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News outlets are saying the war is ending and the leaders are pursuing denuclearization. Which is great. No one is talking about a unified Korea but that's okay for now right?
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Two things worth noting about this.

First, North Korea has a history of making promises on a diplomatic level (often in exchange for food or other material aid) only to renege on those promises within a few years. So I wouldn't count on North Korea acting in good faith.

Second, the partial collapse of North Korea's Nuclear Test Bunker, and it's resulting ineligibility as a nuclear test site. This is probably the biggest reason that NK is willing to talk.

Between these two things, there's a pretty good chance that NK is just trying to cash in on the publicity of their nuclear tests, and will likely back out of whatever promises they make during the talks as soon as their next test site is up and running.
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It's pretty cool that Kim was brave enough to cross over. I hope that they talk but I'd highly doubt he'd be willing to put himself up for trial or anything. He's done a lot of bad things that he'll probably never answer for but if the situation improves I'm all for this.
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I'm scared to say yes, but.... Maybe? It's the most promising development in the past decade or so, anyway.
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From the information I have read and documentaries that I have seen of North Korea, I continue to be skeptical and question the actions of Kim Jong-Un and his sister. To add, Kim had his brother and Uncle assassinated and requested the people who fled North Korea to be returned if I remember correctly. If Kim confesses of the horrific treatment that is occurring in the country region and the labor camps, then I may believe that he wants to change.
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From the information I have read and documentaries that I have seen of North Korea, I continue to be skeptical and question the actions of Kim Jong-Un and his sister. To add, Kim had his brother and Uncle assassinated and requested the people who fled North Korea to be returned if I remember correctly. If Kim confesses of the horrific treatment that is occurring in the country region and the labor camps, then I may believe that he wants to change.


As you should be... People routinely disappear in North Korea. This doesn't mean we should trust North Korea, but a step towards diplomacy and not towards war is a good one.
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Peace seems like a promising possibility, but still a long way off from being a reality.
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I don't buy North Korea's supposed overtures, to be honest. I mean, it'd be nice if it'd work out, but... The North Korean government doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation.
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yeah color me skeptical, but we shall see
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What great times these are! Trump, Moon, and Xi are finally working towards ending the Korean war which has gone on for far too long, were not even fighting why bother staying at war! We can end the nuclear threat to South Korea, Japan, and ourselves!

Good job both of you! Trump acted like he was ready to hit North Korea and Moon acted like the nice politician desiring peace and holding Trump back. North Korea fell for an old hollywood tactic and we are getting peace from it!


Good work Xi for doing the right thing and not stiring up trouble with their pet.


The Koreans are in celebration mode right now!


Hi. I'm native Korean who have been living in the southern part of the peninsula for 21 years. I want to share some recent approval(is this word appropriate?) and sentiment toward Mr. Trump and an opposite veto and negative sentiment toward Obama and Hillary here in Korea. I've never been to any English speaking country for a single day and I learned English only through school education and private academy... hence my English is broken and poor, so please understand if there are some points you can not grasp, are some words that are inappropriate and weird.

First, before introducing what's going on in Korea now, you have to understand media environment in South Korea. Some attributes are different but in many points both media in SK and US are corrupt and unreliable. Basically, unlike those in the anglosphere, Koreans have little interest on global/diplomatic issues if they are not related to the peninsula's problem. We have tons of professional experts on the North/South issue, but very little on other global affairs(except for Far East relation/problems). This is also applied to the field of media, so almost every Korean media gather first information through the so-called mainstream media of US(+BBC). This clearly means that their biased and purposed opinion and frame are regarded as very impartial, neutral and objective. So during the election campaign period, Korean media depicted Trump as maniac, psychopath and immoral trash. They literally demonized Trump as the "mainstream media" in the US did. It worked quite well for a while, but as Trump was elected many Koreans got to have doubt on this reckless bombards from our media. 'If he is so bad human being, how the hell he was able to make it? There must be economic/social/cultural issues that were usually ignored(maybe purposely) by media.' This was the most common skepticism that we had witnessing the entire campaigns and coverage on them. (+ Our media were very shocked about the result of the election, and they started to analyze how this was possible. They explained something like 'the fury and frustration of workers in the Rust Belt felt toward Democratic party' blah blah blah, but they never quit the habit of demonizing Trump for some months.) Also, our ex-president 박근혜(Park Geun-Hye) was impeached for various felonies she committed, including engagement on state-run media. Those who gave up the role of watchdog against power now declared that they reflect on their past and will fully function as neutral, impartial, truth-seeking media. But these turn out to be lies nowadays. Although some media have functioned quite well like they declared, many of them are just fucks. People are realizing that media are intrinsically just business seeking its own money and interest, and they will do whatever to achieve that even if it's political maneuvering or fact distortion. Reporter, which had been respected vocation through the period of strife for democratization in this country, is now despised. The fact that many people call 기자(reporter) 기레기( 기자/reporter + 쓰레기/trash) clearly shows this.

