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can i get a source for this? as much as i think NYT have a strong left bias, i dont think they would go so far as defend something as horrific as genocide.



The Holodomor. In specific, they denied it was happening despite overwhelming evidence.

Walter Duranty, 14 years NYT emeritus, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for covering it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080309.htm

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I wouldnt go so far as to say they are actually anti white, they are just bigoting as prescribed by the tv, and the po' kids dont notice their having been programmed.


It kind of seems that way sometimes. The Selective Contexting is pretty frustrating, though. That, plus Sin of Omission. Like, for example, ignoring how John Shnatter had to step down because "racist language is unacceptable, regardless of the context". When a white person even quotes that language he gets crucified. The stuff that happened with Candace Owens also "provides a context". But their Selective Contexting lets them ignore that.
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namealreadytaken wrote:


can i get a source for this? as much as i think NYT have a strong left bias, i dont think they would go so far as defend something as horrific as genocide.



The Holodomor. In specific, they denied it was happening despite overwhelming evidence.

Walter Duranty, 14 years NYT emeritus, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for covering it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080309.htm



thank you for the article, though it does seem like this happened over 80 years ago.
the NYTimes of the past may have been completely different from the modern NYTimes.
it would be worth questioning the columnists and reporters on why they defended the criminal practices in Soviet Union and Stalin, but unfortunately, all the columnists are long dead and resting in their graves now.
back in the 1930s, US itself wasnt exactly guilt-free - US quite literally wrote a book defending racial purity, and gave said book to Hitler, who would later use it as a justification to purge Germany against jews. needless to say, US now disavows and strong condemns the genocide that followed.
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namealreadytaken wrote:


can i get a source for this? as much as i think NYT have a strong left bias, i dont think they would go so far as defend something as horrific as genocide.



The Holodomor. In specific, they denied it was happening despite overwhelming evidence.

Walter Duranty, 14 years NYT emeritus, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for covering it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080309.htm



thank you for the article, though it does seem like this happened over 80 years ago.
the NYTimes of the past may have been completely different from the modern NYTimes.
it would be worth questioning the columnists and reporters on why they defended the criminal practices in Soviet Union and Stalin, but unfortunately, all the columnists are long dead and resting in their graves now.
back in the 1930s, US itself wasnt exactly guilt-free - US quite literally wrote a book defending racial purity, and gave said book to Hitler, who would later use it as a justification to purge Germany against jews. needless to say, US now disavows and strong condemns the genocide that followed.


Well, the NYT, to my knowledge, has never disavowed Duranty, nor his coverage. Furthermore, the Pulitzer Prize was never revoked. It speaks volumes.
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karatecowboy wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:


can i get a source for this? as much as i think NYT have a strong left bias, i dont think they would go so far as defend something as horrific as genocide.



The Holodomor. In specific, they denied it was happening despite overwhelming evidence.

Walter Duranty, 14 years NYT emeritus, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for covering it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080309.htm



thank you for the article, though it does seem like this happened over 80 years ago.
the NYTimes of the past may have been completely different from the modern NYTimes.
it would be worth questioning the columnists and reporters on why they defended the criminal practices in Soviet Union and Stalin, but unfortunately, all the columnists are long dead and resting in their graves now.
back in the 1930s, US itself wasnt exactly guilt-free - US quite literally wrote a book defending racial purity, and gave said book to Hitler, who would later use it as a justification to purge Germany against jews. needless to say, US now disavows and strong condemns the genocide that followed.


Well, the NYT, to my knowledge, has never disavowed Duranty, nor his coverage. Furthermore, the Pulitzer Prize was never revoked. It speaks volumes.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

Calls for revocation of Pulitzer Prize, 1990–2003
The concern over Duranty's reporting on the famine in Soviet Ukraine led to a move to posthumously and symbolically strip him of the Pulitzer Prize he received in 1932.

In response to Stalin's Apologist (1990), the critical biography by Sally J. Taylor,[6] The New York Times assigned a member of its editorial board, Karl Meyer, to write a signed editorial about Duranty's work for the Times. In a scathing piece, Meyer said (24 June 1990) that Duranty's articles were "some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper." Duranty, Meyer said, had bet his career on Stalin's rise and "strove to preserve it by ignoring or excusing Stalin's crimes."[13] The Pulitzer Board in 1990 reconsidered the prize but decided to preserve it as awarded.[31] Four years earlier, in a review of Robert Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrow (1986), former Moscow bureau reporter Craig Whitney wrote that Duranty effectively ignored the famine until it was almost over.

In 2003, following an international campaign by the Ukrainian Canadian Civil Liberties Association, the Pulitzer Board began a renewed inquiry, and The New York Times hired Mark von Hagen, professor of Russian history at Columbia University, to review Duranty's work as a whole. Von Hagen found Duranty's reports to be unbalanced and uncritical, and that they far too often gave voice to Stalinist propaganda. In comments to the press he stated, "For the sake of The New York Times' honor, they should take the prize away."[32] The Times sent von Hagen's report to the Pulitzer Board and left it to the Board to take whatever action they considered appropriate.[33] In a letter accompanying the report, The New York Times publisher Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. called Duranty's work "slovenly" and said it "should have been recognized for what it was by his editors and by his Pulitzer judges seven decades ago."

