Sharia-Compliant Sex-Segregated Beach in Brooklyn

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karatecowboy 12537 cr points Send Message: M / People's Republic... Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 https://moonbattery.com/sharia-compliant-sex-segregated-beach-in-brooklyn/ City Councilman Chaim Deutsch announced the first ever “Southern Brooklyn Beach Day,” with separate dates for men and women by the sandy spot behind Kingsborough Community College. “A lot of people are disenfranchised for religious reasons,” the Democrat said. “They don’t use the beach because they don’t go mixed swimming. This is to give those people an opportunity for a day out at the beach.” Great example of how progressive ideology is a sort of sick, twisted mutation of human rights as invisioned by thinkers from Madison to Booker Washington. What do you think of this? Is it OK? What do you think of the motives of the people behind it?
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rawratl 48940 cr points Send Message: 33 / M Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 My opinion, who the hell cares. The country was founded on the freedom to practice your religion, and they aren't hurting anyone by doing this. It would be easy to find articles of Christians doing things that are way stranger so I don't think there is any point in getting all riled up by this. I know for sure you wouldn't care if it were anyone other than Muslims, you are just baiting. His motive is to let orthodox Jews and Muslims have a day at the beach....
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karatecowboy 12537 cr points Send Message: M / People's Republic... Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/11/18 rawratl wrote: My opinion, who the hell cares. The country was founded on the freedom to practice your religion, and they aren't hurting anyone by doing this. It would be easy to find articles of Christians doing things that are way stranger so I don't think there is any point in getting all riled up by this. I know for sure you wouldn't care if it were anyone other than Muslims, you are just baiting. His motive is to let orthodox Jews and Muslims have a day at the beach.... On a public beach?
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Mishio1 4487 cr points Send Message: Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/11/18 For those who prefer a less biased source of relevant information: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-segregated-beach-20180606-story.html From what I understand, orthodox Jews and Muslims are forbidden from swimming with members of the opposite sex for reasons pertaining to modesty, which, due to anti-discrimination laws, means they generally can't go to the beach at all without breaking religious taboos. This councilman wants to put on what are essentially special events geared towards these demographics so they can go to the beach for once. New York's Human Rights Commission is apparently still sorting out the legality of it. karatecowboy wrote: On a public beach? It looks like he's going to have to buy a permit for the relevant portion of beach, so whether it could still be considered "public" is arguable. And whether even that is legal still seems to be a matter of debate. Personally I'd rather leave deciding that to the experts. I'd certainly object if sexual discrimination of this sort were to become the norm, but considering that the purpose of the event is to allow people who are normally too constrained by their religion to do something they normally can't., I have mixed feelings about it and don't really have a strong opinion on the matter either way.
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karatecowboy 12537 cr points Send Message: M / People's Republic... Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/11/18 Mishio1 wrote: It looks like he's going to have to buy a permit for the relevant portion of beach, so whether it could still be considered "public" is arguable. And whether even that is legal still seems to be a matter of debate. Personally I'd rather leave deciding that to the experts. I'd certainly object if sexual discrimination of this sort were to become the norm, but considering that the purpose of the event is to allow people who are normally too constrained by their religion to do something they normally can't., I have mixed feelings about it and don't really have a strong opinion on the matter either way. Justice is supposed to be blind to that kind of stuff. Isn't that condoning discrimination and segregation based on just feeling bad for them dealing with the consequences of their own choices? Does segregation and discrimination become less bad if you feel bad for them? This is what I don't get: it's like 'this is wrong! --unless I personally feel bad for them because my own reasoning. Then it's OK or less wrong'.
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Mishio1 4487 cr points Send Message: Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/20/18 karatecowboy wrote: Justice is supposed to be blind to that kind of stuff. Isn't that condoning discrimination and segregation based on just feeling bad for them dealing with the consequences of their own choices? Does segregation and discrimination become less bad if you feel bad for them? This is what I don't get: it's like 'this is wrong! --unless I personally feel bad for them because my own reasoning. Then it's OK or less wrong'. You're doing it again; oversimplifying an issue and ignoring context to suit your own bias.
