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I have had co worker and employed Muslim men to work for and with me. The same for the Jewish people but I had a Jewish boss. and like wise for the Christians Both the Jewish man and southern baptist man gave me the chance to prove myself. Muslim would be out just because of hatred that they have for the Jews and when there personally life went to piece they talked about killing the Viper. I would up not helping the Muslims electrical engineers I just did my thing and told them to figure it on there own. Both were fired one at the job and the other at another job. I did not set them up i just gave them the rope to hang them self with Talk down to me I do not think so.---------------------------------------------The first Job I got was from a Jewish man I was 12 all I did was bus table and wash dishes and cleaned up after closing child labor law were not real enforced back then. at thirteen i got a work permit 20 hours a week that was a joke I never worked less then forty hours a week.By fifteen I was main cook /chief just after hitting sixteen my family moved. shit really hit the fan i was not bring in money at seventeen I Joined the army and dropped out out school I did get a GED. Dam it was that simple I could have taken it at twelve.------------------------while in the Army I took class's one to get a high school diploma and college credit course then finished in once state side I found out not to mention being in the military when applying to corporation the kiss of death. I left it off I get an interview . On reason I not found of liberals. Back to getting to the Christian man that hired me he took a chance on me. Most of the work was dangerous and getting killed or accident killing some else was always around I did that four six years i never worked less then 3500 hours in a year.----------------------------------------------I had a mental meltdown the past and present were mixing more and more I had to quite i did rat pile allot of money away you cant spend it if your working all the time. ---------------------It would have to be between 2 and 3 and both men put allot on the line to hire me for varies reason. Well just flipped a coin it would be 3 dam i like bacon i say 2
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On more serious note If I truly had to pick I'd go with the the faith I was born to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada
It's a particular flavour of Christianity that I still respect. And represents the minimum level of open mindedness and respect for lay members that I'd demand from any church I would ever consider joining. |
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In this case I do Have distant for the so called peaceful religion of Islam when they stop intimidating government and killing people. My so called bigotry may disappear. Right now I would feel safer to sleep with a alligator in my room. trust a Muslim word. at least I know what a gator will not try to con-me. My being bigotry is based on history and action as the last ten years.
You want to stop Muslims from coming to your country then why we don’t stop your religion people to came to our country … you just say that Muslims kill other people didn’t you ask yourself who start the killing ??!!! other people from your religion also kill Muslim people and we didn’t hate all the people from your religion because not all people are the same….. That doesn't explain the barbaric "honor killing" commanded by the Islamic faith onto Muslim women and children: Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.” ( citation) This is different than killing out for revenge or glory, for there's no real challenge in killing those who are weak and defenseless within their own community. Thereby it's simply an act out of intolerance and malice.
i didn't understand why you put that sentences from Quran??
they are all talking about lewdness
and lewdness is forbidden so there should be a punishment for people who do it.
or else no one will follow the rules
to make the world a better place and no one comet adultery... there should be a hard punishment
but as you can see ---> (the evidence of four witness ) there should be 4 witness
and that what make Allah equitable and merciful
Liar! When the hyperlink in my post worked just fine.
And unless you've forgotten, the Muslim states are a form of patriarchal/male-dominant society. Thereby not only that the number of witnesses is meaningless, when Islamic fundamentalists could all just be lying in order for them to uphold their Islamic teaching of male-dominance. The Islamic concept of "lewdness" was also very gender bias, due to the fact that it only allows polygamy/male to have more than one wive.
Therefore how can you claimed that the Islamic faith is one of mercy and equality? When the fact is the Muslim society is one of extreme gender inequality and deceive.
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killing those who are weak and defenseless within their own community.
sorry i didn't understand it
can you give me some examples ?? What? You didn't know about the "acid burning" and "honor killing" of women and children at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists? How about them schooling children into child suicide bombers through Islamic teaching?
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ok chill people!
there's something to straighten out.
1st: Islamic is not a evil religion, or the religion of devil.
2nd: Please show some respect to whichever religion that people choose. It's their religion and its none of your business.
3rd: The taliban is only creating evil and destructions under the name of Islam. What they preach is not real Islam.
Which bloody religion would command their own believers to self-destruct and bring all the innocents along with it??? The answer is definitely not Islam, its not the Quran. The Quran preaches peace, love all human. Everyone are brothers and sisters.
