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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10

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shiru-neko wrote:

and before any of you talk about how the few ignorant muslims kill and betray these days

LOOK AT YOUR SELVES

LOOK AT WHAT ARE Jewish DOING TO PALESTAIN


and you say bad things about us Muslims ???


i'll NEVER allow you to say such things

and before you say any other stupid thing

GIVE ME THE PROOF

AND I"LL SHUT YOU UP WITH A STRONGER PROOF


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dont blame her tho bcuz u guys when any Muslim do any lil bad thing u make it look like hell and in Palestine the Jews kill the Muslims daily but no one said its bad thing well some of ur see it as justice!!!


I wouldn't say that the likes of 9/11 and 7/7 are "lil bad things". Whether committed by Muslims, Christians or Pastafarians, they were terrorist acts of mass murder.

Also, you complain about Muslims being tarred with the same brush, but you go on to make the same mistake by saying that the Jews are killing the Muslims in Palestine. Whatever the rights and wrongs of each side in that conflict, it is the Israeli government and army, not the Jews. I understand that a lot of Jews and Israelis are opposed to the way the Israeli government treats the Palestinians.


well can u guys tell me why when Muslims die in Iraq and many other places in the world you call it piece and when a Muslim do the same u count it a terrorist !! how is that ?

i dont say that what those kind of Muslims doing is right no its not and its not from the religion and they are bad ppl but why when one of them do their bad thingy is something not good but for u guys its good !!? why ? o.O


A lot of non-Muslims opposed the invasion of Iraq, and from what I understand it actually made the terrorist situation worse as Saddam Hussein kept the fundamentalists away. However, I can't put such things on the same level as terrorist acts.

The invasion of Iraq was by armed forces who are (theoretically) bound by international treaties such as the Geneva Convention which govern treatment of civilians and prisoners of war. There were breaches of those treaties (such as the abuses at Abu Graib) which were widely condemned by the Western press, not by any means treated as something good.

The terrorists, on the other hand, don't care about such niceties and seem to target civilians. This isn't a Muslim/non-Muslim thing; for many years the IRA was viewed in the same way by a lot of people in Britain when they were planting bombs.

After 9/11 I recall seeing footage of Muslims celebrating the murders rather than condemning them. Granted, this may have been a minority of Muslims, but it's the sort of image that sticks in peoples' minds and reinforces negative stereotypes.

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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10

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you want to see real terrorist
From young Israeli girls to young Lebanese girls: “Die with love.



Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border

what do you call that photos?? they are teaching Israeli children how to kill Muslims
that Bombs will kill many Innocent people ( children , women , old people , men ,)
please tell me about those photos what do you think about it??

i was going to post the result of that bombs but they are really sad photos (killed people)

it shows how happy they are to kill people they even writing on the bombs
even animals don't do that ,,,,

that photos we can see and the worst is the things that we can't see and we don't know about it


All I see is young girls, who you tell me are Israeli, writing something I can't read, which you tell me is 'die with love'.

even assuming both those assertions are true. There are so many questions I'd have. exactly who are these girls? are they still grieving perhaps from a suicide attack? Do they know what they are writing? Do you know who they think they are writing it to?

A picture in isolation proves... nothing. sorry.


As for the practice of writing on ordnance. During Word War II, bombs that were being dropped no where near the man had slogans like 'Hello Hitler' scrawled on them. I'm sure there's no few to this day with word scrawled against the Taliban on much US ordnance. What I'm not sure about is how this makes someone more of a terrorist than the people who prepare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it.

Please explain.


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Also don't forget that the most recent attack on Gaza came after Hamas rocket positions continued to target Israeli schools and hospitals and refused to stop.

Neither Canada nor the US are religious countries (at least not according to their constitutions)


If batteries of the Royal Canadian artillery located in Toronto started shelling Buffalo for shits and giggles I'm sure the US response would be astonishingly swift and would not include the words "Please stop that".

