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Posted 6/14/20 , edited 6/14/20

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Don't know why Haru or Rou ever thought they stood a chance, they only have themselves to blame for their own hurt feelings. Rikuo and Shinako never expressed any romantic interest in either of them and made it clear they liked each other, it's not their fault everyone mistook their incredible awkwardness as an opening. Get over them, you're young move on and let these two have the most awkward sex ever in 3-5 years.


Best I can come up with is...

Haru knew her rival and understood the gap but went for it anyway, it was Rikuo's ambiguity about his feelings for and subsequent developing relationship with Shinako that led to that final blow being so hard for her.

Even though I seriously dislike him, I kind of get Rou. Shinako has cultivated that dependency over a long time

But really, I don't get what the author is doing with Haru.

Perhaps she is just meant to represent missed opportunity for Rikuo after he realises Shinako is never getting out of the pit she dug for herself.

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kkmenchi wrote:

Don't know why Haru or Rou ever thought they stood a chance, they only have themselves to blame for their own hurt feelings. Rikuo and Shinako never expressed any romantic interest in either of them and made it clear they liked each other, it's not their fault everyone mistook their incredible awkwardness as an opening. Get over them, you're young move on and let these two have the most awkward sex ever in 3-5 years.


Best I can come up with is...

Haru knew her rival and understood the gap but went for it anyway, it was Rikuo's ambiguity about his feelings for and subsequent developing relationship with Shinako that led to that final blow being so hard for her.

Even though I seriously dislike him, I kind of get Rou. Shinako has cultivated that dependency over a long time

But really, I don't get what the author is doing with Haru.

Perhaps she is just meant to represent missed opportunity for Rikuo after he realises Shinako is never getting out of the pit she dug for herself.



Rikuo was never ambiguous. He clearly said that was not interested in Haru because he is obsesed with Shinako.

Here the problem is Shinako, she only wants Rikuo as a dog. She wants him to be by her side and not look at another girl, he is her boyfriend but not her boyfriend. She does not want him and at the same time she does not want him to be with another girl.

Shinako is just a monster.
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Posted 6/14/20 , edited 6/14/20

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kkmenchi wrote:

Don't know why Haru or Rou ever thought they stood a chance, they only have themselves to blame for their own hurt feelings. Rikuo and Shinako never expressed any romantic interest in either of them and made it clear they liked each other, it's not their fault everyone mistook their incredible awkwardness as an opening. Get over them, you're young move on and let these two have the most awkward sex ever in 3-5 years.


Best I can come up with is...

Haru knew her rival and understood the gap but went for it anyway, it was Rikuo's ambiguity about his feelings for and subsequent developing relationship with Shinako that led to that final blow being so hard for her.

Even though I seriously dislike him, I kind of get Rou. Shinako has cultivated that dependency over a long time

But really, I don't get what the author is doing with Haru.

Perhaps she is just meant to represent missed opportunity for Rikuo after he realises Shinako is never getting out of the pit she dug for herself.



Rikuo was never ambiguous. He clearly said that was not interested in Haru because he is obsesed with Shinako.

Here the problem is Shinako, she only wants Rikuo as a dog. She wants him to be by her side and not look at another girl, he is her boyfriend but not her boyfriend. She does not want him and at the same time she does not want him to be with another girl.

Shinako is just a monster.


That's the thing though, we can see that obsession but he's not even aware of it.

For Haru, I think it's not uncommon to fall for someone who initially doesn't have feelings for you, and although I think the author is playing fast and loose with that to get an audience reaction I can at least believe that she'd feel confident in approaching Rikuo because his apparent progress on other fronts is so pitiful.

We clearly see a moment when Rikuo can tell Haru he's in a (kind of) relationship with Shinako and he fluffs it. Why would he do that if he's been unambiguous to this point?

I did initially kind of think the author was building some kind of dynamic between all these characters but now I just think we're somehow supposed to root for this pitiful and pathetic central pair as they wallow in a mire of their own making.

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The first half of this show was pretty enjoyable, but now it's gotten Domestic Girlfriend levels of insufferable.
I didn't sign up for show about a couple in their late twenties that can't even kiss after 3 months together.

Well, it isn't like they make us watch those three months. It's pretty much an episode.

I think this show sort of fails because we never really given a reason to like Shinako. This causes issues on two fronts. First, we don't really get why Rikou likes her. We're just told he developed a crush on her in college, but we have never been shown it. And second, we weren't really shown enough of Shinako's past either, to make her sympathetic, to make us root for her to break free, to come back to life..