4th: Humans are a greedy species, no matter which religion. Read your history books, there are really more religion-related wars. Religion has been abused in the excuse of war several times in history, not just for the Islam. Don't tell me the Christians have never waged wars towards the Catholics? Its just history repeating itself now. Islam is being being abused by certain terrorist groups and the whole world puts it in bad light, that's all there is to it.
Please go read up before discriminating the Quran without any real proofs! There can be peace between Christians and Muslims even their holy books and the religions itself are contradicting in many ways. Here in my country, people of both religions (in fact more than just these 2 religions) can co-exist in a totally peaceful and harmonious manner. Please just give each other a little more tolerance and some understandings. Objection Savvy!
And if you want factual proofs, then I've got your proofs courtesy of the moderate Muslim community right here.
Lol... Ok I accept your objection.
I'm not a muslim to begin with, but I know and mix around with more muslims than you do.
The internet page that you linked cannot really proof anything either. There is a high chance any text can be bias. History texts are bias too. If you've studied history, you should know that. Every country writes their own text and put themselves in a good light. There's no human that would not be unbias.
What is the origin of the "proof" you showed in this link?
http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html
To what extent is this text unbias? To what extent can people believe in every words that we read here?
To believe or to trust in "proofs" is up to the individual. But as history students, we study how to differentiate bias from unbias text, what's real, and what's propaganda. Here's the thing dude, your link has too much provocative words, too much subjective words like "deceptive", "incompetence", "most glaring absurdities of islam", etc.
So what makes you think you're really reading the truth?
Wake up brother, you're just reading another propaganda. Objection Whiplash!
Furthermore, your "bias" view of a historian cannot disprove a positive historical document, which in this case are the exact quotes within the Islamic holy texts that justify lying: Provisions for lying in Islam
Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:
* War is deception.
* The necessities justify the forbidden.
* If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)
These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.( citation)
Lol... I wonder if you really hear yourself at all...
I do not seek to disprove the Quran or the Bible or the Holy scriptures or any holy books of any religions!
Hey dude, stop switching the subject around. You know well what I meant. I meant the link you gave:
http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html
is a propaganda, I meant this particular source you showed here as a "proof" to your argument is not a valid proof. Why?
Because:
Firstly, it is an obvious one-sided "discussion"
it consist of a one-sided view of only one party (Christianity), and no view of the other party )Islam).
Just this first point alone can show that this source is highly possible of being bias towards Christianity and is therefore not a fair proof.
Secondly, like I mentioned before, there are many provocative and subjective words that were used in the source.
They are words that can stir up emotions. And in looking at a fair, unbias evidence, means is to look for a source that DOES NOT include words as such.
So in conclusion, your source is not a fair one and cannot be used as evidence, it is a propaganda.
And please read what you just posted again.
You accused Islam of approving lies in their holy text. Yes lying is not good, but that also depends on what kind of lies and the situation we are talking about. You want truth? Here is the truth:
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
This is common in many religions. Preaching about others before self.I'm sure your religion would preach this too. What's your problem with this? Helping the weak, saving them even if it's beyond your means. it is good isn't it? If you do so, God can see it and good things will come round to you. Many religions preach this, although it may be in different manners or phrase it differently, they are all fundamentally the same: Do upon others what you want others to do upon you.
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
This means that whoever betrays the Faith would get punished by Allah correct? Fair enough, its the same as your religion I believe. But then again you quoted:
Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn."
This means the Quran mentions lies and "betrayal of faith" in this way is acceptable. However it is obvious that Ammar lied about the betrayal. He lied that he does not believe in Mohammed because he chose to survive.
Tell me brother, if you were in Ammar's shoes, would you not do the same thing? Given the choice between a terrible death or to deny your faith, which would you choose? Please, anyone who is sane would choose to live. Even those who have deep faith. Faith is not superficial I believe. Therefore verbal denial of faith doesn't necessarily means the real denial of faith. So what if you lie? At least you get to live! If your all so powerful and loving God cannot even tolerate this little bit of lie, I don't know what to make out of your religion. But I'm sure being the all-loving God, He would have wanted you to act like Ammar, to choose to live. Because He loves you, He would want you to live. Because I am an individualist, and in my line of work as a sociologist I'm to be unbiased and impartial towards all societies. Whereas any untruth will be the same as data corruption within my system analysis, and this will further compromise the construction of human knowledge of a particular society. That's why the epistemological duty is a "truth seeking" and "critical thinking" disposition, and not about making sorry excuses for one's beliefs.
