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The Incentive of Fansub Community's Collective Mentality

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Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/9/09

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If you want my personal opinion which you probably do not want, but since I'm here I will anyways.

^_^ People become power hungry and continue to seek more and more power. In other words its a power complex, they gain popularity so they start to demand wants... I want this I want that blah blah blah! Well crunchyroll also has a power complex as well... Crunchyroll did not have to start a money based system they could have simply bent to regions. But I'm not complaining. 90% of everyone has a power complex in some way or form. If you really want to know the mentality of fansubs you need to look at a wide scope and look at the mentality of people using the web to demonstrate their skills, talents, and kodak moments. Other great examples are what people do on youtube.
In another word, power struggle in the form of attention-grabbing. Because entertainment industry is about grabbing people's attentions. And the will to power is not the same as empowerment. For the former is about one's personal conquests over others, while the latter involves surpassing one's self.

An industry establishment gathers and exports raw materials and/or services, to trade for other life supporting products that it's not meant to produce on its own from other establishments. That's the basic inductive logic of economy; a medium that allows the trafficking of life supporting products between establishment. So what CR is doing is a will to power based on conquests, by grabbing the attention of their audiences with legally gathered raw materials called anime form the anime industry, then gave back the industry ad revenues and subscription fees so the anime industry can survive while make more anime.


Your justifying any form of reason to gain power... not you gain power but anyone's use of stating support this or that way. My only statement is to explain the construct of the thought and reasoning. I'm looking in a wider scope looking at it from afar. Rules or rights do not apply in this situation when trying to understand a person sense of reasoning. Strip away the variable whether or not someone is in the right or the wrong and you just see a little person in a chair wearing a big hat on either side of the table. If we understood what we really should be doing the world wouldn't be ran like it is now simple as that. So get off your high horse(just a figure of speach) for a moment and look at the topic question with out distorting it to other variables. The question was simple what is the mentality of those who fansub... its a power complex. CR has its own goals separate from presenting anime or so on thus showing they have their own power complex as well and so many other have the complex as well.
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Just so you'll see this and so you won't miss this by accident anymore:
Would you also go into more detail on:
They're afraid of unpleasant situations. (What situations?)
They're afraid of commitments. (What commitments?)
They're afraid of progresses. (What progresses, the obvious fact they are way more capable of producing quality work; and that the fansubbing community haltering this course?)
And they're afraid of truth. (What truth, that they are in fact inflating there cost's, compared to other media content)

Also, you are aware that the magazine scans you host in your photobucket (that I knew is yours seeing how it has images of you and only you would have) are just as harmful and "illegal" to the magazine publishers by not buying their magazine? You didn't get permission from the song author from the song in your profile, you are no better than the fansubbers you call thieves.
Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/9/09

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nexusmaylo wrote:

Would you also go into more detail on:
They're afraid of unpleasant situations. (What situations?)
They're afraid of commitments. (What commitments?)
They're afraid of progresses. (What progresses, the obvious fact they are way more capable of producing quality work; and that the fansubbing community haltering this course?)
And they're afraid of truth. (What truth, that they are in fact inflating there cost's, compared to other media content)


Oh please, do you really expect him to go in depth?
The only thing he's entitled of is the truth, and only the truth will set him free.

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.
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Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/9/09

DomFortress wrote:


dokutax wrote:


nexusmaylo wrote:

Would you also go into more detail on:
They're afraid of unpleasant situations. (What situations?)
They're afraid of commitments. (What commitments?)
They're afraid of progresses. (What progresses, the obvious fact they are way more capable of producing quality work; and that the fansubbing community haltering this course?)
And they're afraid of truth. (What truth, that they are in fact inflating there cost's, compared to other media content)


Oh please, do you really expect him to go in depth?
The only thing he's entitled of is the truth, and only the truth will set him free.

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.


ad ho⋅mi⋅nem

1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
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None of what you said makes sense and you are now just trying sound intelligent , 90% of this was irrelevant to subs.

DomFortress wrote:

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.


I don't know where to start, one "poverty, weak" free fansubs that take time from a real job, what does a mental or physical cause have anything to do with fansubs? "bored" timing is boring as heck.


"They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. "
AKA FANSUBBING
"professional conducts, advancements, confrontations" - You mean like fansubbing?
"they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth"
This line is now void because all you have done is PROVE that you yourself are wrong, and have just made your whole argument void.

