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I have noticed that in many anime/manga series, a villain or antagonist is not always pure evil. That is, while their methods of carrying something out (how they are doing it) might be evil or wrong, their intentions (why they are doing it) might be noble. The same thing applies to the hero or protagonist, in which case they might be an anti-hero. Heck, sometimes a speech the villain or antagonist gives to the hero or protagonist will have the hero or protagonist reconsider an ideology or vice versa.

This thread is about the about the opposite: That is, it is a series where the hero or protagonist has noble intentions that are carried out by noble means whereas the villain or antagonist has bad intentions carried out by bad means. With this, the hero or protagonist's views and methods of carrying out those views are what the reader should be siding with whereas the villain or antagonist's views and methods of carrying those out are what the reader should be condemning. The villain or antagonist literally has no qualities that the reader would be sympathetic with and the only way to truly stop that villain or antagonist is by the hero or protagonist killing them.

Know of any series where the villain or antagonist has no redeeming qualities (literally, absolutely none) to where the hero or protagonist HAS to kill them? Surely there is at least 1 out there that has a villain so foul that you (the reader) want them killed by the hero by the final chapter.

To clarify: The main villain is set-up as pure evil from the very start and there is absolutely no way to reason with them beyond killing the main villain. Also, while I prefer my criteria apply to all villains, the criteria applying to only the main or final villain also works.
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Yes, Naruto Shippuden, Kaguya has no redeeming qualities. She just seems evil.
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Yes, Naruto Shippuden, Kaguya has no redeeming qualities. She just seems evil.


Kaguya was betrayed and hunted by the humans she tried to protect. That's the only reason she ate the fruit and went bad.
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I can think of a lot. Everybody from Laughing Coffin in SAO, Ragyo Kiryuin from Kill la Kill, Anti-Spirals from Gurren Lagann, Ryo Asuka from Devilman (As well as basically every minor antagonist), etc.
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While Akame ga Kill has a lot of villains with redeeming qualities, there is an equal number villains that do not. Namely, the central villain Prime Minister Honest, and the Wild Hunt group led by his son Syura. These guys are literally the worst of humanity given form, because they don't have any reasons for what they do and the atrocities they cause aside from simply wanting to enjoy life to the fullest, and they believe that anything in the world is theirs for the taking. Every act they commit throughout the series is done with a smile, and I can't think of a more despicable and twisted bunch of villains.
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Zombies. You're thinking Zombies here.



Zombies are mindless murder virus creatures that walk around biting, scratching, eating, and killing people. The only redeeming quality they have comes not from the zombies themselves but from how easy it is to tell stories about characters who are faced with this menace.
Oh I hear you! "But zombies arn't the antagonists in zombie anime! They have bigger eviler more complex and perhaps redeemable villains in them!"


That's because the entire concept of a bland one note villain is in itself poor. You have mindless goo then you have ACTUAL CHARACTER.
Even unsympathetic villains, like the classic Joker of Batman fame, has a fan base. There is a certain joy in the wild anarchy that Joker promotes. It's the raw unredeeming horribleness of the Joker that actually redeems him. He's not right in the head and he runs around acting like the loony he is.
Batman is MORE good specifically BECAUSE he is sympathetic to the Joker. He understands that Joker is insane and that he has no ability to save him. Batman simply locks the joker up s best he can and comes forth to stop the Joker when he comes to cause more trouble

Mercy isn't just about not killing someone. It's about sparing someone you should kill. Batman not killing Joker is part of what makes him heroic just as Joker killing a random person without mercy such a villain


So some of these characters can seem evil just for being evil...but remember. Every villain is the good guy from their point of view.



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I can think of a lot. Everybody from Laughing Coffin in SAO, Ragyo Kiryuin from Kill la Kill, Anti-Spirals from Gurren Lagann, Ryo Asuka from Devilman (As well as basically every minor antagonist), etc.



Laughing Coffin is about as well thought out as a early 2000's movie-video game tie in. They're bad guy NPC's in a video game and nothing more.


The others however....they're all the good guys from their point of view. Ragyo isn't on our side, she is actively trying to win and it's those foolish naked apes that are the villains here. They stand in direct opposition of her goals. This doesn't mean she's some nonredeemable bad guy that is always wrong and does the wrong things for evil. She's simply not on the side of humanity, and thus is the antagonist to our heroes who are human.
Anti-Spirals are the same here. They realize that they're going to end the world if they continue down the path of progress...so they intentionally stop going down that path while preventing anyone else from passing that point. The show makes it very clear that it's not about who is right or wrong, but about the heroes being willing to continue down the path the anti-spirals are trying so hard to block off. The conflict comes from the confrontation between these two ideas.