You wanna an excuse for your superstition and pattern for self deception, that's your cognitive weakness in the forms of "blind faith" and "self-pity", not mine.
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first i am not a liar okay .... why will i lie to you ??
i am not scared from you and i am not scared from any one except Allah
ya in my country they block untrue websites and websites that say bad things about Islam because they are false
i am just making every thing clear but you just don't want to understand it ( when Allah will ask you in the judgment day why you didn't pray for me?? what will be your answer -----> science ..... or you will stay silent is better than that answer )
i know that you can feel that there is something wrong in your life but you just don't want to understand it ----> it is clear
i know every thing is related to each other but you have changed the subject
if you are talking about male and female ---> they are not equal in Islam
that is a big false because before Islam came to the world people used to treat the women in a bad way and they used to kill the girls by digging a hole and put the girl inside it alive then they put the sand on her so she will die
but when Islam came it make a different change
it make killing the girls forbidden
it make the men treat the women in a good way
and there is some thing you don't know that in Islam the women if she don't want to work the man should give her money ( i mean her brother or father or uncle or any related man) even if the women is working and she have money .... in Islam the man must give the women every thing she need ( if you ask me why ---> it is because the man is more strong than the women and he can go to work every day. ----------- so what one of extreme gender inequality and deceive are you talking about?????!!!!!!!
You didn't know about the "acid burning" and "honor killing" of women and children at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists? How about them schooling children into child suicide bombers through Islamic teaching?
in which country are you talking about ?? i have never heard about it!!!!!!!
no who is schooling children into child suicide bombers through Islamic teaching?!!!!! it is false
i studded in school here and all the Islamic book teach as is about our prophet , the other prophets , peace , ethics , love , Allah , Angels and what there jobs , Judgment day , things that are forbidden and why they are forbidden , memorizing things from Quran ,what our prophet say and more good and interesting things.....
for you all
there are many people who hate Islam and they are trying to make all people hate Islam so they are bringing the bad idea about Islam to you ,
but sadly you don't believe in Allah --------> at least Christian and Jewish believe in Allah so i advice you to start using your mind and think about it more ............ in your first step you should believe in Allah
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first i am not a liar okay .... why will i lie to you ??
i am not scared from you and i am not scared from any one except Allah
ya in my country they block untrue websites and websites that say bad things about Islam because they are false
i am just making every thing clear but you just don't want to understand it ( when Allah will ask you in the judgment day why you didn't pray for me?? what will be your answer -----> science ..... or you will stay silent is better than that answer )
i know that you can feel that there is something wrong in your life but you just don't want to understand it ----> it is clear
i know every thing is related to each other but you have changed the subject
if you are talking about male and female ---> they are not equal in Islam
that is a big false because before Islam came to the world people used to treat the women in a bad way and they used to kill the girls by digging a hole and put the girl inside it alive then they put the sand on her so she will die
but when Islam came it make a different change
it make killing the girls forbidden
it make the men treat the women in a good way
and there is some thing you don't know that in Islam the women if she don't want to work the man should give her money ( i mean her brother or father or uncle or any related man) even if the women is working and she have money .... in Islam the man must give the women every thing she need ( if you ask me why ---> it is because the man is more strong than the women and he can go to work every day. ----------- so what one of extreme gender inequality and deceive are you talking about?????!!!!!!!
You didn't know about the "acid burning" and "honor killing" of women and children at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists? How about them schooling children into child suicide bombers through Islamic teaching?
in which country are you talking about ?? i have never heard about it!!!!!!!
no who is schooling children into child suicide bombers through Islamic teaching?!!!!! it is false
i studded in school here and all the Islamic book teach as is about our prophet , the other prophets , peace , ethics , love , Allah , Angels and what there jobs , Judgment day , things that are forbidden and why they are forbidden , memorizing things from Quran ,what our prophet say and more good and interesting things.....
for you all
there are many people who hate Islam and they are trying to make all people hate Islam so they are bringing the bad idea about Islam to you ,
but sadly you don't believe in Allah --------> at least Christian and Jewish believe in Allah so i advice you to start using your mind and think about it more ............ in your first step you should believe in Allah
I feel bad for you.
Your that brain washed that you think why your country blocks those threads is because their lies. (I piety you.)
