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Posted 8/17/18 , edited 8/17/18
They didn't show the outcome of Rachel's massacre, and they way they depicted her eyes while watching which makes me wonder if something unexpected happened. I mean, this show is not shy about showing blood, why hesitate showing a bunch of zombies being mowed down?

And Zack wants a knife for some reason. Maybe because the scythe is too much for him any more. He even said it's too heavy, but he knows Rachel is going to (try to) save him, so he'll be able to wield the scythe soon enough.

Looking at MAL this is listed at 16 episodes, so we've still got more than halfway to go and three bosses left (?) I haven't played the game, wonder if there's a final boss?
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Posted 8/17/18 , edited 8/18/18

They didn't show the outcome of Rachel's massacre, and they way they depicted her eyes while watching which makes me wonder if something unexpected happened. I mean, this show is not shy about showing blood, why hesitate showing a bunch of zombies being mowed down?


Because it's more effective to show how the character reacts to the gore than it is to show the gore itself. A bunch of zombies being mowed down is nothing new, but by focusing on the character as the action happens it forces the audience to consider how it effects Rachel more than how much she messed the zombies/prisoners/whatever up.

Also, it saves on animation cost because large groups being blown into bits in a shower of blood isn't exactly cheap and this show has definitely been cutting some corners when it can. I'm looking at you, CG water from the end of episode 3!
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Posted 8/18/18 , edited 8/18/18
This is probably not really talking about the current episodes of the show but.. I wanted to say that this anime was the first I gotten back into after some time of not watching anime. I never stopped loving and appreciating anime since I grew up with it. I just had other passions of mine I got busy with that occupied my time, plus living life. I have to admit reading up a little about this anime before watching it I was a little sceptical of it since it's really not my kind of tea but.. I was pleasantly surprised on how much I enjoyed it and gotten into it. It's very intriguing and interesting I must say, and it's one of my favorites now. I wish they could have more episodes available, but I think it's alright and worth the wait to be surprised on what's going happen next in the series.
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Posted 8/18/18 , edited 8/19/18
I was too lazy to talk about last week's episode because I procrastinated too hard on homework. So I'll talk about both of them this time.

Episode 6

50% of the story is completed by the time Cathy's floor comes to a close. And while I overall enjoyed the episode, I couldn't help but sorely miss the game's soundtrack. Like, the music was honestly what made scenes like the moment Zack stabbing himself and Ray shooting Cathy much more impactful.

But!! That isn't to say that there isn't a lot to enjoy. There's a lot to enjoy. I'm glad they wrapped up Zack's past with his first murders with the orphanage directors. Though I swear, the wife actually gave chase and that's why Zack likes letting his victims get a head start. It'd also be neat to parallel the chase with the wife with how the chase with Ray is going. But I guess it was cut out because budgeting and timing issues wouldn't allow it. Or maybe I'm mistaking it for fanfiction I read. Whatever the answer may be, the end result we got in the anime served its purpose fine.

I also liked Zack distorted murder-y face in the flashback, and how it looked while he was chasing Ray. I don't know, the artistic depiction of it was pretty neat.

I also enjoyed how there was this one shot of Zack's reflection showing from his scythe with a huge grin on his face. It was a nice subtle nod to how he's trying to hype himself up into stabbing himself by acting on his murderous instinct to kill happy people so that he doesn't hurt Ray. I kinda wish there was a more clear indicator of Ray weighing her options on whether or not she should shoot Zack since the player gets asked on whether or not she should do so multiple times and saying 'yes' would've led to a bad end.

And while I'm still sorely missing the BGM, Cathy getting shot by Rachel and then getting slashed up by Zack is still satisfying to watch.

Originally, the elevator had its own hallway from the floor's main entrance, rather than actually being in one of the rooms the duo have already entered in. But I think it was a nice change, makes it even more infuriatingly taunting on Cathy's part. ^q^ So I like that change. I kinda wish Rachel tried putting her own name first, so that people can see what would happen if she tried to do so. (It wouldn't open, btw. Not sure if it didn't fit or if the elevator just didn't react but it didn't open.)

