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Posted 12/17/18 , edited 12/17/18
Plain and simple what are your thoughts on Brexit and should there be a second referendum?
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Needs to happen yesterday
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Going for a second referendum would be undemocratic because it null and voids the first vote simply because the powers that be deemed it to be the incorrect vote. When I first heard about Brexit I was actually pro remain because I literally thought it was just a trade and free movement agreement. I changed my mind about that when hearing about how the EU has its own government and can pass laws in other countries. The EU is helping to pave the way towards tyranny in Europe anyway, and needs to come to an end, or at least undergo significant reformation.

As for Brexit, a no deal Brexit is the best option at this point. The UK can deal with the EU the same way non-European countries do. Yes the UK will take an economic hit, but at least it can ensure the UK remains a sovereign country into the future. The EU will eventually become a country in all but name, but who knows, maybe one day it will be a country in name too. And with the way the EU parliament and EU commission works, it's the perfect set up to pass extremely unpopular laws while keeping up the facade of being democratic.
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I think it's good and needs to happen asap. Britain never felt well in the EU nor it helped to push anything in the EU forward. The U.S. influence on the European Parliament is also declining by a huge margin with their European subsidiary of England leaving the union. I know Britain is facing an identity crisis for a while now. I wish them the best to cure it.
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Posted 12/17/18 , edited 12/18/18
It would be good to see what the public thinks now after however many years since the original vote was cast, but I do partially agree with Jecht67 about how it would be undemocratic.
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Posted 12/17/18 , edited 12/18/18
A ) It's a shit show of incompetence that could do massive lasting damage to the UK.

B) A move *that* massive should never, ever have been decided by just randomly tossing it to the general public.

C) Let alone decided on a vote margin of 1.3%.

D) It's not "undemocratic". The referendum was never legally binding in the first place.

If you and 99 other people had to decide between getting smacked in the face or shot in the groin and 51 people voted shot in the groin. Would you happily go along with it because hey, it would be "undemocratic" not to? >.>
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runec wrote:

A ) It's a shit show of incompetence that could do massive lasting damage to the UK.

B) A move *that* massive should never, ever have been decided by just randomly tossing it to the general public.

C) Let alone decided on a vote margin of 1.3%.

D) It's not "undemocratic". The referendum was never legally binding in the first place.

If you and 99 other people had to decide between getting smacked in the face or shot in the groin and 51 people voted shot in the groin. Would you happily go along with it because hey, it would be "undemocratic" not to? >.>


Uhh, I wouldn't exactly be happy, but civilised governments these days tend to rely on "decisions". This means that if a poll or vote is set in place and one side wins, even by a tiny margin, that is the side that will have their decision put forward. If it wasn't for this then events like this would never end, with the side that lost wanting a re-match (as it were), and then the loser of the re-match wanting yet another re-match and so on.

However, as stated in my post, Brexit is a bit different. Because of the jumbled mess that was the initial public vote a few years back, I do think there should be a second, more updated onel to really help reflect the majority's perspective of the situation.
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Posted 12/17/18 , edited 12/18/18

HardLight0 wrote:
Uhh, I wouldn't exactly be happy, but civilised governments these days tend to rely on "decisions". This means that if a poll or vote is set in place and one side wins, even by a tiny margin, that is the side that will have their decision put forward. If it wasn't for this then events like this would never end, with the side that lost wanting a re-match (as it were), and then the loser of the re-match wanting yet another re-match and so on.

However, as stated in my post, Brexit is a bit different. Because of the jumbled mess that was the initial public vote a few years back, I do think there should be a second, more updated onel to really help reflect the majority's perspective of the situation.


That's fine when you're dealing with matters of general politics or choosing who you want to represent you. But on a massively complex issue that in and of itself would require years of study by leading experts to determine the ramifications of you don't pass the buck to the general public. This was, as I said, not a legally binding vote. It was, ultimately, an opinion poll.

It was certainly a mess though, yes. Because when you pass off the responsibility of a decision like this to general public opinion that means you're not asking "what is the best option for our country" it means you're asking "who can market the most bullshit about this to our country".

And ho boy was there a lot of bullshit during the initial vote.
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Posted 12/18/18 , edited 12/18/18
The people spoke.
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Given the ongoing difficulties with negotiating brexit, lawmakers ought to take a long and careful look at if and how it's actually feasible.
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Posted 12/18/18 , edited 12/18/18
I voted to leave. If there is a second referendum I welcome the destruction of the illusion of democracy we hold so high.
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Posted 12/18/18 , edited 12/18/18

Walters69 wrote:

I voted to leave. If there is a second referendum I welcome the destruction of the illusion of democracy we hold so high.


Even if the deal looks to be a bad one?
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Posted 12/18/18 , edited 12/18/18

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The people spoke.


The people eat Tide Pods.
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Posted 12/18/18 , edited 12/18/18
I voted to jump into a black hole. That's what the media blasted me with before the vote. They said vote out, the economy would tank, we would enter recession and everyone would be screwed. That didn't happen. Now we need no deal. EU messed us about. Lets see who survives the bankers when we jump into that black hole
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Posted 12/18/18 , edited 12/19/18
Well since the UK is a small mostly powerless island the prospects really aren't good with or without a deal. The GB is no longer an empire but it seems people have forgotten that.
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