Second, Koreans now evaluate the president of our most confidential ally, the United States of America, by actual policies he/she impose and affect on real world, rather than virtual reputation/image which are so vulnerable to being manipulated and plotted by few purposed individuals. You guys may have been once heard of praises and appreciations from our president Moon on Mr. Trump's maximum pressure policies for the situation now happening in this peninsula. That is not just his own thought but typical and common thought the folks contemporarily have.

Trump is called 트력제[트 of 트럼프(=Trump) + 력제 of 만력제(=萬曆帝, the emperor of Chinese medieval Ming dynasty] on the internet, and this is even a huge meme. There was an invasion of hundreds of thousands of Japanese troops against our country in 1592, which almost destroyed 조선(Joseon) dynasty, the preceding dynasty right before the Republic of Korea. Then, the Chinese emperor 만력제, who had refused to work and abandoned his sacred and important role of emperor for almost 20 years, miraculously started to come back to his office and ordered to send many regiments to Korea. He even payed his own treasures to purchase foods/supplies for the soldiers. With this aid and heroic victories made by most respected Korean general 이순신(Yi Sun-Sin), Korea successfully expelled Japanese samurais from entire peninsula. After the war, a shrine worshipping the emperor 만력제 as god was established, and kings and nobles visited there once a year for about next 300 years. I heard that some enthusiastic supporters of Trump call him 'God Emperor'. This can sound hilarious to some people but for Koreans this is right. Many politicians including former ministers(secretary in American English?) and current lawmakers(congressmen) of the ruling party is now calling for 'Mr. Trump for Nobel Peace Prize'. This was a joke in the beginning, but now it is getting consensus among folks and, I guarantee that this will lead to a organized movement in months if things are well solved. Also, Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is now regarded as total bullshit. He made no empirical actions on peace/human rights but he was awarded. We now doubt that this entire thing was just a theater act designed by certain political powers. Plus he almost abandoned dealing with North Korean issues and justified/decorated this attitude with a non-sense word, "Strategic Endurance." He was once popular, respected and loved by Korean people but now he is viewed as a total hypocrite who is genius in image making and theater acting. Here are some proofs on the internet.

https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=best&search_keyword=%EC%98%A4%EB%B0%94%EB%A7%88&search_target=title_content&document_srl=1022202578&listStyle=webzine&page=1

https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=best&search_keyword=%EC%98%A4%EB%B0%94%EB%A7%88&search_target=title_content&document_srl=1033906961&listStyle=webzine&page=1

http://mlbpark.donga.com/mp/b.php?m=search&p=61&b=bullpen&id=201804270016522652&select=sct&query=%EC%98%A4%EB%B0%94%EB%A7%88&user=&site=donga.com&reply=&source=&[email protected]

http://mlbpark.donga.com/mp/b.php?m=search&p=1&b=bullpen&id=201804280016574117&select=sct&query=%EC%98%A4%EB%B0%94%EB%A7%88&user=&site=donga.com&reply=&source=&[email protected]

http://mlbpark.donga.com/mp/b.php?m=search&p=1&b=bullpen&id=201804270016566305&select=sct&query=%EC%98%A4%EB%B0%94%EB%A7%88&user=&site=donga.com&reply=&source=&[email protected]

These two websites are ranked in top 5 among Korean web communities, and I just randomly picked those threads with 오바마(Obama) keyword in one minute. They all criticize Obama and show their thanks to Mr. Trump.

Someone even claim that if Hillary got the presidency, American troops may withdraw and the whole peninsula would be communized, but I'll not introduce this opinion because this can be controversial. (If you are interested, read a lecture script revealed by WikiLeaks that Hillary mentioned she wants to keep these nuclear and unification issues remained and unchanged, for national interests of the US. Personally I feel deep anger when I first saw this, because I'm Korean. This wordings are very similar to those Globalists like Henry Kissinger use to bark.)