Episode 7

So the last bit of episode 6 that was shown after the credits made its way to the beginning of this episode, so yeah. Zack passed out in the elevator since he freakign stabbed himself in the gut in the previous episode. It's honestly a miracle that Ray managed to drag him out of the elevator to begin with. It was more understandable in the game since Zack was a gangly-noodle-y looking dude, but he's more bishounenly fit here, so... :'^D ;;

Zack is Dying and probably should've died already from all the blood loss but honestly? The guy survived getting electrocuted for a long time (in the game, he didn't even have any interval breaks, the electricity just got less powerful the more dolls Rachel destroyed), breathing in poisonous gas, injected shady drugs, getting shot at - honestly, the fact that he's still alive from stabbing himself doesn't really surprise me. ... Either that or this was one of those things where it just made more sense in game-logic than anime-logic.

Though the image of him slumped against the wall gives me Ib flashbacks where Ib didn't understand that Garry was dying.

"Why won't Rachel stitch Zack up since she has thread and a needle?!" Well, I think in the game, she mentioned that it wouldn't help much if she didn't have any medicine to help with blood clotting. I think it'd only happen if you inspected Zack a couple times? But it's been a while so I could be misremembering.

So yeah, Ray goes off in search for any medicine and stuff to help Zack not die and walks into some weird trippy shit once the candle stand falls over, for a lack of better words. They heavily edited this part, since there were a bunch of puzzles for this section. Buuuut it was a right call to condense it since the visuals kinda made my head hurt looking at it anyways. Though 3/10, no snake or bullet coming out of the ripped paintings (I'm joking). I thought the lamb painting with the vision of Ray's parents reaching out to her were an interesting change. I'd like to overanalyze that scene at a later date.

We meet the floor master of B2, Gray. He initially sounded imposing and powerful, but he started sounding like an uncle when he started talking about Cathy fondly lol. I personally think it suits him just fine. He's certainly the most mysterious out of all the characters. Or at least, the guy who has the weirdest ideas, anyways. He's a neat guy, imo.

This episode really has Ray's ruthlessness displayed out in the open with how much she quickly she takes down anything that stands in her way with no hesitation. She's. really not a nice person lol. No one in this anime really is, that's really all I gotta say without spoiling things. But I'm pretty fine with this episode overall.

At the pacing we're going, maybe we'll get the series' name drop on the next episode. Or the one after that one. But I have a strong feeling it'll be the next one.
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Posted 8/18/18 , edited 8/19/18

Dethhollow wrote:

It's interesting to note that there seems to be a very clear narrative throughline with these floors, although the specific order doesn't add up as much.

One floor has a prison, then another one is a priest to confess to and read your last rites, then there's the floor with the reaper, a doctor to pronounce you dead, and finally the guy who makes your grave and buries you. It's almost like this place is meant to specifically represent what Rachel went through after killing her parents and getting the death sentence, just not in the same exact order, but maybe it'll make more sense now that we're going through things backwards?


You're definitely on the right track with that line of thinking! I'll just say that the order of the floors' themes may probably make more sense once you learn more about Gray as a character.
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Posted 8/19/18 , edited 8/20/18

imitationflower wrote:


Dethhollow wrote:

It's interesting to note that there seems to be a very clear narrative throughline with these floors, although the specific order doesn't add up as much.

One floor has a prison, then another one is a priest to confess to and read your last rites, then there's the floor with the reaper, a doctor to pronounce you dead, and finally the guy who makes your grave and buries you. It's almost like this place is meant to specifically represent what Rachel went through after killing her parents and getting the death sentence, just not in the same exact order, but maybe it'll make more sense now that we're going through things backwards?


You're definitely on the right track with that line of thinking! I'll just say that the order of the floors' themes may probably make more sense once you learn more about Gray as a character.


