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So I've read an article on Anime News Network ranking the various Gundam series by which had the most convoluted, incomprehensible narratives. And I have to wonder, was Gundam incomprehensible at all?

I'm asking this because, as a fully grown adult, I would have done a better job comprehending Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, Gundam Wing, Gundam SEED, Gundam 00, and what little of Iron-Blooded Orphans I've watched so far, than I would as a kid when I first watched Gundam Wing. But now, I'm hearing that Gundam had incomprehensible narratives. How so?
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No, it was just stupid.
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No, it was just stupid.


Why?
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The only series I have watched that felt rushed and the narratives didn't do the series justice was Gundam Reconguista in G. Currently the only series I ever had to rewind a bit to get what was going on. I think the issue is that most people(at least that I have seen) that watch anime prefer all action no substance. So when they actually have to use their head a bit...well you probably get my drift.

Don't get me wrong I did do a double take(rewind) for Unicorn Gundam when I heard Amuro with asking Char if he was ok with it.
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Commander_PonyShep wrote:


gornotck wrote:

No, it was just stupid.


Why?


I don't really keep up with Gundam, but the storylines weren't either convoluted or confusing so much as "loosely tying events together" in several of the shows. They were, and are, shows basically designed to sell toys. Even the serious ones. The story doesn't need to be 'good', just 'good enough'. If you look at them too hard, they tend to end up being kind of stupid.

The first Gundam series aired from '79 to '80, and in-universe took place between '79 and '80. The entire broadcast length was 8 months... and the One Year War it told lasted about 8 months. Every aspect of the story appears to be the producers holding the director back.
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If you want true incomprehensibility, Shep, go watch Betterman (... and take two Tylenol afterwards).
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gornotck wrote:


Commander_PonyShep wrote:


gornotck wrote:

No, it was just stupid.


Why?


I don't really keep up with Gundam, but the storylines weren't either convoluted or confusing so much as "loosely tying events together" in several of the shows. They were, and are, shows basically designed to sell toys. Even the serious ones. The story doesn't need to be 'good', just 'good enough'. If you look at them too hard, they tend to end up being kind of stupid.

The first Gundam series aired from '79 to '80, and in-universe took place between '79 and '80. The entire broadcast length was 8 months... and the One Year War it told lasted about 8 months. Every aspect of the story appears to be the producers holding the director back.


For the most part, yes, I agree completely. But the first Gunpla kits didn't come out until after Mobile Suit Gundam was cancelled. Just wanted to point that out.

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Yes, anything PhantomGundam says does not make any sense.


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Griffith did nothing wrong.


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No but I understand not all the Gundams exist in the same time line. If one first saw Wing then saw Char's Counterattack thinking they go together, they'd be lost.
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Archimedes75 wrote:


gornotck wrote:


Commander_PonyShep wrote:


gornotck wrote:

No, it was just stupid.


Why?


I don't really keep up with Gundam, but the storylines weren't either convoluted or confusing so much as "loosely tying events together" in several of the shows. They were, and are, shows basically designed to sell toys. Even the serious ones. The story doesn't need to be 'good', just 'good enough'. If you look at them too hard, they tend to end up being kind of stupid.

The first Gundam series aired from '79 to '80, and in-universe took place between '79 and '80. The entire broadcast length was 8 months... and the One Year War it told lasted about 8 months. Every aspect of the story appears to be the producers holding the director back.


For the most part, yes, I agree completely. But the first Gunpla kits didn't come out until after Mobile Suit Gundam was cancelled. Just wanted to point that out.



Fair enough. It ended in 1980, the first kits came out in 1980. Bandai appears to have had a habit of aggressively milking any successful property for their toys since Astro Boy (and Sunrise appears to have always been a part of Bandai), but I can accept that the toys followed the series' success, rather than driving it for the first series.
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If you want true incomprehensibility, Shep, go watch Betterman (... and take two Tylenol afterwards).


Betterman was my first anime! I almost never hear anyone talk about it! 'Tis a ride, yes.
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Most of them are pretty straightforward. It's not hard to understand. The only exceptions I can think of are G no Reconguista and Twilight Axis. G no Reconguista jumped from place to place too fast without giving us anything to help understand it. None of the information given to us was explained much. The pacing was atrocious. One second the MC is grieving over the loss of someone he cared about and killed. The next second he's happy as if there was supposed to be more scenes in between to show the transition. The tone of the series was also just so weird. I seriously wonder if Tomino was on crack when he wrote this.

Twilight Axis was even worse in regards to the pacing. They tried telling a multiple hour long story within a few 3-minute long episodes. Not a single thing made sense. The episodes themselves felt like trailers rather than an actual series.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Yes, anything PhantomGundam says does not make any sense.


PhantomGundam wrote:
Griffith did nothing wrong.


See?


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PhantomGundam wrote:

Most of them are pretty straightforward. It's not hard to understand. The only exceptions I can think of are G no Reconguista and Twilight Axis. G no Reconguista jumped from place to place too fast without giving us anything to help understand it. None of the information given to us was explained much. The pacing was atrocious. One second the MC is grieving over the loss of someone he cared about and killed. The next second he's happy as if there was supposed to be more scenes in between to show the transition. The tone of the series was also just so weird. I seriously wonder if Tomino was on crack when he wrote this.

Twilight Axis was even worse in regards to the pacing. They tried telling a multiple hour long story within a few 3-minute long episodes. Not a single thing made sense. The episodes themselves felt like trailers rather than an actual series.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Yes, anything PhantomGundam says does not make any sense.


PhantomGundam wrote:
Griffith did nothing wrong.


See?




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rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

If you want true incomprehensibility, Shep, go watch Betterman (... and take two Tylenol afterwards).


ugh don't remind me.
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Posted 6/15/18 , edited 6/15/18
Which one? There are like dozens of Gundam series. I'm not a huge fan of mecha anime, but of the few Gundam series I've seen they were all relatively strait forward. It's not like watching Angel's Egg or Cat Soup etc..
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