Yes, it is. According to my parents, if I don't get above a 90 or above on my average, I'll end up working in McDonalds for the rest of my life and be laughed at....

umm...well, i'm not the smartest teen youll meet...but yeah it is important. Because in the future ppl will look at yer grades and IQ to see where you stand in the world; because i know u dont wanna be living in yer parents house ALL yer life.

So, don't give up and try yer best! Because you will be happy you did in the future

XD
my parent never cared if i did good or not...they just said i'm out of the house at age 18 and i cant come back (to live there)....so i think i should try my hardest because my parents dont play around.

depends on what you want to do in society

but education opens doors

Wow, that's harsh....

Not really, i know they just want me to be ready for the real world, because they know im scared *-*.

The purpose of school is to give us guidance so that we know what we need to learn in order to be successful in this world. If you take a little kid, put them in a library and tell them to go learn, how will they know where to start? How will they know what is useful? How will they even know how to read all those books if they never go to school to learn how to read?

um no, the purpose of school is to force kids to lose all individuality and force them to become some robotic "decent citizen".Success is defined differently by different people. success in the world is one hell of a statement. Because what u learn in one area of the world, is pointless in another.what good is calculas if your living in the jungle?

a kid can learn from thier parents. who can learn from thier parents. and so on and so on. Eventually u will go back far enough before school become as prominate as it is today.Somebody leared from somewhere/ someone that didnt go to school. People where here b4 schools.

It's obvious that schools and prisons were built by the same people for the same purpose: to force people to lose all individuality and become :"decent citzens".
i dont know how schools or prisons improve lifes, both nearly destroyed mine.


If you really hate the government so much and think they're "oppressing" us, then I hope you know that the only way to not be "oppressed" by them in any way is to go live out in the wilderness, instead of sitting on a computer that the government has given you the freedom to sit in front of and spread your opinion around the world, and also gave people the freedom to buy and sell computers so that you could obtain and use it, and using the reading and writing abilities that you learned in school (I'm assuming) to tell people that they shouldn't go to school to learn how to read and write.

i dont hate the government, i just think thier system of school and college sucks donkey balls. and this recession will only further prove my point. (my college is going to throw out my major because they can no longer afford it and think its "unproductive".i major in criminal justice and thats the only job i want to do, other then being in the marines. And as soon as they throw it out, my colllege education becomes pointless.All the money i spent (10 thousands of dollars) goes down the drain and i have to pay it back even though i got very little for it- not including the Degree. the college system is trying to screw me over big time, and as soon as they do, im becoming a terrorist and make them pay for not allowing me to become a FBI agent. They will regret the day they toyed with my education and life passion! )

ok...im srry, i got wayyyyyy off track...ne way..um...ok, well u may have a few points on the rest of that statement, but freedom doesnt pay the bills, Degrees do, which the gov is taking from me....

I wonder how many "Screw the government and society" people realize how dependent they are on the government and society..

once again, i dont hate all of the government, just their schooling systems. i think it sucks and its boring, college is a little better, but come on- we spent hundreds of dollars on text books we never use.in highschool, all the shit u learn is impracticle. They r to busy telling u what to think, rather then teaching you how to think. Individual thinking and analyzing is looked down upon in highschool, but is expected in college. How do we learn what hasnt been taught?and im talking about the good highschools. Not the crappy ghetto ones that i went to. the teachers didnt even do thier jobs in my highschool. i skipped the final exam and made 100% on it.And it determined whether or not i passed or failed the course.i bet i could repeat the process skipping class as well and at least get an 85%.
peace over war

Well.. It's hard for me to accept the fact you're somewhat intelligent with all of those spelling errors but I do agree with you somewhat.
o yes, school teaches that intelligence is defined by one's skills in spelling.Ah, but at the same time they stop teaching kids how to spell at 5th grade. And in college, they dont care about grammar at all, just the substence- something highschool never teaches.
Prime example of how school is hypocrital and sucks.

We should challenge ourselves, even if it's just calculating MPG's I do it for my car, simulating the brain even somewhat keeps me from going brain dead.
good for you, but math isnt my passion in life. fighting is. What works for u may not work for others. something they look down upon in school. they believe everyone should be exaclty the same.

They aren't forced to join some "click" they choose to, they choose to be a loner, there is no one forcing them to do anything. But then again, i'm an existentialist and believe that we make our own decisions and there is no set path for us. We create our destiny, not god. It's society in general that fucks up kids, not school alone, you're just using school as a scape goat for the bigger picture.

yes, lets look at the bigger picture. existentialist or not, factors out there do influence our decisions and choices. Those choices can be forced, with or without a god- ever been torchered b4? have u ever had a gun pointed at your head? these factors have been known to greatly influence choices.I suppose u could always choose to say no,but come on, no reasonable man wants to die like that.
the same thing happens in school, not to that extent nesseesarily, but it happens.On the biggest picture, school is society.the same kids in society, go to the same schools. what they learn in society is integrated into the schools.thus the cycle continues.
School is similiar to prison, anybody is welcome in, but no one gets out the same way they came in.