Murder/Attack floor > Hospital floor > Graveyard floor makes sense for the victim. Prison/Judgement floor > Church (possibly salvation?) floor makes sense for the attacker. Wondering what Gray is causing Rachel to inhale with all that purple smoke. Slow acting poison? Hallucinogens? It will be interesting to find out more.
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Posted 8/19/18 , edited 8/20/18
It's weird because none of the Floormasters have shown any supernatural feats so far at all except for Grey. Zack was just a crazy guy who was really strong, the doctor just had a second iris and a collection of preserved eyeballs, Eddie's whole thing was turning off the lights and swinging a shovel at people, and Cathy just had guns. You could argue the super specific nature of each floor is kind-of supernatural, but the people themselves and what they're capable of is pretty normal.

And then Grey shows up with this weird smoke and Rachel's seeing paintings appear and change, the walls are oozing blood text, she's seeing copies of herself looking evil in the reflections, there's blue fire everywhere. etc. It's the type of stuff where it's probably meant to be the gas making her halucinate and I'd imagine it's PROBABLY a lot more vague about things in the game, but because they have to show this the anime just went all-in on how crazy some of this stuff looks. Then again, I haven't played the game so who knows? Maybe Grey really does just have supernatural powers or something?
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Posted 8/20/18 , edited 8/20/18

Dethhollow wrote:

It's weird because none of the Floormasters have shown any supernatural feats so far at all except for Grey. Zack was just a crazy guy who was really strong, the doctor just had a second iris and a collection of preserved eyeballs, Eddie's whole thing was turning off the lights and swinging a shovel at people, and Cathy just had guns. You could argue the super specific nature of each floor is kind-of supernatural, but the people themselves and what they're capable of is pretty normal.

And then Grey shows up with this weird smoke and Rachel's seeing paintings appear and change, the walls are oozing blood text, she's seeing copies of herself looking evil in the reflections, there's blue fire everywhere. etc. It's the type of stuff where it's probably meant to be the gas making her halucinate and I'd imagine it's PROBABLY a lot more vague about things in the game, but because they have to show this the anime just went all-in on how crazy some of this stuff looks. Then again, I haven't played the game so who knows? Maybe Grey really does just have supernatural powers or something?


While I wouldn't say it's vague, this particular section of Gray's floor just wasn't as crazy as it was in the anime. But it was still very obvious that there's some weird supernatural-like shit going on once she gets started with Gray's floor. You can watch the game version here if you'd like (though be careful about spoiling yourself since this part of the video goes on after Cathy's floor!)
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Posted 8/22/18 , edited 8/23/18
Angels of Death EP 6 Zack is the only one who can kill me.

That was intense especially with Cathy

For me I like this anime !

Angels of Death EP 7 “Who are you?”

Good EP as Rachel tries hard to save Zack/ we meet Gray the head of B2
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Posted 8/24/18 , edited 8/24/18
Episode 8

So after making it past that room by turning on the guns, to kill the zombies, Rachel learns that she's an irregular. And then they go back and find the bodies of the people they killed along the way missing on the way back to Danny's lab. As it turns out, the medicine is all gone, and as such, she decides to go even further back, and Zack's background is told as he was born to kill. His old man was killed, and that caused Zack to turn into a serial killer out of revenge agains those who take pleasure in killing. That was just so messed up.
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Posted 8/24/18 , edited 8/24/18
Episode 8:

Yeah, at this point, I don't think there's any source of redemption for Zack. From what he's done in the past through his killings, it seems he kills for pleasure. Damn right he's a monster. (which is pretty suitable for this week's episode too)

Now I wonder how much Rachel will learn about him if they reunite again.
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Posted 8/24/18 , edited 8/25/18
Episode 8:

You know, this Zack backstory with the old man is actually exclusive for the novels. It's not even mentioned in the manga whatsoever, so I'm glad I can finally witness it with my own eyes. I totally did not expect it to actually show up here, of all times though so that ruined my predictions on what would happen in this episode quite a bit!

I honestly liked how trippier the visuals looked in the game more. But I guess that would've warranted for a bigger budget and the final product of what we got served its purpose so I guess I can't complain too much.

