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The direction, story telling, and everything else is really good but after 7 episodes so far I just really dislike the gundam pilots and the big boobs girl who seems to be in charge of them. I kind of want to keep watching in the hopes that something awful will happen to all of them but I got a feeling that the show isn't intending to inspire that kind of reaction. I'm guessing if I do continue it would just be a disappointment but who knows. So I'd like to ask, from that perspective, do you think I will get the satisfaction of ms. sumeragi getting thrown into a goblin slayer style goblin den? Is it worth continuing in the hopes that they're all going to get hosed or am I just wasting time on something that isn't gonna happen?

I wish someone would do an Evangelion style deconstruction of the show. Like mad immortal scientist creates super weapons piloted by brainwashed child soldiers to wage war against the earth. I can feel sorry for the children but boobs girl apparently had a reasonable upbringing and is well educated so what conclusions can I draw about her? Is she a psychopath or a sadist, or is just really dense and can't understand that their might makes right philosophy won't make the world an intrinsically better place? Just can't dig it.
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The direction, story telling, and everything else is really good but after 7 episodes so far I just really dislike the gundam pilots and the big boobs girl who seems to be in charge of them. I kind of want to keep watching in the hopes that something awful will happen to all of them but I got a feeling that the show isn't intending to inspire that kind of reaction. I'm guessing if I do continue it would just be a disappointment but who knows. So I'd like to ask, from that perspective, do you think I will get the satisfaction of ms. sumeragi getting thrown into a goblin slayer style goblin den? Is it worth continuing in the hopes that they're all going to get hosed or am I just wasting time on something that isn't gonna happen?

I wish someone would do an Evangelion style deconstruction of the show. Like mad immortal scientist creates super weapons piloted by brainwashed child soldiers to wage war against the earth. I can feel sorry for the children but boobs girl apparently had a reasonable upbringing and is well educated so what conclusions can I draw about her? Is she a psychopath or a sadist, or is just really dense and can't understand that their might makes right philosophy won't make the world an intrinsically better place? Just can't dig it.


I'll be honest, it's been years since I watched 00, but I seem to recall it wasn't one of my favorites, nor was SEED. I liked UC since I just saw it recently, but it might take some backstory since it's in the main timeline with the original Gundam and others. 08th MS team was one of my favorites, I liked how they got into the details of maintaining a fighting force in a ground battle, none of the grand savior vs evil that the main shows often feature. Wing doesn't really involve any super busty women, but there are women in various positions of power and support through the series. G-Gundam is the oddball, tournament fighting mecha for democratic control of the world, but some people say it's their favorite.

None of the shows go as dark as Goblin Slayer, to my knowledge. In the Gundam shows I can recall, any implied sex is consensual, and off camera.

ETA: OH! But if you do want a dark Gundam series, go for Iron-Blooded Orphans. It's not in the main continuity so there's no backstory to pick up from, and it's definitely dark.
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Awesome, thanks for putting all the thought into it. Definitely going to skip wing for similar philosophical issues though from what I remember of it I don't recall finding it quite as obnoxious. Guess I can start googling UC and see what the time line of shows looks like and the 08th MS as well. That at least sounds like it emphasizes what I thought of as strengths in this 00 series. More realistic deployment and combat and less crazy child solders and instant triggering philosophy. That comment about goblin slayer was meant to be a joke. Not planning on watching or not watching the shows over any sexual content rather trying to demonstrate exactly how much I dislike that character.
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I'll admit, I also have a personal fondness for 08th because at one point, they're doing a bootup sequence on a monitor.. and to make techno-babble, they used the DirectX (a Windows game kit, similar to OpenGL) directory listing scrolling past. I had to pause and laugh when I saw that, since I was using DirectX at my first professional job at the time, so I knew exactly what version they were even going from.
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00 Is one of the best "side story" gundam shows there is. If you don't like it, it will be difficult to like much else tbh.

Of course nothing is better than shows in the UC Timeline afaiac.

That said if you just want to have some really good dumb robot fun, try gund Build Fighters, and then Gundam Build Fighters Try. Just resist the urge to get into plamo.
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Honestly, G Gundam is still one of my favorites because of it's absolutely whacky antics.

I'm going to agree and say 00 is definitely one of the better side story Gundam series (At least.. for the first season). I'm not really sure why you're watching Gundam hoping for a car crash to be honest, while that's an important point to the Gundam franchise that "war is bad, m'kay" it's not the only defining characteristic. Maybe I am overstepping but you're expecting too much of what isn't really a hardline dynamic in the series.

Also, if you're having trouble getting into 00, definitely don't go back and try Wing.. I would strictly if you want to watch Endless Waltz and appreciate it to the fullest but that's a tall order to sift through a 50 ep show.

My personal recommendations if you don't want to continue 00 are Iron-blooded Orphans, Turn A, 08th MS, and 83 Stardust Memory if you haven't watched that before. (Also going to throw in Aldnoah:Zero as an aside that deserves love even if the MC is a bit Gary Stu. Not even remotely Gundam though.)
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I've managed to watch Gundam 00 all the way to the end, and I didn't get much of the same reaction you did. In my case, I wanted to watch that show just to see what kind of teamwork can be generated between the four Celestial Being Gundams and the Ptolemaios, all without combining with each other compared to, say, the Super Sentai mecha, Go Lion/Voltron, GaoGaiGar, and Gurren Lagann.
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I don't recall whre 7 episodes is on 00, but it does get much better about midway through the first season. I get that some of the attitudes feel a little 'small' among the characters, but it does get better, but I can't say more than that for risk of spoilge.