And all of that negativity would then lead to you choosing not to go to school. Not to mention at 15, who the fuck wants to sit in a classroom all day learning about world war 2? I don't.. But you get older, you mature, and you figure out, hey good thing i went to school otherwise i wouldn't be able to afford the outrageous cost of living. You shouldn't get the choice from 1-18 to choose if you want an education or not because you're not an adult, you're not mature enough to make that big of a decision on your own, and you're sure as hell not ready for the real world
hey, the less people with an education- the more valuable it becomes. and no, just becasue u go to school. doesnt garentee u some high paying job. especiallly out of highschool or only 4 yrs in college. most people who graduate from college dont even get a job within the 1st year. add that to this recession and you've got a crisis.you have just gotten out of college with no job and 12000$ u need to pay back for all the loans u made.imidiate bankrupcy.btw, did u know selling illegal drugs makes more money they u will ever make with a legal job?did u know joining the military is the only real secure job u can have? and thus the cycle continues.

the only problem with not choosing if u want an education is that the decision does not only affect u, but everyone else who makes the exact same decision as u. The guy who goes to school who doesnt want to be there becomes a bully to pass the time. He makes people who want an education commit suicide because of his constant bullying. those who survive his wrath r scarred for life and wont be successful with or without an education because of what he did.
If he choose to not go to school, he joins a gang to pass the time. that gang bullies everyone who isnt in school. forcing them to join gangs for thier own protection (or, in your way "greatly influencing them"). and thus the cycle continues.peace over war

it is if u want 2 have a future were u don't have enough time 2 do anything but work but you'll live in good conditions, but if u don't get good education then your going 2 live in horrible conditions and people will look down upon u and you'll and up doing little jobs for hours and hours. ^_^ so in the same you'll still work like a dog, but the only difference is when u actually enjoy your life now or later. that's my opinion.

flying monkeys r harmless. especially when trained by the Italian mafia.

the FBI is not after u, just making sure u dont sell or share the info...like u did just now...thats your ass...(but really, they will just try to buy it from you and cover up what u did)

the nazis r a bunch of harmless old men. and they r glad u killed him, they hated that guy.

those 3 harmless forces u mean.peace over war

absolutely..
education is the key to success.

I used "school" when I really meant "education," since that is what this thread is about. And by "this world" I meant "whatever society you happen to live in," and I was using developed countries where formal education is important as an example. You can't be successful in the world if you have no one to teach you how to get by, whether it be someone teaching you how to forage for food in the forest, or how to do some complex math equations.


Learning from someone is still a form of education, a student learning from a teacher. It seemed to me in your first post that you believed people would be better off learning independently, but I may have misunderstood you.


...Which makes society more effective at making our lives comfortable. You can still be an individual while being a productive member of society. If anything, school (college at least) actually promotes individuality, it helps you get a career doing something you like so you won't have to hate going to work every day. Without a decent education (a degree) you'll most likely end up doing some mind-numbing unskilled labor like lifting heavy boxes or filing papers.


Education shows us how to be productive members of society. There aren't many unskilled jobs that pay enough for someone to have a decent living, and to even get those jobs the person has to be taught how to make a resume, how to behave at job interviews, etc. Prison is supposed to detain people who are harmful to others, so that we can all live in relative peace.


Well your scenario is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean that the entire system is so flawed that it is useless.


In some schools, like mine, we are taught how to think. We are taught facts, but at the same time taught how to really comprehend those facts. For example, we might be taught facts about the lives of Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, then on a test asked to compare and contrast their ideals and lifestyles. I don't know how many schools across America and around the world are like that.

I got totally lost on where you're trying to take this "argument." It's almost as if you don't know how to read, or understand, or analyze what i'm saying at all. You take my words and twist it into something completely different.. Yes, I do judge people from how they spell, not online, but if you're going to try to argue against my points at least make it presentable. It'll give you a little more credit and validity when you're trying to convince someone into something.

I'm not the biggest fan of Math, or School for that matter, as I've obviously stated several times. I didn't say you had to do math to stimulate your brain, I'm merely saying that doing things yourself rather than having a computer do it for you helps stimulate the brain. I believe that school is there to give you the chance of getting experience of different things. They introduce you to math, social studies, art, etc to spark some of your interests. Okay, you fight, that's cool, there's wrestling in high school. Of course they're going to deter you away from fighting in general in school because it's not the nicest of things. Who are "they" and i don't think "they" look down upon people that are different. School doesn't try to make everyone a stepford wife, there's clubs you can join, sports you can do, different levels of math, different sections of history, etc.

As for the torturing and gun point, no I have not, and I do not plan to in the future. You're being a bit extreme in saying that people put guns to people's heads saying "Be my friend or else." I have never heard of that except in some fairy tale movie. If you're offered drugs and can't say no to that you should be in that click then. You're being an insecure child who can't step up for themselves and choose what they want to do. Sure, you can think of it like prison, because it's similar i agree. We're stuck there, locked up and forced to learn. We change, but that change is not going to be from school alone, I can bet that anyone that didn't go to school is still going to change personality wise around the same age. You change the most emotionally and personality wise from 18-23 whether you're in school or not.

I didn't say that you would immediately get a good job, or turn into a millionaire with schooling. But you're likely to succeed in life if you do have the education needed for the job at hand. And yes, it's apparent that selling drugs makes more money than I or you would ever make with a legal job. I'm not retarded, i go to school.

Your last statement was so outrageous that I don't even care to comment it.

of course

i do wonder if the world has REALLY become a better place because people were educated?

as of now, education for me is important because> i need to have degree> to have a job> in order to survive.