Ultimately, Sig Gissler, administrator of the Pulitzer Prize board, declined to revoke the award. In a press release of November 21, 2003, he stated that with regard to the 13 articles by Duranty from 1931 submitted for the award "there was not clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception, the relevant standard in this case
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^thank you for the extra info.
NYTimes asked an editorial board member as well as a Soviet history expert to weight in on Duranty's articles. both of them found the articles to be strongly biased in favor of the Stalin regime. NYTimes sent prof von Hagen's report to the Pulitzer Prize board to see if they would reconsider the award, but the board were apparently happy with Durantys articles and refused to revoke the award.
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karatecowboy wrote:
The Holodomor. In specific, they denied it was happening despite overwhelming evidence.

Walter Duranty, 14 years NYT emeritus, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for covering it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080309.htm


Dude, if you have to go back to the era of black and white photography to try and justify your statement you might just be stretching it. I'm pretty confident I can find something horrifying in practically any American newspaper if I'm allowed to go back a century.



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Well, the NYT, to my knowledge, has never disavowed Duranty, nor his coverage. Furthermore, the Pulitzer Prize was never revoked. It speaks volumes.


https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/24/opinion/the-editorial-notebook-trenchcoats-then-and-now.html


The reporter was Walter Duranty, then The New York Times's Moscow correspondent, who is credited with coining the term ''Stalinism.'' He was fascinated, almost mesmerized by the harsh system he described. And having bet on Stalin's rise in the 1920's, Mr. Duranty remained loyally partial to his horse. The result was some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper.


"Your knowledge" didn't involve reading your own links? Because I found that immediately just by clicking his name from your wiki link and reading his wiki page.


Nevermind this:

https://www.nytco.com/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/

Which is quite literally the second Google result for his name right after his Wikipedia page.





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i wonder what kind of standards pulitzer board have to refuse to revoke an award from a reporter who spread blatant Stalin propaganda.
if they have any standards at all, that is.

board members for the years 2003-2004:
http://www.pulitzer.org/board/2004

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This raises the question, who brought the accusations against Duranty to the attention of the board? The board had shown no concern about Duranty before my letters and those of others brought the matter to their attention. Were they reacting to my letters of December 2002 – January 2003, or perhaps to the letters of several Ukrainian Orthodox and Catholic parishes demanding the revocation of Duranty’s prize? The board certainly did not initiate an investigation of Duranty without external prodding.
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Further, Gissler claimed that ”there was not clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception, the relevant standard in this case.” This statement is not substantiated by any proof and has no merit on its own. However, it does have value because it follows my request to Gissler earlier in the year, “to advise me of the Pulitzer Board’s guidelines for having Walter Duranty’s Pulitzer Prize revoked.”
According to Gissler, “deliberate deception” is the standard for revoking Duranty’s prize. In March, 2007, I sent Gissler, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., and members of the board proof of deception in Duranty’s "prize-winning” articles of 1931 12.
Sigvard remained silent.
Is this the kind of journalism that is taught at the Columbia School of Journalism and practiced by the newspapers employing the Pulitzer board members? 13

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Why I hate the internet, white people victimizing themselves. Oh wow it's so hard to be a white person.
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Why I hate the internet, white people victimizing themselves. Oh wow it's so hard to be a white person.


All I see in your post is a lot of hatred
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karatecowboy wrote:
The Holodomor. In specific, they denied it was happening despite overwhelming evidence.

Walter Duranty, 14 years NYT emeritus, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for covering it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080309.htm


Dude, if you have to go back to the era of black and white photography to try and justify your statement you might just be stretching it. I'm pretty confident I can find something horrifying in practically any American newspaper if I'm allowed to go back a century.



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Well, the NYT, to my knowledge, has never disavowed Duranty, nor his coverage. Furthermore, the Pulitzer Prize was never revoked. It speaks volumes.


https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/24/opinion/the-editorial-notebook-trenchcoats-then-and-now.html


The reporter was Walter Duranty, then The New York Times's Moscow correspondent, who is credited with coining the term ''Stalinism.'' He was fascinated, almost mesmerized by the harsh system he described. And having bet on Stalin's rise in the 1920's, Mr. Duranty remained loyally partial to his horse. The result was some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper.


"Your knowledge" didn't involve reading your own links? Because I found that immediately just by clicking his name from your wiki link and reading his wiki page.


Nevermind this:

https://www.nytco.com/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/

Which is quite literally the second Google result for his name right after his Wikipedia page.







Dude, if you have to go back to them covering up genocide then you might be stretching the claim that they covered up genocide because of arbitrary technical development standards!

I suppose that's all part of the mysterious Context that lets you pretend calls for genocide aren't actually calls for genocide. Maybe rather than criticizing some quibbles about links I posted, maybe you should think about the Context of posting them.
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Dude, if you have to go back to them covering up genocide then you might be stretching the claim that they covered up genocide because of arbitrary technical development standards!

I suppose that's all part of the mysterious Context that lets you pretend calls for genocide aren't actually calls for genocide. Maybe rather than criticizing some quibbles about links I posted, maybe you should think about the Context of posting them.


So you make a point about how much it says that the NYT never disavowed Duranty or his coverage and immediately get called out by several users for being flat wrong and your response is to largely ignore those points and attack the user for calling you out for your bad example/flawed argument?

Sounds about right...
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Why I hate the internet, white people victimizing themselves. Oh wow it's so hard to be a white person.


For all the grief minorities get for supposedly being overly sensitive, white people seem to be much greater offenders there.
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LingLingJuju wrote:

Why I hate the internet, white people victimizing themselves. Oh wow it's so hard to be a white person.


For all the grief minorities get for supposedly being overly sensitive, white people seem to be much greater offenders there.


I know. It's not like members of one of the world's most influential papers is calling for genocide.

Oh, wait..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqz3X2H-f0w


Fess up, man. You're defending her because you agree with her.
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