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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


shiru-neko wrote:

and before any of you talk about how the few ignorant muslims kill and betray these days

LOOK AT YOUR SELVES

LOOK AT WHAT ARE Jewish DOING TO PALESTAIN


and you say bad things about us Muslims ???


i'll NEVER allow you to say such things

and before you say any other stupid thing

GIVE ME THE PROOF

AND I"LL SHUT YOU UP WITH A STRONGER PROOF


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ooh you don't have any proof to say ??

you mean that your saying all of your words out of the space like a blind cow going to hell to eat ???
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your saying that iam a lier ???
we'll see about that...

where did you read all this you wrote from

and you say that we don't know our holy book ????
ooh so you say that you know about it more than us ???
why ??
do you EVEN read arabic ??
the truth is written in arabic
how do you even trust this translation ?? (( IF you were smart ))
everyone knows that arabic is the hardest language in the world
this is why the Qura'an is only in arabic
alot of what you wrote up there is nonesense , you know why ??
Arabic have alot of words that can't be translated by the exact meaning to other languages
because there is alot of words with more the a 100 meaning in arabic
you think it is that simple ??
what you wrote up there may be some stupid translation that came from an ignorant person
that didn't study Arabic language enough
be a little smarter , and don't trust anything you read without a REAL proof
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yes u dont know

and as i said b4 search for the name Tim Osman lol and also i said even if not he is from CIA, USA government allowed him to do that ... that was my point :3
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shiru-neko wrote:

ooh you don't have any proof to say ??

you mean that your saying all of your words out of the space like a blind cow going to hell to eat ???


What does the bit I've emboldened even mean?

And I've said plenty since the post you've quoted. But as long as you don't try to tell me what's in my own heart and mind as if you know what I am thinking, I'll talk to you.




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yes u dont know

and as i said b4 search for the name Tim Osman lol and also i said even if not he is from CIA, USA government allowed him to do that ... that was my point :3


And my point is, that it may be moot. The loud and violent elements of the Islamic world who give your religion a bad name were very loud in their praise of Bin Laden and the "Martyred" Pilots who were credited at the time of of the event. They thought it had been done in Allah's name and they were demonstrably happy about it. Now when it's used as part of the reasoning why so many people distrust and fear Islam, now when he and his actions are inconvenient, now you disavow Bin Laden? HA.

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>
> The first Relegion that brought peace to the world was Islam
> IT WAS ALSO BEFORE THE USA
> IT WAS BEFORE 1450 years ago
> our prophet Mohammad taught us how to be good in all different ways,
> even when he fought in wars he NEVER destroyed a house, or killed a wemen or a child or a an old man or a prisoner
> and he stopped his followers to do any of it aither
> he also ordered them not to burn anything or even not to cut any tree,
>
> our Relegion came from the only God ever (( Allah ))
> he ordered our prophet to do all these good things and also teach them to us
>
> before Islam comes wemen were slaves
> were nothing but a creature for fun and for serving men
> Allah maid them equal with men with everything but several small things to protect the wemen
> like (( Hijab )) why is it only for wemen ?? it is to protect them from rapers
> wemen in Islam are jewels that are so rare and shiny that no one is allowed to see their body but their husband
> so they will stay shiny and clean (( Virgin )) till the husband appears.
> not like your countries , the wemen is like a fun creature that goes from a man to another
> and at the end they throw her away when she's not fun anymore , this is not nice at all.
> the man should be really jelous about his wife , and shouldn't let any other man touch her, this is how our fathers are jelous about us, they keep us clean and safe untill our husbands come to take us
> our life is really nice and safer than you could imagine.
>
> wemen aren't allowed to make things that make them in danger, it is for their own sake
> but they are equal in everything like Allah said.
>
> Great Allah said in the Holy Qura'an :
> ((إن المسلمين والمسلمات والمؤمنين والمؤمنات والقانتين والقانتات والصادقين والصادقات والصابرين والصابرات والخاشعين والخاشعات والمتصدقين والمتصدقات والصائمين والصائمات والحافظين فروجهم والحافظات والذاكرين الله كثيرا والذاكرات أعد الله لهم مغفرة وأجرا عظيما))
>
> it means : (( Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember - Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward. (35) )) from Verse 35 of AL-AHZAB chapter .
>
>
> wemen are supposed to do what they are created for, they should take care of children and teach them and create generaions
> and work in sometimes , but not everything like men , if they went to work all day is putting your children in the Nursery or letting their father take care of them make any sense ??? Allah created wemen to be kind and Merciful to childen , and created men strong to go work and bring the house needs to the women to raise his children, Allah created the Men double stronger than the wemen for this reason, she isn't suppose to go work like the hard jobs men do, she's a Jewel.
>
>
> and like our prophet Mohammad -May Allah bless him and grant him peace- said :
> (( Islam is a religion of ease not a relegion of Distress )) .
>
> this is why people that knows the meanings of Qura'an joins Islam (( huge numbers are joining now ))
> it is even if you ONLY LISTENED to the Holy Qura'an you'll feel a great feeling
> you'd want to cry
> it is ALLAH'S WORDS
> you'll never hear anything like it in your whole life
> everything is affected by the holy Qura'an
> even water is affected when hearing the Holy Qura'an
> look at this link :- THIS IS REAL you should believe this , it is about water affected by the Holy Qura'an
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uooNoFrUAXQ
>
> Allah said in Qura'an again : (( لَوۡ أَنزَلۡنَا هَـٰذَا ٱلۡقُرۡءَانَ عَلَىٰ جَبَلٍ۬ لَّرَأَيۡتَهُ ۥ خَـٰشِعً۬ا مُّتَصَدِّعً۬ا مِّنۡ خَشۡيَةِ ٱللَّهِ‌ۚ وَتِلۡكَ ٱلۡأَمۡثَـٰلُ نَضۡرِبُہَا لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (٢١)
>
> it means : (( If We had caused this Qur'an to descend upon a mountain, thou (O Muhammad) verily hadst seen it humbled, rent asunder by the fear of Allah. Such similitudes coin We for mankind that haply they may reflect. (21) )) Verse 21 of AL-HASHR chapter
>
> THIS QURA'AN was more than 1450 years AGO
>
> THis is proof that ISLAM is the TRUE RELEGION at least this is only one proof and Allah knows the best
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Well from my one side of my Own heritage I could do a similar rant about my people the 'six nations' or 'Iroquois confederacy' and how they're the oldest living democracy.