They block those threads because it makes them look bad, it has nothing to do with if their true or not. Its because they do not want you seeing them look like the bad guys even if it is the truth.
(In the end them blocking the threads should make you mad at them. Because it another sign of them forcing ideals down your throat an not allowing you yo have the freedom to make decisions.)
You might be happy being forced into your religion like that, but people who have freedom like to have choices. An Justification for the actions of others, including are governments.
Your not using your mind, your brainwashed into a cult as a child. You programmed into a belief system. An now your so lost in it that you can not even understand anything without your religions permission first. Your ideals are based off from primitive bronze age man, with no understanding of the world around them. (hence there need to create something (god) to explain things, that we today, know the facts about, and so do not need to place a "GOD did it" in the equation.
We know how stars are made, we know how planets are made, We have a good understanding on how life got started. So tell me what did this god do? He is not needed, things work just fine without one in the equation.
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i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
hey by the way you look like a Jewish !!!! why do you say that you don't believe in Allah??
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Darkphoenix3450
i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
hey by the way you look like a Jewish !!!! why do you say that you don't believe in Allah??
wow...
... words failed me for several seconds there.
I'm sorry. Reading the last line above caused my brain to melt briefly. Lady I think you need to get out more. read more and generally join the human race.
(edit: By the way I did finally answer your question about choice within the very limited parameters you set)
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On more serious note If I truly had to pick I'd go with the the faith I was born to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada
It's a particular flavour of Christianity that I still respect. And represents the minimum level of open mindedness and respect for lay members that I'd demand from any church I would ever consider joining.
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Darkphoenix3450
i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
hey by the way you look like a Jewish !!!! why do you say that you don't believe in Allah??
Acutally My blood line Is half German half Italian.
I am Not religious or Jewish, to be that I have to believe is superstitious non-sense based on 0 evidence.
I am a Scientist, and an Atheist.
Do to that my understanding of the world and reality is based on what evidence I find, and observable objective facts.
Superstitions based off no evidence has no place in my home because illogical non-sense does humankind NO good especially wen all religion does is slow down man kinds development, and are societies advancement.
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Darkphoenix3450
i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
hey by the way you look like a Jewish !!!! why do you say that you don't believe in Allah??
wow...
... words failed me for several seconds there.
I'm sorry. Reading the last line above caused my brain to melt briefly. Lady I think you need to get out more. read more and generally join the human race.
(edit: By the way I did finally answer your question about choice within the very limited parameters you set)
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On more serious note If I truly had to pick I'd go with the the faith I was born to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada
It's a particular flavour of Christianity that I still respect. And represents the minimum level of open mindedness and respect for lay members that I'd demand from any church I would ever consider joining.
what do you mean???? why is that???
it is just a question 1!!! 
Christianity ummm but don't you think that they don't follow there religion?? i mean it is forbidden for them to drink alcohol but they do drink!!!!!!
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Darkphoenix3450
i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
hey by the way you look like a Jewish !!!! why do you say that you don't believe in Allah??
Acutally My blood line Is half German half Italian.
I am Not religious or Jewish, to be that I have to believe is superstitious non-sense based on 0 evidence.
I am a Scientist, and an Atheist.
Do to that my understanding of the world and reality is based on what evidence I find, and observable objective facts.
Superstitions based off no evidence has no place in my home because illogical non-sense does humankind NO good especially wen all religion does is slow down man kinds development, and are societies advancement.
Scientist sounds cool , what kind of Scientist are you??
well i know some things that science has discovered now and our prophet has told as about it a 1400 years ago
how is that could be possible ?? -----------> it is possible because our religion come from Allah who know every thing ....
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Darkphoenix3450
i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
hey by the way you look like a Jewish !!!! why do you say that you don't believe in Allah??
wow...
... words failed me for several seconds there.
I'm sorry. Reading the last line above caused my brain to melt briefly. Lady I think you need to get out more. read more and generally join the human race.
(edit: By the way I did finally answer your question about choice within the very limited parameters you set)
papagolfwhiskey wrote:
On more serious note If I truly had to pick I'd go with the the faith I was born to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada
It's a particular flavour of Christianity that I still respect. And represents the minimum level of open mindedness and respect for lay members that I'd demand from any church I would ever consider joining.
what do you mean???? why is that???
it is just a question 1!!!
(2)Christianity ummm but don't you think that they don't follow there religion?? i mean it is forbidden for them to drink alcohol but they do drink!!!!!!