The "stuffed toys"... I personally thought they should've had actual wind-up keys sticking out from them. In the game, they made those wind-up sounds toys would make so that's why, as the player, I get why Rachel would've made that assumption. (Even if they were screaming in pain, but yanno) But they were just talking hands, for the most part. It's actually kinda funny watching Ray stomping on them like Whack-a-Mole meets Dance Dance Revolution. I guess they were too lazy to animate how it actually went down in the game, where Rachel straight up took the pickaxe pole, rammed a bunch of "stuffed toys" onto the stick, and sewed the rest onto the others and made one horrific pole that is possibly screeching in agony the whole time.

All so that she could push the elevator button that was originally too far for her to reach.

And then stomped the ones that she didn't need. :')

Stomping them all away is fine and all, but that part in the game showcased just how Ray is more than willing to use people for her own gain (coughZackcough), along with things like how she'll do anything to achieve her objective or how she tends to have a rather materialistic view of things. So I personally don't like how that ended up, it's quite a shame.

Kinda wish Gray had a more "wtf...?" reaction towards Ray's responses. It's not necessary so I don't really mind, but that's how interpreted his slight expression changes in the game.

fucgkin lmao tho, that puke monster. there's literally nothing that can be done to make it not goofy looking.

And then suddenly we get more Zack backstory!? I just expected it to be part of the 3 episode OVAs if they were to ever touch on it. But I never really knew just how long the story is supposed to be so I guess now was a good time as any to add it in.

The only thing I really knew was that Zack met a kind man while he was a kid and that the man died. I guess it makes sense as any that the man was blind, though I bet he probably wouldn't have reacted any differently if he was able to see anyways since he didn't care about Zack telling him the truth. It was a shame that he ended up dying, especially over something as cruel as mugging. It would've been nice if he was able to adopt Zack and have a happier life with him, but I suppose that's the point of him dying.

I think the only part I thought was dumb was how Zack was walking past the crime scene where the old man's corpse was. Like, yeah, he died from drowning so of course Zack wasn't the one who did it. But how the heck is a knife-wielding kid covered in blood NOT suspicious looking?? I would've understood if the crowd was more dense so it'd be hard to spot him but come on!

Aaand yeah, there's Danny. Don't ask me how he survived being stabbed by Zack, I'm still just as lost about it as you are. Apparently he was able to use the stuff on his floor to keep himself alive but?? How does that even work?? The hell if I know.
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Posted 8/25/18 , edited 8/26/18
I have a theory. My apologies if somebody has already floated this but I haven't read all the posts in this thread. I think that Ray and Zack are actually one consciousness. Or to put it another way, Ray is a manifestation of Zack. I think Zack is in a coma state somewhere and he is being put through this process in order to "cure" him of his homicidal nature. If he navigates the process properly, he will be able to "kill" Ray and that will be an indication he has changed. I don't think we have seen any flashbacks of Ray, have we? Only flashbacks of Zack.
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Posted 8/25/18 , edited 8/26/18

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Episode 8:

Yeah, at this point, I don't think there's any source of redemption for Zack. From what he's done in the past through his killings, it seems he kills for pleasure. Damn right he's a monster. (which is pretty suitable for this week's episode too)

Now I wonder how much Rachel will learn about him if they reunite again.


I mean, that's not really new news, you know? We were introduced to Zach by him trying to murder a little girl and after 'killing' another horror antagonist, he continued to want to kill the same little girl. The only reason he hasn't murdered this child yet is because she wanted to be killed and since then we've just learned more about him, but he's always been an insane serial killer who preys on the innocent.... Even when the victim turns out to not really be 'innocent'....
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Posted 8/26/18 , edited 8/26/18

greyhooter wrote:

I have a theory. My apologies if somebody has already floated this but I haven't read all the posts in this thread. I think that Ray and Zack are actually one consciousness. Or to put it another way, Ray is a manifestation of Zack. I think Zack is in a coma state somewhere and he is being put through this process in order to "cure" him of his homicidal nature. If he navigates the process properly, he will be able to "kill" Ray and that will be an indication he has changed. I don't think we have seen any flashbacks of Ray, have we? Only flashbacks of Zack.


I like this theory a lot. But I think we did see one brief flashback that seemed to imply Ray had killed her parents. No idea what episode and I might have been misinterpreting what I saw. But that's definitely a good theory!

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