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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18

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but I am flabbergasted at what the title is suggesting.


I certainly don't speak for Digi from that title, I just simply made the title of this thread the title of his vid.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18
What is mediocrity? What is a mediocre show?

We have just as many fantastic shows now than before, maybe more. It's just that Japan are making more anime now than before.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18

paulchaested wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
but I am flabbergasted at what the title is suggesting.


I certainly don't speak for Digi from that title, I just simply made the title of this thread the title of his vid.


I was referring to the title of the video.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18
Only part I actually agreed on was about making anime production a business model. I have to ask myself, has a studio ever asked if it was acceptable to lose money and hope for it to pay off later. I wonder how that is behind the scenes. Business ruins fun.

I think a lot of people skip the quality and attention to detail stories have these days. I've been into analyzing scripts and plots as a sort of hobby for a while now and I'm truly amazed at how few people can tell a story is poorly written. I see a lot of open ended situations in anime that likely are written on the fly and decided on later, take Gintama for example, which is literally a parody of an example. I've gotten used to seeing past visuals and aesthetics where a lot companies focus most, since that is more likely to get someone to buy something than plot obviously. I'd say the advertising industry also has a huge impact on the anime industry and they have a lot of say in what can and can't work even if they're absolutely wrong. Relying on visuals to sell something is the typical gas station sammich strategy that gets us to take it home, but leaves us feeling unsatisfied.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18
Remeber boy and girls 90% of everything is crap. But the last 10% is worth fighting for!

*goes and watches Megalgox again* Mediocrity my foot. and what about the new Lupin show and that car chase?

What about least season A place further in the universe? Team Pop epic? Star blazers reamke? hell the lastest eps of Darling in the Franxx was amazing IMO.

There alot of middle of the road show that are there just to sell there source material but there is good creative stuff out there you just have to look for it. Sometimes you have to dig deep. Really deep.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18
Who is "we" in this situation? Anime viewers in the west or actually in Japan? Culture leaks through every medium there is and Japan's culture is alot different than those of the west. On top of that, as people said before, mediocrity is based on opinion. I narrow my watch time to certain genres for time constraints because I tend to like whatever comes from those genres, as do most people. Even if we just narrow down to the genres we watch, within a group who watches only that genre as well, there is more shows then there was in the past (90s, maybe 00s), keeping up with the "quality" level simply isn't going to happen.

Just wanna point out that Gintama is a slapstick gag show, which relies on visuals to pull off properly, but I don't really watch is anymore since it really didn't fit the genre that I cut back to.

TLDR; Its an opinion of a deranged youtube "personality". What he says doesn't dictate what happens in the industry, just a minor following in an area where the industry doesn't really need to care about.
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EDIT - Oh, I linked a video, but this individual already brought it up, Perfect.


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No he isn't ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iJhFroA-eo

He just has standards. But he defends "trash" or new anime pretty often.


As for what I think, I'm kind of indifferent. This video makes even less sense to me after Winter 2018, which for me personally was the best season in anime since Winter 2017, and that's saying something.

Mediocrity is relative. One man's mediocre work is another's masterpiece.

Basically, I say what I've been saying for years. If anime is dying, then let it die. I've been getting more and more favorite shows from this "mediocre" industry than ever before. If that makes me a vulture feeding off the carcass of anime, then damn, what a time to be a vulture!

That's not to say that I don't think the industry itself could use some evolution. Pay rates and scheduling are basically criminal over there, and some licensing decisions seem either nonsensical or outdated. I'm all for making the industry better for the workers and better for anime as a whole as a result.

But the shows themselves? I mean, I'll always welcome something better on that front, too. If you said to me after eating at a Michelin star restaurant "You've accepted mediocrity", I'd probably look at you puzzled for a bit, but then reply "Hey, if you've got something better than that, bring it on. As long as this place doesn't close down in the process I'm good".

Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/8/18
Of course there's mediocre anime being produced . It comes with the territory. Look at music , movies , and literature. There will always be someone trying to capitalize on it. The drive of the money makers to set unreasonable dead lines so they can turn a profit faster or cut back on quality to raise the return on their investment . I would add though that sometimes it does allow someone to create something that would never be seen if they couldn't do it cheaply and gets them noticed . Gives them a chance to do it better next time. There's a lot of cult classic films that when they came out would have been lucky to be called mediocre . I'm a fan of couple .

Oh and mediocrity is only thrust upon us when we don't speak up on what we consider good or endorse with our buying power what we want to see more .
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/18/18
So I just watched the video. I don't know who the author of the video is, but I am now keenly aware of a few facts based on what he said

#1 The author of the video watched anime in the 80's/90's and is bitter nobody makes the stuff he liked

#2 The author doesn't know how to run a business

#3 The author is bitter towards youtube and should seek professional help

#4 The author assumes that since 100% of anime he watches doesn't fit his criteria that the industry is to blame.

#5 The author erroneously thinks the anime gives a f**k what he thinks as a non Japanese consumer.

Who is this guy? Does he have the most basic of basic grasps on how business models run? IDK this is the first time I believe I have seen this author but 95% of what he said leads me to believe he's an idiot throwing temper tantrums.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/9/18

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Who is this guy? Does he have the most basic of basic grasps on how business models run? IDK this is the first time I believe I have seen this author but 95% of what he said leads me to believe he's an idiot throwing temper tantrums.


He is a pretty well known anime YouTuber. He became more well known for heavily criticizing SAO and The Asterisk War which truthfully I actually did enjoy watching.
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He is a pretty well known anime YouTuber. He became more well known for heavily criticizing SAO and The Asterisk War which truthfully I actually did enjoy watching.


I dont watch much youtube other then ElectroBoom and occasional TheAnimeMan( because his reactions are hilarious) so I am not well versed in youtube content producers. I get he may not like some shows and feel others shows are garbage.. I get that we all probably feel that way. But to somehow suggest that the industry somehow knows less then he does is absurd. I was literally yelling at my screen "They dont care about US consumers dude, are you and idiot?" IDK as the video progressed he rubbed me the wrong way more and more. I would love to have gleened some half intelligent perspective from what he was saying as the industries current path does concern me. However all I could hear was a 40yr old crying because the industry doesn't cater to him.

He makes a comment about re-watch value. Akira is a classic(dont think thats up for debate) however I would much rather rewatch HighSchool Fleet or ToraDora then Akira. I mean it was good, but its not something I would keep rewatching to this day. There are lots of new stuff out (Violet Evergarden is porn for eyeballs) that I would much rather watch.

EDIT: My apologies I was triggered by this guy. I cant stand people who think they know how things should be done when they contribute nothing themselves and cant make an objective point.
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/9/18
Digi made yet another channel?

Dude can be insightful at times, but dear lord that video just drones on. And frankly, it feels like he's hit the nostalgia-crank point of asking why things aren't like the old stuff he remembers, without the perspective that most old stuff is incredibly mediocre as well. Budgets matter, even big name folks need to make money on less risky faire every now and again, and mediocre stuff sells because not everyone needs a super high production value to enjoy a show (particularly niche stuff).
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I wonder if he was sober when he made this one?

I can't watch the guy. All he does is go off on drunk rants and pisses and moans wen people call him out on it
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/9/18
honestly, i don't really care if a show is objectively mediocre. i watch shows for personal enjoyment, if it's nice and good for me, ill like it!

i never really pay attention on directing, characters, animation, etc. i watch anime for enjoyment and i really don't want to get overly analytical
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Posted 4/8/18 , edited 4/9/18
I don't think anime has gotten any worse as a whole.

I think simply the focus on genres has changed. A lot of us who watched anime in the late 90s and early 2000s are probably thirsting for some good adventure anime, if you notice, the majority of anime these days do not really include travel.

Those who watched anime in the late 80s and early 90s may miss the days of dramatic Space Operas / Mechas with atmospheric music.

The current age of anime seems to be more character drama focused, very narrow in scope. Some will enjoy this style of story telling. However, the problem is, it's not what drew most people in the west to anime originally. What drew people in the west to anime, were the sci-fi and fantasy styles that were very uniquely portrayed by anime.
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