If Canadian infantry men were dressing themselves in civilian clothing and hiding in my apartment building while I was still living there just so they could get a rear shot at an Abram's Tank with their ancient Carl Gustav Recoiless rifles. I wouldn't be surprised to eat a105mm HESH round myself.

as for the 'few bad things' vs. 'killing muslims everywhere somehow all good' argument. I refer you to the poster above me who summed it up well.
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10

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you know what i was asking but from your answer , you make me sure 100% that it is correct , you also could be the same

i used to have a Christian friend and she told me that alcohol is forbidden ... well any how in the real christian religion it is forbidden..


Er... come again 'REAL Christian religion'? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this and other awkward statements are due to ESL issues rather than real ignorance. And I'm quite sure I'm ignorant. Every day, the new things I learn only humble me towards the vast body of information that I know nothing about.

Just the same. Your statements about religion 'Real christian religion', assumption that someone on this thread is Jewish because of his profile picture, or one of your co-religionists statements about attacks by Christianity that imply that the United States and Christianity are equal to each other, suggest a simplistic view of matters outside of your direct experience.




well not the photo
some one told me that you are Jewish plus you talk like a Jewish i mean not you , your friend
i mean the real christian = the one that came from Allah that no human change in it ( people has Distortion the real Bible)

who talked about USA !!!!!!!
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As for the practice of writing on ordnance. During Word War II, bombs that were being dropped no where near the man had slogans like 'Hello Hitler' scrawled on them. I'm sure there's no few to this day with word scrawled against the Taliban on much US ordnance. What I'm not sure about is how this makes someone more of a terrorist than the people who prepare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it.

Please explain.



people who peapare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it, r victims of israel and the strong nations ..the man who wearing an explosive vest and detonate it defensing and revenging becuase his family and relatives had been killed by israel although they where civilian without any judgment or punishment..what do u expect from this man ??

imagine ur self this man...

each day many of our people r beeing kill , Imprison , homeless , explode , torturing also by isarel and strong nations..

u r as a civilian man what can u do 4 us?
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10

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well not the photo
some one told me that you are Jewish plus you talk like a Jewish i mean not you , your friend
i mean the real christian = the one that came from Allah that no human change in it ( people has Distortion the real Bible)

who talked about USA !!!!!!!


Really, and how does a Jewish person talk? and also... why would it be relevant? Also DarkPhoenix is someone I am friendly to (perhaps, maybe he would say otherwise due to our butting heads on other threads) but he is almost as much a stranger to me as you are.

As for the USA=Christians reference. Someone on this thread (They had neko in their name but they weren't you) ranted about "Your religion invades our countries and kills our people" or something similar. (I don't have the exact quote handy) but it's clear that they equated an invasion of either Iraq or Iran by western forces as an attack by christianity. Which frankly, is an erroneous oversimplification of the conflict.

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people who peapare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it, r victims of israel and the strong nations ..the man who wearing an explosive vest and detonate it defensing and revenging becuase his family and relatives had been killed by israel although they where civilian without any judgment or punishment..what do u expect from this man ??

imagine ur self this man...

each day many of our people r beeing kill , Imprison , homeless , explode , torturing also by isarel and strong nations..

u r as a civilian man what can u do 4 us?


But how is writing something on a piece of ordnance, quite possibly an expression of the grief that person felt when Their people were killed. worse than doing the killing?

And if bombs are wrong especially among civilians, wouldn't they be wrong for everybody? If Isreal is evil when it shoots a cannon and hits a civilian's home. Why isn't a suicide bomber evil when he walks in among a bunch people who aren't in uniform who may or may not, for all he knows, actually be against some aspect of Israel's current palestinian policies and attempts to kill them all.

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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/5/10
This is the directory about the Israeli girls write messages .. see it

http://www.cherrycoloured.com/wordpress/?p=448
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


neko-cat wrote:

you want to see real terrorist
From young Israeli girls to young Lebanese girls: “Die with love.



Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border

what do you call that photos?? they are teaching Israeli children how to kill Muslims
that Bombs will kill many Innocent people ( children , women , old people , men ,)
please tell me about those photos what do you think about it??

i was going to post the result of that bombs but they are really sad photos (killed people)

it shows how happy they are to kill people they even writing on the bombs
even animals don't do that ,,,,

that photos we can see and the worst is the things that we can't see and we don't know about it


All I see is young girls, who you tell me are Israeli, writing something I can't read, which you tell me is 'die with love'.

even assuming both those assertions are true. There are so many questions I'd have. exactly who are these girls? are they still grieving perhaps from a suicide attack? Do they know what they are writing? Do you know who they think they are writing it to?

A picture in isolation proves... nothing. sorry.


As for the practice of writing on ordnance. During Word War II, bombs that were being dropped no where near the man had slogans like 'Hello Hitler' scrawled on them. I'm sure there's no few to this day with word scrawled against the Taliban on much US ordnance. What I'm not sure about is how this makes someone more of a terrorist than the people who prepare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it.

Please explain.




that questions will not make any different because every thing is clear
1- Israeli girls (i think it is clear)
2- suicide attack!!!!! they look like school girls
3-every one in the world know very clear what he or she is writing ( i mean why will they write it if they don't know what it mean )
4-ya they know that they are writing it on a bomb so the bomb will kill the innocent people ( they show how happy they are because people will be killed )

sorry to you that photos proves a lot ( girls writing on bombs ) why they don't have papers to write on it!!!! even a child can understand how bad that photos are ( and you know it but you don't want to admit it)
ok tell me why the young girls are the one who write on the bombs ?? why not the adult Israeli man who write there ??
even though it sounds stupid thing to write on a bomb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i give you photos as a prove
what prove do you have that there is people who prepare a man to walk in to a crowded.........................??
it could be lies or it could be true but with out a prove it is false
don't tell me newspapers or media because they may lie to you and say things that are not true


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papagolfwhiskey u know that he choosed to loose his life becuase he had n't any other choice ,he felt sad , Humiliation and angry he wanted the other to feel what he felt although he was civiliant ..
why u want us to be angels while we r victimes

tell me u my bother in humanity and our father Adam and mother Eva ?
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YOU say they know that those shells will land on innocent people.

I disagree. I won't pretend to know more than I see but. okay. why are those particular girls there and motivated to write? perhaps an elder brother was a soldier and was killed? perhaps a parent was in the wrong place at the wrong time when a suicide bomber detonated his vest. Perhaps her very first boyfriend was in a hospital that got hit by a rocket attack.

we don't know what was in that young girl's heart and I, at least, will not pretend I do.

The only words I can read in that picture say "From Isreal..." so no, not everyone in the world knows what she is writing. But I already stipulated that she could have very well been writing what you said.

And yes an artillary shell kills people and destroys the artifacts of human hands. but we don't know from the picture where that shell is going to be aimed and where it's destined to land. I could find it quite likely that it was aimed at an enemy military formation.

However, this is going nowhere. I doubt I can convince you of anything. And You have decided for yourself as to what I know and think. if we can't agree on the meaning of a single picture. I really doubt we can agree on anything more meaningful. have a nice life. Far from mine.


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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also don't forget that the most recent attack on Gaza came after Hamas rocket positions continued to target Israeli schools and hospitals and refused to stop.

Neither Canada nor the US are religious countries (at least not according to their constitutions)


If batteries of the Royal Canadian artillery located in Toronto started shelling Buffalo for shits and giggles I'm sure the US response would be astonishingly swift and would not include the words "Please stop that".