Also WHAT does any of this have to do with fansubbing? or the Commercialization of it, nothing. You have strayed the path of talking about how fansubbing hurts the people making it, instead "trying" to make yourself sound more intelligent by repeating your nonsensical responses
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Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/9/09

DomFortress wrote:


dokutax wrote:


nexusmaylo wrote:

Would you also go into more detail on:
They're afraid of unpleasant situations. (What situations?)
They're afraid of commitments. (What commitments?)
They're afraid of progresses. (What progresses, the obvious fact they are way more capable of producing quality work; and that the fansubbing community haltering this course?)
And they're afraid of truth. (What truth, that they are in fact inflating there cost's, compared to other media content)


Oh please, do you really expect him to go in depth?
The only thing he's entitled of is the truth, and only the truth will set him free.

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.



You're one to talk. Aren't you sitting on your ass trying to start some shit up here? Go out and have a life.
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You also seemed to ignore "Also, you are aware that the magazine scans you host in your photobucket (that I knew is yours seeing how it has images of you and only you would have) are just as harmful and "illegal" to the magazine publishers by not buying their magazine? You didn't get permission from the song author from the song in your profile, you are no better than the fansubbers you call thieves." What say you?
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Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/9/09

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So Mr. Fortress, I don't see your response to the definition of ad hominem.You're just going to refute everyone's argument except your own because they aren't professional or some BS like that.

There is no way to describe your posts other than trolls.
Would you dispute the accountability of a professional university institutional website that is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy(http://plato.stanford.edu/), to an amateur online website hosted by geeks with a history of questionable reliability and bias opinions(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia#Reliability_and_bias), over something that's not even in English to begin with? If you want to use fallacy tactics(http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html) to attack my person, thereby not even going to dispute my proposal with real facts, logic, nor any form of concrete proofs, then you're just avoiding the truth.
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DomFortress wrote:


SuprSrsBiz wrote:

So Mr. Fortress, I don't see your response to the definition of ad hominem.You're just going to refute everyone's argument except your own because they aren't professional or some BS like that.

There is no way to describe your posts other than trolls.
Would you dispute the accountability of a professional university institutional website that is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy(http://plato.stanford.edu/), to an amateur online website hosted by geeks with a history of questionable reliability and bias opinions(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia#Reliability_and_bias), over something that's not even in English to begin with? If you want to use fallacy tactics(http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html) to attack my person, thereby not even going to dispute my proposal with real facts, logic, nor any form of concrete proofs, then you're just avoiding the truth.





Since you discredited Wikipedia, I got the definition from dictionary.com. But since you would rather attack Wikipedia than debate with me, I'll also take this from the Stanford site you linked:


ad hominem as a fallacy that occurs when an arguer is guilty "of attacking his opponent rather than his opponent's evidence and arguments.


Like when you kept claiming I wasn't professional, and had no place to discredit the American licensing industry.


DomFortress
thereby not even going to dispute my proposal with real facts, logic, nor any form of concrete proofs, then you're just avoiding the truth.

You mean, exactly what you've been doing by throwing blanket statements over all fansubbers?
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Dude, don't piss off the fansubbers. They're our only hope.
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nexusmaylo wrote:

None of what you said makes sense and you are now just trying sound intelligent , 90% of this was irrelevant to subs.

DomFortress wrote:

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.


I don't know where to start, one "poverty, weak" free fansubs that take time from a real job, what does a mental or physical cause have anything to do with fansubs? "bored" timing is boring as heck.


"They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. "
AKA FANSUBBING
"professional conducts, advancements, confrontations" - You mean like fansubbing?
"they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth"
This line is now void because all you have done is PROVE that you yourself are wrong, and have just made your whole argument void.

Also WHAT does any of this have to do with fansubbing? or the Commercialization of it, nothing. You have strayed the path of talking about how fansubbing hurts the people making it, instead "trying" to make yourself sound more intelligent by repeating your nonsensical responses
Simple, if the fansub community had the confidence and self-esteem about their localization skills, made the effort to confront the anime industry, then they would be international anime licensees and actually work on anime for a living. And we all know for a fact just how unpleasant working for someone can be, because the fansub community would escape from the victimizing real life task of working for the anime industry by doing fansubs.
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DomFortress wrote:


nexusmaylo wrote:

None of what you said makes sense and you are now just trying sound intelligent , 90% of this was irrelevant to subs.