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Koji_Protolight 4148 cr points Send Message: 25 / M / North America Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/8/18 well since they are not forcing people to bow down to their values and/or taboos they can have a public beach to themselves if they cant normally do so in other places. superior left-wing Multiculturalism is a beautiful thing since it allows people to keep their cultural identity while having the same rights as others XD
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runec 43159 cr points Send Message: Online	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 Mishio1 wrote: It looks like he's going to have to buy a permit for the relevant portion of beach, so whether it could still be considered "public" is arguable. And whether even that is legal still seems to be a matter of debate. Personally I'd rather leave deciding that to the experts. That will be the tricky part. If they've rented the beach for an event the "public" part becomes murkier. I can easily see the legal argument becoming an extension of things such as segregated swimming classes at a public pool. Personally, I'm leaning towards if the beach is routinely rented out for events and everyone has equal access to renting it then alright. I'm not that concerned about whether they want to have boys and girls swim classes so to speak. Nor do I think the average person who isn't foaming at the mouth over Sharia law on a website literally called "moonbattery.com" would care much.
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karatecowboy 12537 cr points Send Message: M / People's Republic... Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/11/18 Mishio1 wrote: karatecowboy wrote: Justice is supposed to be blind to that kind of stuff. Isn't that condoning discrimination and segregation based on just feeling bad for them dealing with the consequences of their own choices? Does segregation and discrimination become less bad if you feel bad for them? This is what I don't get: it's like 'this is wrong! --unless I personally feel bad for them because my own reasoning. Then it's OK or less wrong'. You're doing it again; oversimplifying an issue and ignoring context to suit your own bias. OK so explain it to me: what's the difference between ignoring context and justice being blind? As far as I can tell it's "considering context"when you approve of the partiality but "unfair discrimination"when you don't
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karatecowboy 12537 cr points Send Message: M / People's Republic... Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/11/18 Koji_Protolight wrote: well since they are not forcing people to bow down to their values and/or taboos they can have a public beach to themselves if they cant normally do so in other places. superior left-wing Multiculturalism is a beautiful thing since it allows people to keep their cultural identity while having the same rights as others XD Apart from a publicly owned and funded beach having gender discrimination imposed on it and one gender being excluded, yeah. Apart from that there is no forcing people to bow down to it
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geauxtigers1989 10584 cr points Send Message: 29 / M / Enemy Territory Online	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/8/18 Manufactured outrage FTW!
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Mishio1 4487 cr points Send Message: Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 karatecowboy wrote: OK so explain it to me: what's the difference between ignoring context and justice being blind? As far as I can tell it's "considering context"when you approve of the partiality but "unfair discrimination"when you don't That's because you're ignoring the reasoning that makes me "approve of the partiality" in the first place. Namely, that efforts to eliminate discrimination have inadvertently led us to indirectly discriminating against specific demographics. Also, when did I say I approved? I said I have mixed feelings on the issue and would prefer to leave determining the legality of the issue to experts to figure out. runec wrote: That will be the tricky part. If they've rented the beach for an event the "public" part becomes murkier. I can easily see the legal argument becoming an extension of things such as segregated swimming classes at a public pool. Aye, that seems like the central argument of the case.
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jtjumper 14006 cr points Send Message: 32 / M / Marshall, Michigan Online	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 How will they deal with transgenders?
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Mishio1 4487 cr points Send Message: Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 jtjumper wrote: How will they deal with transgenders? That's a very good question.
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Koji_Protolight 4148 cr points Send Message: 25 / M / North America Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 6/7/18 , edited 6/7/18 karatecowboy wrote: Koji_Protolight wrote: well since they are not forcing people to bow down to their values and/or taboos they can have a public beach to themselves if they cant normally do so in other places. superior left-wing Multiculturalism is a beautiful thing since it allows people to keep their cultural identity while having the same rights as others XD Apart from a publicly owned and funded beach having gender discrimination imposed on it and one gender being excluded, yeah. Apart from that there is no forcing people to bow down to it its not forcing anyone to bow down, its the opposite because its just one beach if it was "ALL" the beaches it would be different matter XP amusing that right-wingers want to force everone to be assimilated/forced to have their values, But then when they feel that their own values are attacked they scream about oppression
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