If Canadian infantry men were dressing themselves in civilian clothing and hiding in my apartment building while I was still living there just so they could get a rear shot at an Abram's Tank with their ancient Carl Gustav Recoiless rifles. I wouldn't be surprised to eat a105mm HESH round myself.

as for the 'few bad things' vs. 'killing muslims everywhere somehow all good' argument. I refer you to the poster above me who summed it up well.


don't forget that Palestine is an Islamic Arabic country
and Israel are the once who came and take the country from the Palestinian people
what do you accept from them to do ---> tell them came and take what ever you want
imagine some one came and take your home from you and throw you out of it plus he or she start living in your home , what will you do ??
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LO-LOZ wrote:

papagolfwhiskey u know that he choosed to loose his life becuase he had n't any other choice ,he felt sad , Humiliation and angry he wanted the other to feel what he felt although he was civiliant ..
why u want us to be angels while we r victimes

tell me u my bother in humanity and our father Adam and mother Eva ?


you aren't the only victims. if your 'we' includes the inhabitants of the gaza then many of you are eager co-beligerants in a war. Both sides have fired shells and dropped bombs. Both sides have lost loved ones. I'm not demanding you be angels. You are the ones refusing to accept any responsibility for the conflict in which you find yourself or for the unsavoury and vile tone it's taken. Frankly, I'm not even entire sure what the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has to do with the wider picture. It's a nice deflection, I admit. Point to a couple of populations at war and start an argument about 'they're the violent ones'- "no THEY are" but it deflects from the actual debate on this thread.


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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

YOU say they know that those shells will land on innocent people.

I disagree. I won't pretend to know more than I see but. okay. why are those particular girls there and motivated to write? perhaps an elder brother was a soldier and was killed? perhaps a parent was in the wrong place at the wrong time when a suicide bomber detonated his vest. Perhaps her very first boyfriend was in a hospital that got hit by a rocket attack.

we don't know what was in that young girl's heart and I, at least, will not pretend I do.

The only words I can read in that picture say "From Isreal..." so no, not everyone in the world knows what she is writing. But I already stipulated that she could have very well been writing what you said.

And yes an artillary shell kills people and destroys the artifacts of human hands. but we don't know from the picture where that shell is going to be aimed and where it's destined to land. I could find it quite likely that it was aimed at an enemy military formation.

However, this is going nowhere. I doubt I can convince you of anything. And You have decided for yourself as to what I know and think. if we can't agree on the meaning of a single picture. I really doubt we can agree on anything more meaningful. have a nice life. Far from mine.




ya what you said could be possible but it don't mean to make young girls write on bombs (they are teaching them how to hate and kill )
ya but maybe we could agree on something


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neko-cat wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also don't forget that the most recent attack on Gaza came after Hamas rocket positions continued to target Israeli schools and hospitals and refused to stop.

Neither Canada nor the US are religious countries (at least not according to their constitutions)


If batteries of the Royal Canadian artillery located in Toronto started shelling Buffalo for shits and giggles I'm sure the US response would be astonishingly swift and would not include the words "Please stop that".

If Canadian infantry men were dressing themselves in civilian clothing and hiding in my apartment building while I was still living there just so they could get a rear shot at an Abram's Tank with their ancient Carl Gustav Recoiless rifles. I wouldn't be surprised to eat a105mm HESH round myself.

as for the 'few bad things' vs. 'killing muslims everywhere somehow all good' argument. I refer you to the poster above me who summed it up well.


don't forget that Palestine is an Islamic Arabic country
and Israel are the once who came and take the country from the Palestinian people
what do you accept from them to do ---> tell them came and take what ever you want
imagine some one came and take your home from you and throw you out of it plus he or she start living in your home , what will you do ??


Are we really going to get into who is at fault for things not working out in 1948?
And if you Islamics get along so well why didn't Transjordan and Egypt give the Palestinians back the parts of Palestine they controlled at that time? It's not just Israelis who victimised the Palestinians.

I'm not sure you really want to open this can of worms with me. Personally I think both sides to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are eager co-beligerants and both share the sins of engaging in war with each other. Prostestations from, or on behalf of, either side that they are completely innocent victims don't fly with me.

(edited for grammar)

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