DomFortress wrote:

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.


I don't know where to start, one "poverty, weak" free fansubs that take time from a real job, what does a mental or physical cause have anything to do with fansubs? "bored" timing is boring as heck.


"They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. "
AKA FANSUBBING
"professional conducts, advancements, confrontations" - You mean like fansubbing?
"they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth"
This line is now void because all you have done is PROVE that you yourself are wrong, and have just made your whole argument void.

Also WHAT does any of this have to do with fansubbing? or the Commercialization of it, nothing. You have strayed the path of talking about how fansubbing hurts the people making it, instead "trying" to make yourself sound more intelligent by repeating your nonsensical responses
Simple, if the fansub community had the confidence and self-esteem about their localization skills, made the effort to confront the anime industry, then they would be international anime licensees and actually work on anime for a living. And we all know for a fact just how unpleasant working for someone can be, because the fansub community would escape from the victimizing real life task of working for the anime industry by doing fansubs.


Maybe fansubbers aren't in it for the money. Maybe they are doing a service by putting their time, effort, and heart into their work and not charging for it. For a "Defender of Justice" you sure sound pretty greedy.
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DomFortress, any reason why magazine/manga scans are any different from fansubbing? I mean obviously it's ok if the Defender Of Justice is doing it. I mean it's not like you're stealing orgina...oh wait.
Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/9/09

SuprSrsBiz wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


nexusmaylo wrote:

None of what you said makes sense and you are now just trying sound intelligent , 90% of this was irrelevant to subs.

DomFortress wrote:

The fansub community are afraid of the unpleasant situations in their lives like being bored, ignored, poverty, weak, and just about anything and everything outside of their comfort zone. They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. They're afraid of progresses like professional conducts, advancements, confrontations, and just about anything and everything that relies on their confidence and self-esteems. And finally, they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth.


I don't know where to start, one "poverty, weak" free fansubs that take time from a real job, what does a mental or physical cause have anything to do with fansubs? "bored" timing is boring as heck.


"They're afraid of commitments like responsibility, accountability, reliability, honesty, and just about anything and everything that requires efforts on their part. "
AKA FANSUBBING
"professional conducts, advancements, confrontations" - You mean like fansubbing?
"they're afraid of truth about who they are; they are victims of their misplaced fear of unpleasant situations, commitments, progress, and truth"
This line is now void because all you have done is PROVE that you yourself are wrong, and have just made your whole argument void.

Also WHAT does any of this have to do with fansubbing? or the Commercialization of it, nothing. You have strayed the path of talking about how fansubbing hurts the people making it, instead "trying" to make yourself sound more intelligent by repeating your nonsensical responses
Simple, if the fansub community had the confidence and self-esteem about their localization skills, made the effort to confront the anime industry, then they would be international anime licensees and actually work on anime for a living. And we all know for a fact just how unpleasant working for someone can be, because the fansub community would escape from the victimizing real life task of working for the anime industry by doing fansubs.


Maybe fansubbers aren't in it for the money. Maybe they are doing a service by putting their time, effort, and heart into their work and not charging for it. For a "Defender of Justice" you sure sound pretty greedy.
Then how do you explain the truth that what the fansub community are doing was in fact copyright infringement by stealing from the anime industry off their domestically licensed intellectual properties called anime, altered the anime series with illegal subtitles, and then illegally released and distributed the altered intellectual properties in illegal digital duplications called fansubs? Because they didn't got the license to do all that from the anime industry.

nexusmaylo wrote:

DomFortress, any reason why magazine/manga scans are any different from fansubbing? I mean obviously it's ok if the Defender Of Justice is doing it. I mean it's not like you're stealing orgina...oh wait.
Can you proof those are actually me in real life, or just someone who used my internet handle to open an account on it?
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http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/DomFortress/
Same person in your cruchyroll, as well as having images only you would put up there or have, like your fitness, as well as cosplay. You with a baby bird in your lap, etc. Who else would have these, I mean trust me I looked everywhere for stuff on you, lol even your being horriblesubs lawyer.
http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/DomFortress/Internet%20Bullies%20On%20CR/
http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/DomFortress/AE%202008/
http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/DomFortress/Fitness/
Not to mention videos....
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