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Qu'ran Burning Event

Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

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DomFortress wrote:

You wanna an excuse for your superstition and pattern for self deception, that's your cognitive weakness in the forms of "blind faith" and "self-pity", not mine.


I'm not a muslim dude
. Calm yourself..
I'm just trying to point out that they are only being versatile. If you only allow everything to be straight lines, how the hell is any society or culture gonna develop? Everyone would have been put to death by the religion before a real society can be built. Please just think like a human, religions are made by humans, it is only natural for them to be humane.

If what you meant by them being "versatile" is through human irrationalities known as "loss aversion" and "confirmation bias", then it's only natural for humanity to be superstitious animals, yourself included.
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also don't forget that the most recent attack on Gaza came after Hamas rocket positions continued to target Israeli schools and hospitals and refused to stop.

Neither Canada nor the US are religious countries (at least not according to their constitutions)


If batteries of the Royal Canadian artillery located in Toronto started shelling Buffalo for shits and giggles I'm sure the US response would be astonishingly swift and would not include the words "Please stop that".

If Canadian infantry men were dressing themselves in civilian clothing and hiding in my apartment building while I was still living there just so they could get a rear shot at an Abram's Tank with their ancient Carl Gustav Recoiless rifles. I wouldn't be surprised to eat a105mm HESH round myself.

as for the 'few bad things' vs. 'killing muslims everywhere somehow all good' argument. I refer you to the poster above me who summed it up well.


don't forget that Palestine is an Islamic Arabic country
and Israel are the once who came and take the country from the Palestinian people
what do you accept from them to do ---> tell them came and take what ever you want
imagine some one came and take your home from you and throw you out of it plus he or she start living in your home , what will you do ??


Are we really going to get into who is at fault for things not working out in 1948?
And if you Islamics get along so well why didn't Transjordan and Egypt give the Palestinians back the parts of Palestine they controlled at that time? It's not just Israelis who victimised the Palestinians.

I'm not sure you really want to open this can of worms with me. Personally I think both sides to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are eager co-beligerants and both share the sins of engaging in war with each other. Prostestations from, or on behalf of, either side that they are completely innocent victims don't fly with me.

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it is clear
you know it but you don't want to admit it
who start every thing is the one who we blame
all what we see is results because that one start it
but we know that Palestine will return to her owners (sooner or later it will return )
but you didn't answer my question if some one take your home and live in it , what will you do ??
Justice will happen and we will see what Justice will be
you know after all we will never agree on any thing
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

neko-cat wrote:

it is clear
you know it but you don't want to admit it
who start every thing is the one who we blame
all what we see is results because that one start it
but we know that Palestine will return to her owners (sooner or later it will return )
but you didn't answer my question if some one take your home and live in it , what will you do ??
Justice will happen and we will see what Justice will be
you know after all we will never agree on any thing


Why don't you make up an answer for me to your question, since you know everything that I know and what I will or will not admit?

Given your narrow mindedness and your self-righteous certainty of your own probity I'm sure your idea of 'justice' is something I'd like to see fail. Have a happy life. FAR from mine.


Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

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Islam doesn't order to kill Wemen or Children, it is forbidden to kill them or kill old people or even prisoners
our prophet Mohammad said "the person who's missed out of the humane had been denied all goodness"

he taught us how to be nice to others
how to be true humans , he -our prophet- was Kind , Genrous , Honest , Strong , everyone liked him and obeyed him

before Gabriel talk to him he was 40 years old , people called him "The Honest Faithful man" every one respected him
he never lyied in his life , everyone even his enemies belives him
, but why did other Christians didn't obey him ??
because they wanted the prophet to be from their Tribe, from their Clan, but he wasn't , so they got mad and didn't obey him because they felt that they was Humiliated this way , and they changed -Gospel- the Christian's book so no one knows about how was they Humiliated like that, this is the truth that they hid from their children and grand children and now they think that they are right

this is why (( Mohammad )) -May Allah bless him and grant him peace- is the prophet , he's the BEST creature Allah ever created, people in his time followed him in every step he did, they imitated every thing he did, they tried to be as kind and generous and strong as he was, and we are still trieng till now, but Unfortunately we aren't trying that hard , this is why we aren't winnig in the war the way he did before, everyone knows how many countries he won back then he opened and how many unbellivers he was good with and made them love to enter Islam

you don't read all of the truth in english

LEARN ARABIC
you'll know alot of truth
you'll know what you'll bite your fingers for not knowing before
And you don't know your holy text:

Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:

Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”

Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”

Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).

Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.”

Provisions for lying in Islam

Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:

* War is deception.
* The necessities justify the forbidden.
* If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.