(bold numbers: mine)
1) Well it is a question but it's one that displays a monumental level of ignorance. Which is I why I implied that you needed to educate yourself more.
2) I'm hardly a biblical scholar but I'm not sure where you get the idea that alcohol is forbidden to Christians. the vast majority of christian sects seem to have no problem with alcohol in an of itself. Many frown on excessive drinking (but also excess of any sort) others well thanks to a man Called Billie Sunday Alcohol was against US secular law for about... 10 years. They gave it up as a bad idea. Did you actually read the link? I would think that alcohol would be the least of your Concerns about the United Church of Canada.
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well okay then
i will ask
just to see how do you think
who create the spirit ?
where will your spirit go after death ?
if humans are not created why they are different?? why there is no 2 persons who look exactly the same? why there is no 2 persons who have the same Fingerprint ?? i mean we can find some kinds of animals that look exactly the same !!!!
what about Destiny ?? if you believe in Destiny don't you think you will live more happy because then what ever bad or good thing happen to you ----> you will say it is Destiny ....
what about angels ?? what does science say about angels ??
what does science say about magic ?? don't they use devil ( genie ) help ??
you know it is my first time i talk to people who don't believe in god .... and i am curios
i want to see how do you think !!!!
I'm actually more surprised that there are people who are surprised that there are people who have no religions.
Lol, that's tricky...
I have no religion myself but I'm not a big fan of science either. But I would turn to believe in science more than a religion if I would have to choose. The questions you ask are very.. unscientific.
Who created the spirit?
there is no actual proof from science, that spirits or souls, if you will, exist in human beings. we are alive and running and thinking individuals because we have a brain that would function normally. Animals are not like us because they have a less developed brain, in another sense, less intelligent brains than human brains. So once your brain stop functioning, we would go into comma, that is not because our "spirit" have left.
where will your spirit go after death ?
Well, once your heart stop beating, that scientifically means you are dead. When your heart stops beating, your bloodstreams stop pumping and oxygen would not be delivered to your brain, therefore your brain would go into a comma and thus "you" as a person ceased to exist. That is what it means to die. It means the identity known as you would cease to exist and your body would start to decompose fullstop.
if humans are not created why they are different?? why there is no 2 persons who look exactly the same? why there is no 2 persons who have the same Fingerprint ??
Like Allhailodin mentioned, every living organism is not the same because we all have a different DNA. Please read his post for more details.
i mean we can find some kinds of animals that look exactly the same !!!!
and err... you are mistaken, there are no 2 animals that would look exactly alike even if they are the same species. You just didn't observe closely enough. =)
what about Destiny ?? if you believe in Destiny don't you think you will live more happy because then what ever bad or good thing happen to you ----> you will say it is Destiny ....
personally, I believe that people who just run and hide behind "its all fated" when anything happens are losers. They are cowards who can't face the consequences of their own actions and conveniently push faults or unhappiness to "destiny" and "fate".
I want to believe in myself and believe that I am the one who creates my own destiny, not to blindly being led around by it.
what about angels ?? what does science say about angels ??
Err... Science have never proven the existence of angels. So there is nothing much to say about that really.
Angels are mythical creatures created by humans' imaginations and fantasies. There are also many old arts such as paintings, sculptures, scriptures, etc, that depicts angels descending from the sky. But scientifically, that is impossible.
-Firstly, angels are human-looking beings with wings right? Humans, homo sapients, are mammals. Wings are made from feathers and only birds have feathers. They are 2 totally different categories of living organism and even cross-breeding (which is sick to think about a human cross-breeding with a bird) would not outcome with such a perfect and neat image of a winged human.
-Secondly, birds can fly because they have hollow bones, and humans cannot because like all land creatures, we do not have hollow bones. Hollow bones lighten the weight of the body considerably and therefore allows birds to go airborne. But even if given wings, humans would not logically have flown at all because we do not have hollow bones!
what does science say about magic ?? don't they use devil ( genie ) help ??
And hahahahaha... nono, I think I get what you mean. You mean street and professionally staged magic right? Those are tricks. It is all part of physics and sometimes chemistry., which are really just science at your fingertips, literally.
Those that you see on TV, with people able to float in the air, those are all tricks. they play with the weakness of human eyes and perception. Human's eyes are actually pretty weak when compared to eagle's or fish's. They can see certain glass or water refraction which human's eyes cannot catch. therefore by using this theory, a lot of the magic tricks are really just science that tricks our minds and eyes. I bet magicians have never seen any devils in their life.
