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Anti-encryption legilsation is set to pass in Australia

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Posted 12/5/18 , edited 12/5/18
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-04/australia-set-to-pass-encryption-law-despite-tech-giant-protests?srnd=technology-vp

The legislation would give the government the power to compel tech companies to break encryption and to develop the capability to hand government and police any data they want. This would be done in secret with no accountability to the public. They claim that these powers are needed because criminals are increasingly using encrypted communications and tech companies aren't doing enough to help police and government.

This undercuts the security and privacy of the internet, computers, smartphones, and smart speakers. Several other major Western countries--including the United States--have signaled a joint interest in passing legislation like this so you can expect similar stuff to pass here.

I don't know if it's possible to overstate how terrible and damaging this legislation is, or how dishonest the government is being in how it frames the conversation around it. Given that governments around the world have continually voted in favor of the expansion of powers in the name of national security, I don't think there is anything an ordinary citizen can do about it.
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Yeah we are all crying for it not to happen here yet they are still doing it.
What can you expect from the conservative government in place now they fucked up our internet which was going to get better and keep doing shit like this.

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Net Neutrality
Article 13

Everything is going downhill from here
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Yeah we are all crying for it not to happen here yet they are still doing it.
What can you expect from the conservative government in place now they fucked up our internet which was going to get better and keep doing shit like this.

:(


Was there massive backlash in Australia against this legislation? How does your legislative process work exactly? The Bloomberg article mentions the legislation being in review for 12 months. Does that mean it won't go into effect for a year after passing while the government considers it, or does that mean it will go into effect immediately with negative effects being "considered" by the government for 12 months to make sure it's working?

Is there any chance of it getting torpedoed at this stage?
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Net Neutrality
Article 13

Everything is going downhill from here


Net Neutrality is still being fought for, and Article 13 is still being negotiated. Those might end up being mitigated. But this? Even if Article 13 and the death of Net Neutrality reap the worst possible horrors, a massive increase in government and police powers and the essential end of private communications and software security beats them by a mile. I honestly can't think of anything being done in the next 10 years that would be worse than this.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-04/australia-set-to-pass-encryption-law-despite-tech-giant-protests?srnd=technology-vp

The legislation would give the government the power to compel tech companies to break encryption and to develop the capability to hand government and police any data they want. This would be done in secret with no accountability to the public. They claim that these powers are needed because criminals are increasingly using encrypted communications and tech companies aren't doing enough to help police and government.

This undercuts the security and privacy of the internet, computers, smartphones, and smart speakers. Several other major Western countries--including the United States--have signaled a joint interest in passing legislation like this so you can expect similar stuff to pass here.

I don't know if it's possible to overstate how terrible and damaging this legislation is, or how dishonest the government is being in how it frames the conversation around it. Given that governments around the world have continually voted in favor of the expansion of powers in the name of national security, I don't think there is anything an ordinary citizen can do about it.


the feds didnt even need Apple's permission to get into that iphone in San Bernadino

....when you're hacked at the hardware layer beneath the software....

what's australia worried that with the death of the 5 eyes arrangement, they wont be able to snoop wherever they want?

Aus is fkd up, any country that'll do what they did to Men At Work has got issues.
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well based upon the government in question no great surprise. they do piggyback off of the British empire to this day, they are their own, however since the Brits are so quick to destroy privacy this makes perfect sense it would stretch beyond that. farewell privacy in this part of the world. why people continue to vote for such things is beyond me. and what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up...
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EarthLight22 wrote:

Even if Article 13 and the death of Net Neutrality reap the worst possible horrors, a massive increase in government and police powers and the essential end of private communications and software security beats them by a mile. I honestly can't think of anything being done in the next 10 years that would be worse than this.

This. Although I don't think this would fly in the states. Hard to say for sure these days, though.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Yeah we are all crying for it not to happen here yet they are still doing it.
What can you expect from the conservative government in place now they fucked up our internet which was going to get better and keep doing shit like this.

:(


Was there massive backlash in Australia against this legislation? How does your legislative process work exactly? The Bloomberg article mentions the legislation being in review for 12 months. Does that mean it won't go into effect for a year after passing while the government considers it, or does that mean it will go into effect immediately with negative effects being "considered" by the government for 12 months to make sure it's working?

Is there any chance of it getting torpedoed at this stage?


Basically it's just an idea at the moment it's in it's drafting review after the draft it needs to be put in then voted on IIRC i could be wrong though.

They still need to present the bill to the house then have a second reading debate and consider the small details then the final stage is the third reading.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/House_of_Representatives/Powers_practice_and_procedure/00_-_Infosheets/Infosheet_7_-_Making_laws

There is a massive backlash at the moment it's all over the news and people are pissed :P


https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/05/australia-rushes-its-dangerous-anti-encryption-bill-into-parliament/
The Conservative government in now is REALLY trying to push it's control i want to vote them out already...Labour ain;t that much better hopping a third party gets in next year
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well based upon the government in question no great surprise. they do piggyback off of the British empire to this day, they are their own, however since the Brits are so quick to destroy privacy this makes perfect sense it would stretch beyond that. farewell privacy in this part of the world. why people continue to vote for such things is beyond me. and what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up...




"what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up"

It's a good and bad thing
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Ryulightorb wrote:


niotabunny wrote:

well based upon the government in question no great surprise. they do piggyback off of the British empire to this day, they are their own, however since the Brits are so quick to destroy privacy this makes perfect sense it would stretch beyond that. farewell privacy in this part of the world. why people continue to vote for such things is beyond me. and what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up...




"what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up"

It's a good and bad thing


yeah this way they always know how many votes are going to be cast, it makes electoral fraud easier
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Ryulightorb wrote:


niotabunny wrote:

well based upon the government in question no great surprise. they do piggyback off of the British empire to this day, they are their own, however since the Brits are so quick to destroy privacy this makes perfect sense it would stretch beyond that. farewell privacy in this part of the world. why people continue to vote for such things is beyond me. and what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up...




"what's worse you are forced to vote in Australia, so that just means they are showing up to show up"

It's a good and bad thing


yeah this way they always know how many votes are going to be cast, it makes electoral fraud easier


Your saying that like it's not already easier in the world..
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Not going to do them much good. The really bad actors will use their own encryption instead of the built in encryption. Blowfish and variants are in the public domain and easy to implement. So, they don't have to worry about tech company back doors. It's your average Joe, getting divorced or sued that will suffer from this.
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Does this create vulnerabilities for other nation's data?
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