Which is why it all creates a situation where, in order from least likable to most:
1) Rou sucks, because he's a petulant brat who needs to grow up, ideally with some serious distance between himself and Shinako. The closest thing he gets to have a good feature is that his friend seems sorta cool.
2) Shinako isn't quite as bad, but comes across as a character with very little drive that needs to be wanted, and once she has that, stagnates. If she met a man who just wanted a homemaker (and who moved her far away from Rou), she'd no doubt make a serviceable wife, but that's about it. She's boring because she's passive, and not very likable because she's needy.
3) Rikou started out in a rut, and seemed to be making progress as he started to pursue photography. But then Shinako drug him right back into a rut. If he dumped her and started making forward progress again, he could be likable again. But needs to get rid of that anchor around his neck and spend more time hanging with his former coworker and the college friend instead (assuming he'd still ignore Haru).
4) And that leaves Haru, the most likable character, because she's an active character, is the underdog and has a few interesting quirks. I don't know if she's the right woman for Rikou (though I do think she has the drive he lacks), but I want her to win, or rather, I want her to wind up happy. The rest of the cast, well, they could encounter truck-kun and I'd be fine with that, as long as Haru winds up happy.

And I just keep watching, because I want to see Haru happy. I keep waiting for that episode where it will be her turn. And it just doesn't happen. But I must keep watching, because maybe it will.
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Posted 6/15/20 , edited 6/16/20
Ep 11.

One love triangle to the next. Shinako and Rikuo's chemistry is a bit dull considering they can't seem to be comfortable in each other's presence all that much. Truly, if it was the mere issue of Rikuo being un-aggressive then
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I feel like the mystery of Shinako will never reveal itself. It's hard to imagine things repairing itself at this point. They both constantly reminiscence about the past. I'm wondering if that is the only thing they feel happy talking about because everything else is just blegh between them. Rikuo seems happy with getting attention but it's getting pretty awkward how slowly the relationship is progressing. I think we are in for some more hurt feelings.
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Posted 6/16/20 , edited 6/16/20

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years with Tue April 1st
1975, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2014

years with Wed Oct 1st
1975, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2014

years with Mon Dec 1st
1975, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2014

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From ep 10.
Rikuo has some DVDs. DVD released on 1996. So this must be 1997, 2003, 2008 or 2014.
Manga starts on year 1997.



https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2020/06/16/dissecting-the-art-of-sing-yesterday-for-me-part-one
https://singyesterday.com/interview/interview03/



Fujii: The story takes place in 2001 and around the Setagaya Line. The director loves the original story and definitely wanted to make sure we made it obvious that the story took place along the Setagaya Line. (From Episode 2, the story takes place from 2002 and on.)
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Posted 6/16/20 , edited 6/16/20

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anikevin wrote:

The first half of this show was pretty enjoyable, but now it's gotten Domestic Girlfriend levels of insufferable.
I didn't sign up for show about a couple in their late twenties that can't even kiss after 3 months together.

Well, it isn't like they make us watch those three months. It's pretty much an episode.

I think this show sort of fails because we never really given a reason to like Shinako. This causes issues on two fronts. First, we don't really get why Rikou likes her. We're just told he developed a crush on her in college, but we have never been shown it. And second, we weren't really shown enough of Shinako's past either, to make her sympathetic, to make us root for her to break free, to come back to life..

Which is why it all creates a situation where, in order from least likable to most:
1) Rou sucks, because he's a petulant brat who needs to grow up, ideally with some serious distance between himself and Shinako. The closest thing he gets to have a good feature is that his friend seems sorta cool.
2) Shinako isn't quite as bad, but comes across as a character with very little drive that needs to be wanted, and once she has that, stagnates. If she met a man who just wanted a homemaker (and who moved her far away from Rou), she'd no doubt make a serviceable wife, but that's about it. She's boring because she's passive, and not very likable because she's needy.
3) Rikou started out in a rut, and seemed to be making progress as he started to pursue photography. But then Shinako drug him right back into a rut. If he dumped her and started making forward progress again, he could be likable again. But needs to get rid of that anchor around his neck and spend more time hanging with his former coworker and the college friend instead (assuming he'd still ignore Haru).
4) And that leaves Haru, the most likable character, because she's an active character, is the underdog and has a few interesting quirks. I don't know if she's the right woman for Rikou (though I do think she has the drive he lacks), but I want her to win, or rather, I want her to wind up happy. The rest of the cast, well, they could encounter truck-kun and I'd be fine with that, as long as Haru winds up happy.