Thank you for answering
but in Islam we don't describe the shape of angels ....
and some people use magic to hurt other people
and the other people get hurt after that they go back to the magician person to make him stop what he or she did....
they know things that you have never told them about ..... they know your past and your future .... they admit that they use devil help ...
you may don't know a lot about devil because you don't believe that there is a devil ..... but they can see as and we can't see them
they live just like as but they have a knowledge more than people ... there are good devils who know Allah and never do bad things and there are bad devils who try to make people not to believe in Allah and do bad things to other people .....
i want to ask you if you have only 3 choices and you should chose to be a 1-MUSLIM 2- CHRISTIAN 3- JEWISH ... what will you chose ?
I'm sorry but I wouldn't choose any of the above. Because I love my freedom in having no religion. Plus I don't understand all the 3 religions as well as you do too, so in order not to offend, it is only responsible and respectful of me not to choose any. I respect all the 3 religions equally so I wouldn't choose any, I hope it isn't offending to you!
But anyway, I'm glad I had joined in this forum's discussions and talked with you. You made me realized that faith to God can be so deep to a follower. Because I have no religion, this faith is pretty unbelievable and somehow in-understandable to me. Thanks for this discussion! =)
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You wanna an excuse for your superstition and pattern for self deception, that's your cognitive weakness in the forms of "blind faith" and "self-pity", not mine.
I'm not a muslim dude. Calm yourself..
I'm just trying to point out that they are only being versatile. If you only allow everything to be straight lines, how the hell is any society or culture gonna develop? Everyone would have been put to death by the religion before a real society can be built. Please just think like a human, religions are made by humans, it is only natural for them to be humane.
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In this case I do Have distant for the so called peaceful religion of Islam when they stop intimidating government and killing people. My so called bigotry may disappear. Right now I would feel safer to sleep with a alligator in my room. trust a Muslim word. at least I know what a gator will not try to con-me. My being bigotry is based on history and action as the last ten years.
You want to stop Muslims from coming to your country then why we don’t stop your religion people to came to our country … you just say that Muslims kill other people didn’t you ask yourself who start the killing ??!!! other people from your religion also kill Muslim people and we didn’t hate all the people from your religion because not all people are the same….. That doesn't explain the barbaric "honor killing" commanded by the Islamic faith onto Muslim women and children.
Islam doesn't order to kill Wemen or Children, it is forbidden to kill them or kill old people or even prisoners
our prophet Mohammad said "the person who's missed out of the humane had been denied all goodness"
he taught us how to be nice to others
how to be true humans , he -our prophet- was Kind , Genrous , Honest , Strong , everyone liked him and obeyed him
before Gabriel talk to him he was 40 years old , people called him "The Honest Faithful man" every one respected him
he never lyied in his life , everyone even his enemies belives him , but why did other Christians didn't obey him ??
because they wanted the prophet to be from their Tribe, from their Clan, but he wasn't , so they got mad and didn't obey him because they felt that they was Humiliated this way , and they changed -Gospel- the Christian's book so no one knows about how was they Humiliated like that, this is the truth that they hid from their children and grand children and now they think that they are right
this is why (( Mohammad )) -May Allah bless him and grant him peace- is the prophet , he's the BEST creature Allah ever created, people in his time followed him in every step he did, they imitated every thing he did, they tried to be as kind and generous and strong as he was, and we are still trieng till now, but Unfortunately we aren't trying that hard , this is why we aren't winnig in the war the way he did before, everyone knows how many countries he won back then he opened and how many unbellivers he was good with and made them love to enter Islam
you don't read all of the truth in english
LEARN ARABIC
you'll know alot of truth
you'll know what you'll bite your fingers for not knowing before
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i don't agree with you
some one like me can open the blocked websites but i just don't want to
but some people i mean children can be affected by all the lies on that websites
But surely Islam is so blatently true that the children can be put back on the right path when they raise the lies from those websites? If they aren't convinced by the arguments, then won't Allah give them their due in the next life?
Or is it that the leaders in those countries don't have enough confidence in Islam to let people question it?
IMO whenever someone seeks to censor other points of view it is a sign that their own arguments are weak and they simply can't let people hear those opinions. This is true for any ideology, political or religious.
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