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The Rising of the Shield Hero Discussion

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Iron Maiden! \m/



But if only they made the summon look like Eddie instead...



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Let's be honest, we all knew this was coming
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cheshirefox wrote:

it’s ironic that this chick notes naofumi being a strong hero, which he is
but he couldn’t have beaten that thing with a single active, so gotta keep in mind
he got the change shield ability after the other heros defeated the second waves raid boss


Naofumi only assumes she was talking about him. She was really talking to Filo, who didn’t notice because she was legendarily trolling the spear hero.
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Shenseiken wrote:

In a measure of tone, I think this show has fallen apart. It has some good moments and asks some good questions, but I feel like episode 4 will sit at the top of where this show, or at least adaptation, will stand. Like in this most recent episode, Raphtalia takes Naofumi's arm and tells him that she stands with him. The show tries to take this sentimental tone mid battle, with almost no build up, and plays it so sincerely for just a couple seconds, and then the situation resolves without consequence. The frenetic nature of battle is considered only in pacing and not tone. The show tries to have sentimental moments with such brevity or thoughtlessness to the situation. It's also popping in that vengeance facet in where the story has shown life has actually been rather swell for more episodes lately than otherwise without any brooding or plotting. I'm just not feeling it. The direction is so sloppy. If we're getting the video game isekai adventure Naofumi wanted in the beginning then the narrative needs to start acting like it.

Episode 1-4 was definitely the best and hard to top. Watching the cynical and distrustful Naofumi walk around threatening people with the monsters on his body and being hated by everyone was pretty much the highlight of the show for me. Felt like a breath of fresh air compared to the typical MC's we usually see in isekai's, hell even in anime in general. I'd wish it had lasted a bit longer but oh well. Still one of the best winter anime on crunchyroll in my opinion even with the rest of the episodes being a bit of a letdown.

Right! The show went from a genre of psychological drama to action adventure. A show can certainly have all of those elements, but the switch between them is so binary that I'm left wondering, "What about the other parts of the show? Oh, there they are ...for 5 seconds."


Yeah the fast change of tone after episode 4 was a bit weird. I thought episode 5 was more or like some kind of "breather" episode just so the drama wouldn't be overplayed. But it seems the show has taken a complete change of tone after that. Motoyasu and the bitch was characters you were made to hate during those first episodes. Now they feel more like a comical duo who just jumps in to say some stupid shit then disappears.
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Shenseiken wrote:
Right! The show went from a genre of psychological drama to action adventure. A show can certainly have all of those elements, but the switch between them is so binary that I'm left wondering, "What about the other parts of the show? Oh, there they are ...for 5 seconds."


Exactly this. I looked so much forward to this series when I first saw the few episodes. The idea that the world is unfair beyond believe was so fresh even thought I knew this show would be from 0 to 100 type of story where protagonist is weak at first. Unfortunately he progressed so fast that I couldn't even feel the growth and suddenly we have "them waifus" everywhere. It was a shocking development to say from something good and new to something I've seen so many times.

I think it was very much the same with sword art online. I adored the first few episodes and characters but midway the season Azuna was tossed away to give way for ten other heroines and we didn't saw any development for her ever since. This was probably done for monetization purposes as it probably would give more money in merchandises in both shows but it was the one fact that killed those shows for me. One of the better things that Shield hero does is focusing just a little for crafting and merchant prospect in that world. Although both are close to game setting, they are still better than not having them at all and only grinding your way to the top. I always appreciate when actions are based on knowledge and not just luck or plot armor.

I think Shield hero isn't even close to worst show nor does it deserve the hate but it has become something that many have seen before, generic. I could add that it does some things better than other such generic isekai shows and that's why it's great for them who haven't seen one before. But I was abandoned wanting more what was shown the first few episodes. Does anyone have any recommendations to somewhat similar psychological drama like episodes 1-3?
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qwueri wrote:Now I want to see Spear be standing in fire, crying out for healing, and to have a healer reply, "sorry, I can't heal stupid".
pppfft~ how can u call that spineless baddy a "healer"?

*me*
standing in the fire near scrub-dd and spam-healing both of us to maximize HPS, a true  degenerate  healer doesn't miss such opportunities

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I'm surprised to see the OP Grandma is already in it - she joined a lot later in the Manga but I guess it adds a bit of -ahem- experience to the harem :p
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Naofumi's Iron Maiden was sick as fuck.
I agree with the other dude, it felt like cheating.
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What is confusing is that he has a ton of stuff in that shield of his, and we have no clue where they come from, his growth as a character is just superficial and you can't relate :(

I wish we could see how he got some of those stuff in the shield, what monster he had to kill to grab them and what they do.

