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Well a soul is something that exists outside the body its spiritual big difference imo


exists "outside" the body? "while you're in it?"

what's "you?"
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I wish I was young again
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I wish I was young again


you're 18, what the heck do you want

man, if I knew when I was 18 what I know now...
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Yellowkitty96 wrote:

I wish I was young again


you're 18, what the heck do you want

man, if I knew when I was 18 what I know now...


Everyone says that.
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Certain alterations of the body, such as prosthetic limbs, I would not consider to dehumanize a person. However, to make humans immortal would require such an alteration so as to change our DNA. Changing the DNA in such a way makes us non-human, would you agree? Throughout history, many have thought of ourselves to have souls because of our being human. This is why you would be giving up your soul if you effectively decide to not be human anymore, whether you believe in the existence of a literal soul separate from the body or not. Let's take a look at the definition of a soul:

soul - the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

The soul is immortal, not the human. Being immortal goes against the idea of a soul, because it is the soul that is supposed to be immortal, not the physical body.




It would evolve us into Trans-humans so yes we would lose humanity but for the better.
Also souls are fiction so i wouldn't see them as a good point,.
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BushyBrowSensei wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Well a soul is something that exists outside the body its spiritual big difference imo


exists "outside" the body? "while you're in it?"

what's "you?"


thats why the soul is unrealistic.
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Ruleaus wrote:


Certain alterations of the body, such as prosthetic limbs, I would not consider to dehumanize a person. However, to make humans immortal would require such an alteration so as to change our DNA. Changing the DNA in such a way makes us non-human, would you agree? Throughout history, many have thought of ourselves to have souls because of our being human. This is why you would be giving up your soul if you effectively decide to not be human anymore, whether you believe in the existence of a literal soul separate from the body or not. Let's take a look at the definition of a soul:

soul - the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

The soul is immortal, not the human. Being immortal goes against the idea of a soul, because it is the soul that is supposed to be immortal, not the physical body.




It would evolve us into Trans-humans so yes we would lose humanity but for the better.
Also souls are fiction so i wouldn't see them as a good point,.


That is the deception my friend because it’s not for the better. The cycle of birth and death is a necessary one. One could argue that for a number of reasons such as overpopulation or not wanting to make bad people immortal. We are already immortality because we have a soul. Yes, we have one. It’s part of us, not separate from us. When we die, then it separates from our physical bodies.

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Ruleaus wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


Ruleaus wrote:


Certain alterations of the body, such as prosthetic limbs, I would not consider to dehumanize a person. However, to make humans immortal would require such an alteration so as to change our DNA. Changing the DNA in such a way makes us non-human, would you agree? Throughout history, many have thought of ourselves to have souls because of our being human. This is why you would be giving up your soul if you effectively decide to not be human anymore, whether you believe in the existence of a literal soul separate from the body or not. Let's take a look at the definition of a soul:

soul - the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

The soul is immortal, not the human. Being immortal goes against the idea of a soul, because it is the soul that is supposed to be immortal, not the physical body.




It would evolve us into Trans-humans so yes we would lose humanity but for the better.
Also souls are fiction so i wouldn't see them as a good point,.


That is the deception my friend because it’s not for the better. The cycle of birth and death is a necessary one. One could argue that for a number of reasons such as overpopulation or not wanting to make bad people immortal. We are already immortality because we have a soul. Yes, we have one. It’s part of us, not separate from us. When we die, then it separates from our physical bodies.




Overpopulation is a symptom not without solutions.
Also it's not deception a cycle of birth and death is needed for creatures without the means to self evolve.
Also no we don't have souls scientifically prove it
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so why age?


Putting aside the whole "that's not how any of this works problem" the "so why age" is because of evolution. We evolve because we keep issuing new models so to speak. If we cease aging ( and thus dying ) we effectively become a genetic bottleneck on our own evolution. Which would likely lead us to having to use genetic engineering to create new kinds of humans to adapt to changing environmental factors.

Look at it this way: Say you became immortal 500 years ago. You would be shorter, smaller, less intelligence and less healthy than a modern human. You'd be immortal, sure, but obsolete and since we're only talking about ceasing the aging process you could still be killed by the plethora of health risk factors you would have as someone born 500 years ago. Nevermind how poorly adapted you would be to the modern world. WE'RE not even well adapted to the modern world as is.

Being an immortal member of a species as rapidly changing as humans would suck. You'd become the genetic equivalent of a Nokia 3310.


The issue here is with genetic modification we can effectively control our own evolution. What's not to say we don't one day figure out how to move our minds from one host to another and basically upgrade ourselves.
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Posted 9/29/18 , edited 9/29/18

Ryulightorb wrote:


BushyBrowSensei wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Well a soul is something that exists outside the body its spiritual big difference imo


exists "outside" the body? "while you're in it?"

what's "you?"


thats why the soul is unrealistic.


this is a quantum mechanical experiment from which you cannot remove yourself - beliefs can limit your reality in certain ways. this might all just be a matter of semantics - but I'm kind of an accuracy nazi where verbiage is concerned, for if the definitions of terms are allowed to arbitrarily be changed, then it impugns our ability to communicate effectively with one another.

I dont differentiate between "that which sees" and "my actual awareness" (not meaning just me being aware) and "my soul" and "my consciousness." they are all effectively the same thing - i'm just trying to understand what your distinction is, and whether we're relatively in agreement, or is your view actually a limitation on the matter. maybe things like this dont matter a ton while you're living, but when you're dying, these things matter quite a bit.
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Elcatro wrote:
The issue here is with genetic modification we can effectively control our own evolution. What's not to say we don't one day figure out how to move our minds from one host to another and basically upgrade ourselves.


While genetic modification is certainly possible if not inevitable it means our notoriously short sighted species trying to predict what adaptions we will need in the future. Then those artificial adaptions being injected back into the natural system of reproduction causing lord knows what kind of mutations and ripple effects.

Moving our minds is a far far more difficult proposition. We do not understand consciousness as is and finding a method to actually move it rather than copy it may not be possible. Uploading your mind into a computer doesn't mean uploading YOUR mind into a computer. It means copying your mind into a computer. You, yourself, are still gonna die. The copy will continue on.
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