If I were to do that, I'd claim that our legends of the 'Tree of Peace' to which the Iroquois invited all nations of the old north american world to join is older than your claims. I'd go on about the power and co operation of our six tribes: Onieda, Onondaga, Seneca, Cayuga, Mohawk, and Tuscarora. Say you were wrong and foolish to limit women to the hearth and nursery and claim we became strong because Women rule our longhouses with their wisdom.

I'd also demand that you learn the Mohawk Language to really understand us.

Instead we are here in the 21st century, writing in English (or trying, Firefox's spell checker keeps blinking at me...argh) And trying to have an intelligent debate within a modern secular world that has many faiths and many factions as well as history of science and logic which generally is favoured as a neutral method of resolving debate since science favours no one. it just is.

Unfortunately your 'proofs' can be parsed down to unsubstantiated claims that your Religion is the only true faith. and your holy book therefore is the only proof. But we must be able to read Arabic to understand it.

so...
A) The 'proof' is the Qu'ran, and that's the only proof you have or need

B) only you (or your co-religionists) as the only Arabic speakers on this thread are qualified to read and interpret directly from this source. the rest of us have to make do with your interpretation. Any attempt to go to the source and decide for ourselves is wrong becuase we don't speak Arabic.

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... Why are we even talking. any thing we say will be dissmissed even if it IS from the Qu'ran as wrong because we didn't read it in Arabic. And if all you have to say to us is the Qu'ran....

... sorry There are many, many. MANY competing holy books vieing for my attention and beyond them are histories and testimonials from a wealth of peoples that I suspect you are completely unaware even exist.

You have to do better than that if you're going to shut me up with your 'proof'.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


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yes u dont know

and as i said b4 search for the name Tim Osman lol and also i said even if not he is from CIA, USA government allowed him to do that ... that was my point :3


And my point is, that it may be moot. The loud and violent elements of the Islamic world who give your religion a bad name were very loud in their praise of Bin Laden and the "Martyred" Pilots who were credited at the time of of the event. They thought it had been done in Allah's name and they were demonstrably happy about it. Now when it's used as part of the reasoning why so many people distrust and fear Islam, now when he and his actions are inconvenient, now you disavow Bin Laden? HA.




O.O and when i said that was good one ??? and in my religion it never ask u and kill innocent ppl like blowing ur self or whatever the way they use

also in the war there is a rule like when Muslims attack a country or city they must not harm women, children, old ppl, not burn trees and don't destroy buildings and homes

so if this for when Muslims have a war against other army or country what about when there is not real war ?

so those guys making those terror things from their own well and then they say this is for god sake and islam sake
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O.O and when i said that was good one ??? and in my religion it never ask u and kill innocent ppl like blowing ur self or whatever the way they use

also in the war there is a rule like when Muslims attack a country or city they must not harm women, children, old ppl, not burn trees and don't destroy buildings and homes

so if this for when Muslims have a war against other army or country what about when there is not real war ?

so those guys making those terror things from their own well and then they say this is for god sake and islam sake


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green -- Really so when the Orthodox (Christian) city of Byzantium fell to the Ottoman Turks (Muslim) no buildings were destroyed nor children killed nor women raped. Nor was the kidnapping enslaving christian children to create Janissary soldiers considered harm?