Things really kind of start getting interesting when the 'throne units' appear later on. (Although all but one of their pilots I just could never stand.)

The thing that's great though about 00 is eacy character has flaws, and not necessarily the same ones, and it on more than one occasion gets them into trouble.
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,,,,and the big boobs girl who seems to be in charge of them.

If you are referring to Sumeragi Lee Noriega, you must be an old codger like me to be referring to a woman in her mid-20's (26 as of the first series) as a "girl".

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The direction, story telling, and everything else is really good but after 7 episodes so far I just really dislike the gundam pilots and the big boobs girl who seems to be in charge of them. I kind of want to keep watching in the hopes that something awful will happen to all of them but I got a feeling that the show isn't intending to inspire that kind of reaction. I'm guessing if I do continue it would just be a disappointment but who knows. So I'd like to ask, from that perspective, do you think I will get the satisfaction of ms. sumeragi getting thrown into a goblin slayer style goblin den? Is it worth continuing in the hopes that they're all going to get hosed or am I just wasting time on something that isn't gonna happen?
Just can't dig it.




I was in the same boat. Couldn't really get into Gundam until I opened up the original 1979 series Mobile Suit Gundam.




I'll highly suggest watching through the UC timeline, as others have suggested. The original Mobile Suit Gundam is the opening UC timeline piece, and it works just fine. It showcases the world and the mecha battles with a realistic edge that still honestly surprises me. If you want to get into the more gritty Gundam's you continue past the original, as many of the better gritty Gundam stories come from the same timeline as the original, generally during or after.


For example, the highly regarded 08th team takes place during the middle of the original anime, but rather than waste time with exposition it tells a story with it's characters assuming you know the universe it's set in.


That's the greatest strength and weakness of Gundam. Some series can tell great stories due to the setting, and some tell horrible stories because it's using the Gundam setting as a crutch. I believe 00 used Gundam as a crutch to make itself more popular.



aaaaaaaaaaand once you get past the original Mobile Suit Gundam(You can use the movies if you don't want to watch 40 epsiodes of anime) you get to Zeta Gundam, where everything about the original Gundam is there, but it's played much much darker.
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I think the non Setsuna pilots develop quite a bit throughout the series so you should at least look forward to that, if you like everything else about the series you should keep watching it (but skip the movie)

I've always been a bigger fan of the non-UC gundams, with the exception for 08th MS team, so 00 and IBO are probably along with 08th MS team are probably my top three for what it's worth. I do think 00 gets better as it goes along, but I'm not sure how much you'll end up liking Sumeragi or Setsuna.
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McStabbyPants wrote:

The direction, story telling, and everything else is really good but after 7 episodes so far I just really dislike the gundam pilots and the big boobs girl who seems to be in charge of them. I kind of want to keep watching in the hopes that something awful will happen to all of them but I got a feeling that the show isn't intending to inspire that kind of reaction. I'm guessing if I do continue it would just be a disappointment but who knows. So I'd like to ask, from that perspective, do you think I will get the satisfaction of ms. sumeragi getting thrown into a goblin slayer style goblin den? Is it worth continuing in the hopes that they're all going to get hosed or am I just wasting time on something that isn't gonna happen?

I wish someone would do an Evangelion style deconstruction of the show. Like mad immortal scientist creates super weapons piloted by brainwashed child soldiers to wage war against the earth. I can feel sorry for the children but boobs girl apparently had a reasonable upbringing and is well educated so what conclusions can I draw about her? Is she a psychopath or a sadist, or is just really dense and can't understand that their might makes right philosophy won't make the world an intrinsically better place? Just can't dig it.


Then you are looking for Gundam Wing.

Jokes aside though, very few Gundam protagonists are heroic right off the bat. Even with the original Gundam UC 0079 Amuro is whiny and impulsive. The only reason he wins is because the mobile suit is That much more powerful than the zakus. Character flaws are kind of a staple of Gundam protagonists.

To think of others, Heero from Gundam Wing is a cold hearted killer, Kira from Gundam Seed is pussy whipped by Flay and subdues his friend in a dick measuring contest over her, then in Destiny he becomes completely infallible making Kirito from SAO look like Shinji from Eva. Shinn from Destiny is completely revenge driven, so far so he is the most hated Gundam character out there. The MC of Gundam AGE literally spends his entire life trying to exterminate the enemy force responsible for killing his mother and his side bitch. And by exterminate I mean he holds a huge grudge. Then there is Reconcista of G... I actually think the MC in that is fairly a nice guy, but the story is impossible to follow. That show could give you whiplash.

If you want protagonists that are a bit more heroic from the start, try Macross. They aren’t perfect but they have less issues.
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If you want protagonists that are a bit more heroic from the start, try Macross. They aren’t perfect but they have less issues.


How about Gundam 08th MS Team?
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