I don't like this kind of Iron Maden that came from no where
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Episode 12

https://youtu.be/dGt2ydPwHL4

Gird thine loins, heroes
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Azepael wrote:

Gird thine loins, heroes


I didn't know there would be loins girded, no spoilers please

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I'm surprised to see the OP Grandma is already in it - she joined a lot later in the Manga but I guess it adds a bit of -ahem- experience to the harem :p



hahahhaha

Good episode but would be nice to have a bit more details about his adventure and how he got the skills
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What is confusing is that he has a ton of stuff in that shield of his, and we have no clue where they come from, his growth as a character is just superficial and you can't relate :(

I wish we could see how he got some of those stuff in the shield, what monster he had to kill to grab them and what they do.

I don't like this kind of Iron Maden that came from no where :(


I think it's just an upgrade of the shield prison power he got way back - somehow he fulfilled the prerequisite to activate it during that fight.
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Well I'd say this should be a great place for something similar to your aim. It's a show discussion. It's not a fan page. As long as you can be respectful to the members, then feel free to tear apart the direction, characters, or whatever else you want. If you give explanation with your emotion and accept contrasting feedback then your points should be acceptable as well.

Initially the other heroes felt like inconsistent characters. They came in cynically opposed to the system, but seemed all aboard railroading Naofumi in the royal court. Sure, they don't recognize him for any competence as a shield hero, but that's not much reason to go changing their stance just for audience and plot manipulation. It wasn't until the first "duel" between Shield and Spear that they had proof in their eyes of misconduct against him that suddenly some of them become sympathetic to him. Why be sympathetic now? Why stop being okay with the government trashing Shield Hero just because there's some evidence now? Evidence doesn't mean much when they've been clearly acting on bias and a game world perspective. They're such a flip flop of who they want to be jerks to in the beginning just for tone contrivance.

In a measure of tone, I think this show has fallen apart. It has some good moments and asks some good questions, but I feel like episode 4 will sit at the top of where this show, or at least adaptation, will stand. Like in this most recent episode, Raphtalia takes Naofumi's arm and tells him that she stands with him. The show tries to take this sentimental tone mid battle, with almost no build up, and plays it so sincerely for just a couple seconds, and then the situation resolves without consequence. The frenetic nature of battle is considered only in pacing and not tone. The show tries to have sentimental moments with such brevity or thoughtlessness to the situation. It's also popping in that vengeance facet in where the story has shown life has actually been rather swell for more episodes lately than otherwise without any brooding or plotting. I'm just not feeling it. The direction is so sloppy. If we're getting the video game isekai adventure Naofumi wanted in the beginning then the narrative needs to start acting like it.

Like Azepael has suggested, my arguments have become trite here though as I've mostly moved on from talking about it. The other reason being also like Azepael and others are giving, is all the unsolicited advice given out around here. Such as,

(recent statements sent as responses that I'd never appreciate and left as unmarked future source reference)


All this framing people's view and limiting their speculation is an attempt to either be "helpful," or more realistically, shape the kind of discussion they want to see from viewers. Telling how a story doesn't go isn't as bad as telling how does go, but it's selfish, disappointing, spoiler territory, and the chief reason I stopped participating so much here.


I can understand that as being a reason not to participate here. I wasn't planning on posting here anymore because to be quite frank if you don't worship this show ...things can turn kind of nasty here.

Shrugs.

To be honest, I think the show started to fall apart much sooner than that, but it wasn't as obvious. I would actually say it started to have problems with consistency about episode 1, because to this date ( stop watching at episode 9), we never saw any real consequences from Naofumi being accused of rape. It was suppose to be a great driving point for his character development, but other than seemingly being thrown out of the castle nothing else came from it.

He wasn't every shun nor really feared.

The closest moment after the supposing rape where we saw some sort of fall back was when the people at the diner didn't bother him about Raphtalia going in and eating. That was it, and if you think about the entire scenrio with the merchant and the balloons, knowing that the shield hero is a freaking foreigner who wouldn't know the exchange rate ...then the guy wasn't being mean to the shield hero becaue of what happen with the castle. Nope, the guy just saw someone who was an easy mark/sucker, and tried to take advantage of it.

So, what was the fall out from it?

Nothing.

Then there was the Shield hero's meeting of Raphtalia.

You have destroyer, killer, maimer, and then ...sick cute little fluffy raccoon girl.

Which would you choose to take to battle?

Yes, the sick cute little fluffy raccoon girl .....WHATTTT?

There was never a good reason for him to pick her, and what made it worst, the opening song of the show gave a better way for them to meet than what the reality was. It was miss potential, and from there, the show would continously introduce and then drop good plot points. In other words, this show just couldn't figure out the direction it wanted to go in.
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