I understand and accept that your Holy Books proscribe a number of behaviours that many non-Muslims attribute to cultures that claim to adhere to your faith. However the Christian bible says quite clearly "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and a lot of killing has been done in the name of Christianity over the centuries. If the behaviour of a loud and/or large number of your adherents is not in conformity with the directives of the Qu'ran why haven't the rest of you stopped them?

purple Exactly, everytime a man yells 'god is great' before blowing himself and transit bus full of innocent civilians up (or plows loaded passenger plane into a large occupied civilian structure.) or.. you name the crime. It brings everyone who suscribes to the same god and doesn't imediately condemn his actions into disrepute with many of the rest of us.



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yu_sama wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

You wanna an excuse for your superstition and pattern for self deception, that's your cognitive weakness in the forms of "blind faith" and "self-pity", not mine.


I'm not a muslim dude
. Calm yourself..
I'm just trying to point out that they are only being versatile. If you only allow everything to be straight lines, how the hell is any society or culture gonna develop? Everyone would have been put to death by the religion before a real society can be built. Please just think like a human, religions are made by humans, it is only natural for them to be humane.

If what you meant by them being "versatile" is through human irrationalities known as "loss aversion" and "confirmation bias", then it's only natural for humanity to be superstitious animals, yourself included.


Humans are humans because they cannot be perfect. You aren't perfect too. I don't believe you are all "rational" and "unbias" and so "non-superstitious" as you expect everyone to be. Because we are humans, we are controlled by our emotions most of the time, and whatever happens in our past will leave a mark on us whether we want it or not, that includes being superstitious. If I'm a superstitious animal (which I cannot deny more often than not), then so are you.

This has somehow become some sort of a personal attack between you and me, and I'm not here to attack anyone's personality. You are just an old man that cannot escape from your own little pinhole you thought is the world. You think you are always right and doesn't consider or try to understand others' point of views. I truly pity you. If you have a religion, I hope your God blesses you.
Posted 8/6/10 , edited 8/6/10

yu_sama wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


yu_sama wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

You wanna an excuse for your superstition and pattern for self deception, that's your cognitive weakness in the forms of "blind faith" and "self-pity", not mine.


I'm not a muslim dude
. Calm yourself..
I'm just trying to point out that they are only being versatile. If you only allow everything to be straight lines, how the hell is any society or culture gonna develop? Everyone would have been put to death by the religion before a real society can be built. Please just think like a human, religions are made by humans, it is only natural for them to be humane.

If what you meant by them being "versatile" is through human irrationalities known as "loss aversion" and "confirmation bias", then it's only natural for humanity to be superstitious animals, yourself included.


Humans are humans because they cannot be perfect. You aren't perfect too. I don't believe you are all "rational" and "unbias" and so "non-superstitious" as you expect everyone to be. Because we are humans, we are controlled by our emotions most of the time, and whatever happens in our past will leave a mark on us whether we want it or not, that includes being superstitious. If I'm a superstitious animal (which I cannot deny more often than not), then so are you.

This has somehow become some sort of a personal attack between you and me, and I'm not here to attack anyone's personality. You are just an old man that cannot escape from your own little pinhole you thought is the world. You think you are always right and doesn't consider or try to understand others' point of views. I truly pity you. If you have a religion, I hope your God blesses you.
Not only that you're a hypocrite until the end, you also made an uneducated assumption about my person. For even when I'm not perfect, I'm different than you in the sense that I've trained my higher brain function into utilizing my emotions as a means to control them. By me subjecting myself through my own fitness training regiment and my studies, while you OTOH are only displaying your own irrational passive aggressiveness.

I don't seek peace for my past nor excuse for my nature, when I would rather seek truth because I want sufficient justification for my next act of self-empowerment. That's how I managed to be nonreligious, but can truly overcome my own past, my own nature, and still have more hopes in a better humanity that's different that what's now. Which is obviously not what your superstition is all about.

So go ahead and enjoy your own brand of self-pity, when you obviously don't have room in that mind of yours about other people, other than you condemning all humanity and subjecting it to your own pitifully low standard. Which quite ironically, makes you no different than those religious individuals that you despise, when you all see yourselves as no good.
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Holy crap this is like Gaza Strip: Crunchyroll edition.
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Holy crap this is like Gaza Strip: Crunchyroll edition.


No this is a forum. Gaza strip is an enclosed and sanctioned zone where the inhabitants are in a state of violent disagreement with their more powerful neighbour. Some people are actually trying to have dialogue here and since it's the internet no one is shooting or bombing another and certainly no one is dieing.

Now if you wanted to compare Gaza to... i donno The Warsaw Ghetto circa 1940's... then we'd have an interesting point of comparison.


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I had made the statement instead of burring the book we could recycle the paper and make other paper products such toilet paper to me all religious book are fair game. But then I realized some thing alto of Muslim never seen butt wipe. That why you never shake there left hand and if they offer it that way you can take that as a physical attack use your judgment from that point on. It called germ war fair no different than somebody that knowing has aids and trying to give it to you.
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Tara, just so you know. I think you're being an Ass again.
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