Devilman Crybaby....it can be more complicated. Ryo is, unlike the demons, very redeemable. Hell, the entire narrative kinda hinges on a "he could be redeemed but it didn't happen in time" motif. Like, he becomes redeemable at the exact moment that it's too late. Kinda like realizing that jumping off a cliff is a bad idea about 20 seconds away from impact. It's a big theme there.
The demons in Devilman Crybaby however....they're pretty cut throat. While ruthlessness is a recurring theme in villains, the Demons in Devilman Crybaby are kinda just overpowered children. They kill to eat...but they also eat because they can rather than because they're hungry. They also kill when they're full just because they can. They just do things! They're big and strong and bored and they got all these claws and teeth and hey lets' kill more people!

The demons go so far as to throw a random tantrum. A whole "Hey! I can't do this? FUCK YOU MAN! *Starts literally doing exactly what you told him not to*" You tell them don't kill humans so they grab a human by the leg's and start's hitting other humans with it. It's kinda stupid but it's also kinda real. Like, they have loose morals and are really murder happy by nature.




Man I'm just...typing way too much this morning. But villains are rarely these black and white "i'm evil because I do EVIL THINGS!". It's just not how things work. Even the earliest of Disney movies the villains have goals to accomplish and obstacles to overcome. What makes the villain evil is what they're willing to do to reach these goals.
There are two ways of becoming the best *Insert job title here* in the world. Become better at the job/skill or kill everyone who is better than you. Look at Snow White! Snow White is the fairest maiden in the land...so....kill her and she's not. Wow. Why waste money and time on surgery and make up when you can LITERALLY JUST KILL THE COMPETITION.




But yeah. Want nonredeemable evil villain? Go for a plague, virus, or faceless blob.
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One Punch Man

An image of a cactus in a pot with rocks had come to mind. People like Arnold Scwarzenegger and Bruce Lee had to be admonished. They progressed way faster than any normal person should have. They had essentially wanted to become Gods, but they could not have reached that kind of height. Taking advantage of indulgence in an over abundant society is completely irresponsible. Please don't feed the birds! If you are looking for a villainous character with no redeeming qualities at all, One Punch Man is it.

If a villain doesn't have any redeeming qualities, it would have to mean the villain is absolutely wrong.

https://thewritepractice.com/types-anti-villains/
http://www.bakabuzz.com/10-anti-villain-anime-characters/3/

How do you tell a true lie?

If a person said, "I tell the truth all the time. There isn't a moment in time where I am not completely truthful. I live at 12345 Number road. Do you know where that is?"

"No."

"It's in the phone book but nobody gets it anymore. Remember, not all things that are funny get laughed at."


How would you view this person?


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Ragyo isn't on our side, she is actively trying to win and it's those foolish naked apes that are the villains here..


She experimented on her own daughters and sexually abused them for her own pleasure. That goes beyond "well I am taking this side here so you guys are my enemy". She only cared about gaining her own power, nothing more.
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Felstalker wrote:

Ragyo isn't on our side, she is actively trying to win and it's those foolish naked apes that are the villains here..


She experimented on her own daughters and sexually abused them for her own pleasure. That goes beyond "well I am taking this side here so you guys are my enemy". She only cared about gaining her own power, nothing more.



Well yeah, but that doesn't means she's "evil for the sake of being evil" She has her own goals and aspirations and treats humans as objects for her pleasure or amusement. She's not a nice person, but she's not objectively evil. She's subjectively evil. There's a difference.
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Dio Brando from JoJo's bizarre adventure.
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You are looking for Non-Human villains. So, AI, Robots, Angels, Demons, Zombies. Frankly even entities like the Angels from Evangelion have a purpose which you might call a redeeming quality.
Maybe you need to rethink what Evil means. Maybe one cannot "BE" evil, but rather "DO" evil.
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I'm going to go with Johan Liebert in Monster. The main character is a surgeon who feels guilty for saving his life when Liebert was still a child. That's pretty damn evil.

Only two others come to mind, though they aren't the main villain of the whole series:

Sugou Nobuyuki in SAO (main villain of the second arc) (The laughing coffin guys are mostly kids warped by an insanely tragic situation. Sugou is an adult who knows exactly what he's doing, and motivated by pure greed.)

Zolgear in Testament of Sister New Devil (main villain of the first arc)



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Kumo desu ga, nani ka.

Potimas is truly one of the most worthless pieces of shit ever put to paper. Truly he is a villain that deserves what comes to him. Having said this the protagonist is not exactly a saint and the entire story is full of quite complex questions of grey morality, but the one character that can truly be said to be pure human garbage is Potimas.
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