Anyway, Koreans are so much grateful for the actions Trump made, but it is sad that no western media cover on this phenomenon. I hope one day he get praise and respect he surely deserves on his diplomatic achievements in the States. He saved entire planet and humanity from the verge of terrible nuclear war.
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Kim Says He’ll Give Up Weapons if U.S. Promises Not to Invade

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/29/world/asia/north-korea-trump-nuclear.html
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Kim Says He’ll Give Up Weapons if U.S. Promises Not to Invade


Reminder -


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North Korea has a history of making promises on a diplomatic level (often in exchange for food or other material aid) only to renege on those promises within a few years. So I wouldn't count on North Korea acting in good faith.
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meanwhile, there's no announcements of N Korea even planning to release american, s korean, japanese, etc prisoners accused of "trying to overthrow the regime". they did release Otto a year ago or so, but he was effectively dead by the time he reached the US and probably before he even left n korea. no apologies to the Otto family, though they did accuse the US on Otto's death if i recall correctly. N korea seems ready to offer to stop using a frankly useless nuclear test site that's been destroyed due to too many missile launches, as long as US bows down to them and promise not to invade. quite honestly, the only one winning here is N Korea.
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meanwhile, there's no announcements of N Korea even planning to release american, s korean, japanese, etc prisoners accused of "trying to overthrow the regime". they did release Otto a year ago or so, but he was effectively dead by the time he reached the US and probably before he even left n korea. no apologies to the Otto family, though they did accuse the US on Otto's death if i recall correctly. N korea seems ready to offer to stop using a frankly useless nuclear test site that's been destroyed due to too many missile launches, as long as US bows down to them and promise not to invade. quite honestly, the only one winning here is N Korea.


True, true. Runec has talked about this before. If securing a figurative seat at the table was the end goal of theur nuclear program, Trump is essentially playing into their hands. He may not even care that it's a steal for NK, as long as he gets good publicity out of it.
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namealreadytaken wrote:
meanwhile, there's no announcements of N Korea even planning to release american, s korean, japanese, etc prisoners accused of "trying to overthrow the regime". they did release Otto a year ago or so, but he was effectively dead by the time he reached the US and probably before he even left n korea. no apologies to the Otto family, though they did accuse the US on Otto's death if i recall correctly. N korea seems ready to offer to stop using a frankly useless nuclear test site that's been destroyed due to too many missile launches, as long as US bows down to them and promise not to invade. quite honestly, the only one winning here is N Korea.


https://www.history.com/news/presidential-visits-north-korea-propaganda-trump


“North Korea has been seeking a summit with an American president for more than twenty years … Kim Jong Il invited Bill Clinton,” tweeted Jeffrey Lewis, the director of the East Asia nonproliferation program at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, after Trump’s announcement. He believes the aim of the meeting is to elevate North Korea on the world stage, rather than to discuss disarmament, as Trump hopes.

“This is literally how the North Korean film The Country I Saw ends,” Lewis wrote. “An American President visits Pyongyang, compelled by North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs to treat a Kim as an equal.”

“North Korea’s place in the world, at least in The Country I Saw, is entirely a function of missile and nuclear capabilities,” Lewis writes in a blog post for 38 North. “The United States may be able to achieve a temporary reduction in tensions and even freeze certain programs, but it seems equally clear that the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] has concluded that its survival as a functioning state in the international system is entirely a product of its military capabilities.”

Indeed, the threat of a nuclear attack in the film is how North Korea convinces a U.S. president to visit the country. In one scene, a Japanese diplomat explains that after North Korea’s recent tests, “President Obama started to get scared of Kim Jong-il’s courage, boldness, and his autonomous and independent spirit.” Obama becomes so scared that, in the movie’s big reveal, he sends former president Bill Clinton to talk to the North Korean dictator. Triumphant music plays.

Since the mid-1970s, North Korea has had a specific set of international goals, according to James Person, research director for the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins SAIS and a contributor to 38 North. Person says these are “to be recognized as a normal state”; “to secure a peace agreement by replacing the armistice agreement from the Korean War” and to “establish trade relations” with countries around the world.

But in the film, the only way North Korea can make this happen is with military prowess.

“Many in the United States have not fully grasped how central the role of nuclear and missile programs have become to the core goal of regime survival,” Lewis writes. “The Country I Saw contains scene after heavy-handed scene reinforcing the notion that [North Korea] is exceptional as the one country able to survive the unrelenting hostility of a predatory United States through its hard power.”


As I keep saying, this is all so perfectly according to plan for the Kim regime that Trump may as well have wrapped a little bow around it. >.>
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