These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:

" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89

"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225

"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106

The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)

These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.
Thereby unless the translation was wrong, then you've just told a big fat lie to further the cause of Islamic fundamentalism.
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


neko-cat wrote:

it is clear
you know it but you don't want to admit it
who start every thing is the one who we blame
all what we see is results because that one start it
but we know that Palestine will return to her owners (sooner or later it will return )
but you didn't answer my question if some one take your home and live in it , what will you do ??
Justice will happen and we will see what Justice will be
you know after all we will never agree on any thing


Why don't you make up an answer for me to your question, since you know everything that I know and what I will or will not admit?

Given your narrow mindedness and your self-righteous certainty of your own probity I'm sure your idea of 'justice' is something I'd like to see fail. Have a happy life. FAR from mine.




it is not only you know it
it is something that every one know because it is clear ( but you answer me in a different way that you show me that you don't want to admit it) so i can know that you just don't want to admit it


narrow mindedness !!!!!! OMG please show some respect !!!!!!!!!
justice don't have different ideas , it is just one idea that all the people can understand ( good will win , bad will lose then justice will happen)
Good against evil ( good will win)
Justice against injustice (justice will win)
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

neko-cat wrote:


it is not only you know it
it is something that every one know because it is clear ( but you answer me in a different way that you show me that you don't want to admit it) so i can know that you just don't want to admit it


narrow mindedness !!!!!! OMG please show some respect !!!!!!!!!
justice don't have different ideas , it is just one idea that all the people can understand ( good will win , bad will lose then justice will happen)
Good against evil ( good will win)
Justice against injustice (justice will win)


I have already bid you farewell. But please have the last word. Continue talking to yourself and reaffirming what you already know, since you know everything.


Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

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it is not only you know it
it is something that every one know because it is clear ( but you answer me in a different way that you show me that you don't want to admit it) so i can know that you just don't want to admit it


narrow mindedness !!!!!! OMG please show some respect !!!!!!!!!
justice don't have different ideas , it is just one idea that all the people can understand ( good will win , bad will lose then justice will happen)
Good against evil ( good will win)
Justice against injustice (justice will win)

That's both abstract and arbitrary human concept of moral and ethic, when the fact is nature itself only has one moral guideline known as "the Golden Rule" of tit-for tat.
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

ya you lose an argument then you start attacking me, whatever ( think about it ) i never said that i know everything
no one in the world know everything
i will close anyway
tack care, bye
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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10

LO-LOZ wrote:

This is the directory about the Israeli girls write messages .. see it

http://www.cherrycoloured.com/wordpress/?p=448


interesting this is what was written beneath that picture on the site you linked.



lad to see you did not show the full photomontage. First, I want to say the bombshell is being dedicated to “Nazrala”, the diabolical Hezbollah leader who unilaterally dragged Lebanon into war, rather than being signed by an Israeli girl named Jazrala, which gets me all worked up because it is not an Israeli or Hebrew name, as some websites claim. The picture should be titled, “To Nazrala, From Israel and Daniele”. Second, rightfully we should be disgusted by this picture, but realize that it is manipulative propaganda spread the same way Israeli media propagandizes their enemy. It’s difficult to separate truth and fiction from an armchair far away.

It goes without saying that it would be ugly and wrong for parents to encourage their kids to gloat at the death of other children, they should be strung up if this were true. However, IMHO, neither these children nor their parents (who are nuts for allowing them in such close proximity to such weapons) would wish that these bombshells killed innocent Lebanese people, especially children, as purported at many websites.

Nazrala clearly knew the consequences of his illegal and provocative actions after witnessing the typical over reaction by Israel in Gaza to the kidnapping of Corporal Gilad Schalit. Hezbollah could not possibly have been ignorant of Israeli retaliation when they replicated the Hamas misadventure in Gaza, meanwhile hiding themselves amongst the innocent citizens of Lebanon waiting for reprisals. And they do not hesitate to continuously provoke further attacks although Lebanon suffers 10 times worse than Israel from each volley. Basically, one man representing a small faction of Shiites, is holding the whole Lebanese population hostage, while the Israeli Defense Forces fall into his trap of waging a battle they cannot win. And once again, the puppet masters “wag the dog” behind the scenes, this time to gain cover for Iran’s nuclear machinations and Syria’s assassination of Lebanon Prime Minister Rafi Hariri.

Nazrala has the audacity after his own rockets killed two little Arab boys in Nazareth to say they died a martyr’s death. Decency long ago departed the Middle East stage and has been replaced by a Zionist movement gone awry and the monetary interests of terrorist leaders, who need justification for their vile and pathetic existence. All parties are to blame, including the US assisting Israeli in a proxy battle with Iranian provocateurs who are impacting the war in Iraq and the especially nasty Israeli Lobby, which will score even stronger support from conservative elements, dragging the US even deeper into the Middle East quagmire. That is, if there is any military left to drag after Rumsfeld finishes with it. I just hope this ridiculous battle will stop just as fast as it started. We don’t need to take sides, as naive as it is to say this: all sides must protest the fighting and give everyone in the region a chance to live in peace – everyone!


