:

I think I like the Alliance (UN) ship designs somewhat more than the Empire (Reich) ship designs. It shouldn't surprise me that the UN lost communications without noticing, and required all their ships to have permission to defend themselves, but it did seem kind of contrived. Secondary, the Reich staff claiming that there was no precedent for attacking a smaller force, part of a larger force, that was not properly in place to be supported by two other forces (each small). Even setting that aside, their system of procedures says that once the enemy fleet can no longer resist, they go in and kill all the survivors individually? In space, somebody has to help you breathe. Reinhardt didn't win these battles because of any real talent, but because his enemy was too stupid to live until Paella went down and was replaced by a younger man.


I wouldn't question Reinhardt's intellect and his balls are size of grapefruit
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Posted 4/4/18 , edited 4/4/18
I've been interested in this series since I saw it all over the place when I was in Japan in the late 80s. Back in the day before their economic bubble burst and the was plenty of talent and money to make a 100+ episode OAV series. There also seemed to be a strategy PC game out at the time. I wonder if it was ever updated since then?

I thought i'd have to get a sub to HiDive to watch it but it seems I can get a more compact version with better animation here.
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I've heard of this series, but never watched it before.

I'm on the fence with the first episode. The space battles are almost interesting enough to keep watching, but the reliance on handing the rebels the idiot ball until Reinhardt finds himself need deep in the third portion of the rebels just feels hollow. What kind of fleet is tries something like a three point pincer move without keeping constant contact with each other and an eye on where the enemy is? By all rights the empire should have been slammed on both sides after plowing into the first fleet.
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I've heard of this series, but never watched it before.

I'm on the fence with the first episode. The space battles are almost interesting enough to keep watching, but the reliance on handing the rebels the idiot ball until Reinhardt finds himself need deep in the third portion of the rebels just feels hollow. What kind of fleet is tries something like a three point pincer move without keeping constant contact with each other and an eye on where the enemy is? By all rights the empire should have been slammed on both sides after plowing into the first fleet.


The show is honestly supposed to be more about politics and philosophy than it is about intricate battles.

The running theme is, what's better?

A benevolent dictatorship that works efficiently but risks becoming tyrannical at the death of the benevolent dictator.

Or an unefficient republic that easily suffers from corruption and beaurocracy hangups but is safe from being overrun by a despotic regime because of all the checks and balances in place.
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qwueri wrote:

I've heard of this series, but never watched it before.

I'm on the fence with the first episode. The space battles are almost interesting enough to keep watching, but the reliance on handing the rebels the idiot ball until Reinhardt finds himself need deep in the third portion of the rebels just feels hollow. What kind of fleet is tries something like a three point pincer move without keeping constant contact with each other and an eye on where the enemy is? By all rights the empire should have been slammed on both sides after plowing into the first fleet.



I think you guys don't get that relativistic speeds would add a huge amount to the fog of war in space. At speeds approaching light speed ships appear differently. Light also takes a long time to reach you. I can envision a Fog of war scenario given relativistic problems with light speed, since photons would be the fastest particle in the universe we currently know to exist.
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I think you guys don't get that relativistic speeds would add a huge amount to the fog of war in space. At speeds approaching light speed ships appear differently. Light also takes a long time to reach you. I can envision a Fog of war scenario given relativistic problems with light speed, since photons would be the fastest particle in the universe we currently know to exist.


I would hope that in an era where ships can approach ftl that communications would be doing likewise, and that they're relying on more than a visuals to detect an enemy (otherwise the empire should be in the same boat of not being able to pinpoint exactly where the enemy fleets were). And the show wasn't emphasizing a fog of war, the rebel generals were painted as complacent and incompetent.
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qwueri wrote:I would hope that in an era where ships can approach ftl that communications would be doing likewise, and that they're relying on more than a visuals to detect an enemy (otherwise the empire should be in the same boat of not being able to pinpoint exactly where the enemy fleets were). And the show wasn't emphasizing a fog of war, the rebel generals were painted as complacent and incompetent.

I think that you're still missing the point here, for LotGH war is more about psychology then technology alone. Battles are depicted as personal struggles between the opposing leaders, as each commander tries to out think their opponent... often with disastrous results and millions of lives lost. So, the FPA commanders weren't so much incompetent as simply stuck in their ways, unable to adapt to unorthodox tactics. This is also true of the Imperial side as well, with Reinhard facing plenty of dissension in his own ranks from his more conservative subordinates.
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Holofernes wrote:

I think you guys don't get that relativistic speeds would add a huge amount to the fog of war in space. At speeds approaching light speed ships appear differently. Light also takes a long time to reach you. I can envision a Fog of war scenario given relativistic problems with light speed, since photons would be the fastest particle in the universe we currently know to exist.


I would hope that in an era where ships can approach ftl that communications would be doing likewise, and that they're relying on more than a visuals to detect an enemy (otherwise the empire should be in the same boat of not being able to pinpoint exactly where the enemy fleets were). And the show wasn't emphasizing a fog of war, the rebel generals were painted as complacent and incompetent.


They gave us a sci-fi answer with "space jamming" already. The author of the series is also a student of history. You don't have to look very far to find incompetent generals in history either. Ever read about Horatio Gates, or George Armstrong Custer? WW 1 had a huge number of incompetent generals Conrad von Hotzendorf is legendary. There are plenty of real world examples of battle incompetence.
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Holofernes wrote:

They gave us a sci-fi answer with "space jamming" already. The author of the series is also a student of history. You don't have to look very far to find incompetent generals in history either. Ever read about Horatio Gates, or George Armstrong Custer? WW 1 had a huge number of incompetent generals Conrad von Hotzendorf is legendary. There are plenty of real world examples of battle incompetence.


"Space jamming" works for the fleet being attacked, not so much for the fleets it's coordinating with not realizing they had lost contact with the central fleet they would need to be communicating with to effectively pull off any sort of pincer attack. Historically incompetent generals does not make handing the idiot ball to a bunch of mook generals any more interesting to watch.
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Posted 4/5/18 , edited 4/5/18

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Holofernes wrote:

They gave us a sci-fi answer with "space jamming" already. The author of the series is also a student of history. You don't have to look very far to find incompetent generals in history either. Ever read about Horatio Gates, or George Armstrong Custer? WW 1 had a huge number of incompetent generals Conrad von Hotzendorf is legendary. There are plenty of real world examples of battle incompetence.


"Space jamming" works for the fleet being attacked, not so much for the fleets it's coordinating with not realizing they had lost contact with the central fleet they would need to be communicating with to effectively pull off any sort of pincer attack. Historically incompetent generals does not make handing the idiot ball to a bunch of mook generals any more interesting to watch.


I get it. Not your cup of tea. The original series had the same first episode story, so if its a faithful reboot this is how it was written they had to include its realism. That other stuff you have a problem is easily answered with "real figures can be mooks," "sci-fi usually has a sc-fi answer" for space elements. If suspension of disbelief over elements which you of I don't have a real competency to nitpick over is too much for you, then I guess it wasn't your genre to begin with.
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