And I just keep watching, because I want to see Haru happy. I keep waiting for that episode where it will be her turn. And it just doesn't happen. But I must keep watching, because maybe it will.


I actually prefer Ruo over Shinako. Yes, he's annoying, but that's mostly because he's young and stupid. Unlike Shinako, though, he has a goal and he's actively working towards it. Shinako is barely more than a blob who hardly moves at all of her own volition.

I think Shinkao has pulled Rikuo into a rut relationship-wise, but he still looks to be moving forward career-wise. I don't have any issue with them not having slept together, that's actually not a bad sign for a long lasting relationship. There's other issues though. The fact that they both felt the need to keep things secret from certain people around them, and the way that they still seem kind of uncomfortable around each other even after 3 months.

As likable as Haru is her life doesn't really seem to be going anywhere either. She's got more personality, and is more dynamic, than any of the others, but her only goal has seemed to be to make Rikuo her boyfriend.

This story seems to have taken the kind of route I'd expect to see from a western romance with the characters that are closer in age ending up together. Its still an OK show, but I was hoping for something more.
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Posted 6/16/20 , edited 6/16/20

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deniel77 wrote:


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years with Tue April 1st
1975, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2014

years with Wed Oct 1st
1975, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2014

years with Mon Dec 1st
1975, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2014

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From ep 10.
Rikuo has some DVDs. DVD released on 1996. So this must be 1997, 2003, 2008 or 2014.
Manga starts on year 1997.



https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2020/06/16/dissecting-the-art-of-sing-yesterday-for-me-part-one
https://singyesterday.com/interview/interview03/



Fujii: The story takes place in 2001 and around the Setagaya Line. The director loves the original story and definitely wanted to make sure we made it obvious that the story took place along the Setagaya Line. (From Episode 2, the story takes place from 2002 and on.)


Seems an odd discrepancy there, one team not communicating with the other.

'97 works for me

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Posted 6/17/20 , edited 6/17/20
I was wondering why they weren't using cell phones when talking to each other, they had to use land lines, then i realized this was written before cell phones were popular
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Not sure if this has been discussed here or not....

I thought we were supposed to get 6 OVAs to finish the story, ReLife style, but looking at the MAL listings, the 6 OVA that we thought would continue and finish the story, seem to be the 2 minute shorts airing after some of the shows.

So...seems like the show is ending Saturday...FULL STOP....
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Posted 6/18/20 , edited 6/18/20
Ep 11 title on CR "A spring storm"

On japanese:
はるの嵐

https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/douga/singyesterday?official=top

はる Haru is in hiragana, that can also means the name Haru. "Haru's storm"
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Posted 6/19/20 , edited 6/19/20

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...seems like the show is ending Saturday...FULL STOP....


Some episodes ago that would have disappointed me, but now...

At least then I'll be able to imagine Haru moved on to someone more deserving.

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So...seems like the show is ending Saturday...FULL STOP....



The show started off good, but i have found myself becoming less and less interested as it's gone on

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don't know why you guys are complaining so much.

Took me 18 years to find out how the story would end in the Manga.

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Episode 12 (Finale)

So in the end, Shinako is not falling in love with anybody as she Rikuo and Rou are just friends after being asked the question of who is more important. While the answer seemed obvious from the start, it took her a long time to finally realize that. So while Shinako's feelings have been sorted out, not so much with Rikuo. So he meets with Haru and after a sucker punch from her, and confesses his love for Haru. So in the end, Rikuo made the right decision as Shinako is better off just being a friend, whereas Haru is really serious about Rikuo and a much better match as a girlfriend.

Final Thoughts

This is a solidly-written drama in which the production team does everything it can to ensure that it does to let everybody know that this is a serious drama set just before the turn of the century. Doga Kobo does a nice job in using an animation style that's not what they are known for doing to appropriately capture the setting, all while the story is nicely written for the most part. That said, while the story did a nice job of developing the characters, on the other hand the storywriting was inconsistent when it comes to character relationships as it felt too one-sided at times, all while it seems that these only serve to bring out the worst of the characters rather than being an opportunity at self-reform. Nevertheless, this show is great on the technical side of things, while the drama and the MC's journey from being a convenience store worker to a professional photography editor is some of the best stuff this season, but character relationships were so hit or miss, and when they miss they leave a sour taste.

Grade: B (8/10)
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