While I may not agree with everything the author says, I do feel that he makes my point that the pictures posted here prove nothing.




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Posted 8/5/10 , edited 8/6/10
Do you mean the low life that elected Ha mus, for there leader ship? Ever time a deal is cut some nut job generally the paternalistic kill people and demanding more. Arafat and his gang played that game way to often. the Jewish people could wipe out ever building in Palestine and i would not care. Making any deal with Philistine is like playing Russian rivulet with a cartage feed Glock.
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yea thats true and i know that but what i meant is not the Israeli government but i meant the reaction of ppl i know some of them against that but many others not against that and thats what i meant

and 9/11 ? have u even look on the internet ? Osama Bin Laden barley got some old weapons how the hell did he surpassed all the security of the USA ?

i think you should start searching about Tim Osman
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Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10

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yea thats true and i know that but what i meant is not the Israeli government but i meant the reaction of ppl i know some of them against that but many others not against that and thats what i meant

and 9/11 ? have u even look on the internet ? Osama Bin Laden barley got some old weapons how the hell did he surpassed all the security of the USA ?

i think you should start searching about Tim Osman


On the other hand Bin Laden was happy to take credit for it. The Taliban was happy to laud him to the skies for it and Thinking he had done it Palestinians were happy to dance in the streets about it.

That remains true regardless of whatever truth there is to various conspiracy theories about the fall of the towers.

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Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10

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uae89 wrote:



yea thats true and i know that but what i meant is not the Israeli government but i meant the reaction of ppl i know some of them against that but many others not against that and thats what i meant

and 9/11 ? have u even look on the internet ? Osama Bin Laden barley got some old weapons how the hell did he surpassed all the security of the USA ?

i think you should start searching about Tim Osman


On the other hand Bin Laden was happy to take credit for it. The Taliban was happy to laud him to the skies for it and Thinking he had done it Palestinians were happy to dance in the streets about it.

That remains true regardless of whatever truth there is to various conspiracy theories about the fall of the towers.



happy to have the credit ??? he is working for the CIA and even if not the USA government got hand on this

we are talking about USA, one of the most strongest countries in the world not my back yard

and about the Palestinians why wouldn't they not dance when everyday they see their relatives and who they love die in front of their eyes yes its wrong to do that i mean the dancing thingy but when u look how they been live for many years u can know why they did that
Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


uae89 wrote:



yea thats true and i know that but what i meant is not the Israeli government but i meant the reaction of ppl i know some of them against that but many others not against that and thats what i meant

and 9/11 ? have u even look on the internet ? Osama Bin Laden barley got some old weapons how the hell did he surpassed all the security of the USA ?

i think you should start searching about Tim Osman


On the other hand Bin Laden was happy to take credit for it. The Taliban was happy to laud him to the skies for it and Thinking he had done it Palestinians were happy to dance in the streets about it.

That remains true regardless of whatever truth there is to various conspiracy theories about the fall of the towers.

Nothing quite like hero worshiping to show people's true selves, vanity can be such a nag.


uae89 wrote:


happy to have the credit ??? he is working for the CIA and even if not the USA government got hand on this

we are talking about USA, one of the most strongest countries in the world not my back yard


and about the Palestinians why wouldn't they not dance when everyday they see their relatives and who they love die in front of their eyes yes its wrong to do that i mean the dancing thingy but when u look how they been live for many years u can know why they did that
Oh yeah? Prove it! Just like how we can be sure that you yourself are not working for the CIA right now.
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Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10

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As for the practice of writing on ordnance. During Word War II, bombs that were being dropped no where near the man had slogans like 'Hello Hitler' scrawled on them. I'm sure there's no few to this day with word scrawled against the Taliban on much US ordnance. What I'm not sure about is how this makes someone more of a terrorist than the people who prepare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it.

Please explain.



people who peapare a man to walk in to a crowded civilian concourse wearing an explosive vest and detonate it, r victims of israel and the strong nations ..the man who wearing an explosive vest and detonate it defensing and revenging becuase his family and relatives had been killed by israel although they where civilian without any judgment or punishment..what do u expect from this man ??


So that makes it alright, then? They're victims so it's fine for them to murder innocent civilians? This isn't to excuse the Israelis (I have sympathy for them but they are way too heavy handed IMO) but two wrongs don't make a right, and if anything it just gives Israel an excuse to fight harder.

Let me ask you something. Say the roles were reversed and Israel were occupied by an Islamic state such as Iran, and the Israelis started sending out suicide bombers and killing lots of Muslim civilians. Would you think this is right?

I would also be interested to see the reaction of the media in Islamic countries to suicide bombings of Israeli civilians. In the non-Muslim countries Israel gets support from some sections of the media, but they also get a lot of criticism when they use disproportionate force after a bombing. Does the Islamic media try to show both sides of the conflict, or is it (as I have been led to believe, and would happily be proved wrong) a case of Israel=Evil oppressors, Palestinians=Innocent victims?

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