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Christian allegories in fiction.
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HypnoSurf22 - Can you put that in the form of an allegory? :P

krnsoldierofGod - I think you'll find a lot of myth contradicting that statement, but that's not the point... or is it. In the beginning Wonka said that Slugworth was the enemy.. the "competition". It was only in the end when Charlie had won the prize (salvation) that Wonka told Charlie that Slugworth was working for Wonka in order to test the children. It was sort of a... hypothetical allegory. ^_^

And that's the point, isn't it? To preach without preaching? To give morals within the guise of a story? The fact that it was meant for children only meant that it was meant to be hidden.
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i knew about narnia but not willy wonka. i think they were both intentional.
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This is a good theory...I hadn't thought about Wonka in that way before...but The MATRIX was another matter. After I got past the the thoughts that it was nothing more than computer programming, I started noticing the symbolisms that paralleled the Bible....especially how Neo died at the end...that sort of drove it home for me...but down deep, I still say it's nothing more that a computer system that is constantly fighting hackers and viruses.
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aminasahra - Me too. ^_^ Which sin do you think each kid represented?


From left to right: Augustus, Violet, Veruca, Mike, and Charlie (though I always thought the sin was his Grandfather).

Jinchengfan - Life or the Matrix?
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aminasahra - Me too. ^_^ Which sin do you think each kid represented?


From left to right: Augustus, Violet, Veruca, Mike, and Charlie (though I always thought the sin was his Grandfather).

Jinchengfan - Life or the Matrix?


The Matrix being the computer program constantly fighting the viruses and all. Sorry if I didn't make that clear....been awake for 27 hours...my two brain cells are getting tired.
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just watch chronicles of narnia..
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Jinchengfan That's fair. So you think that any Christian allegories are unintentional and that the Matrix wasn't designed to teach a moral or forbode impending doom? That's fair. In that instance it was probably unintentional.

amishpan - Not until the remake them all! >_< But I did read all the books, so that will suffice for now. ^_^ You're right, that was a blatant recanting of the story of Jesus to recruit more Christian children.
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Do you realize that every book; every movie; every anime series out here is basically the same story: good versus evil and could be compared to the Bible? Heck, think of the Nordic myths of Odin, Thor and Loki....God, Christ and Satan....and it all comes down to that ultimate sacrifice of giving one's life in order to save others he loves.
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This is a prime example of people having to much time on their hands.
Hence one reason why Womenfolk should be married and have kids.

Gene (Wonka) Wilder was a Jew. So he fit the Christ mode, and since he was blond Headed he could bring Nazis into the faith. And since during the year the movie came out the British actually said in public "Screw God." Maybe we ought to look at the movie as a chance for Jewish Nazis who are Blond in Britain to be Christian.

I Sulla approve this dumb ass message on an Anal thread.
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magnus102 yeah, those fit quite nicely.

Jinchengfan But good vs evil can be attributed to many religions. Not all of them have the hierarchy or specific story lines that follow those of the Bible. You shouldn't have to dig to deep to find a Christian allegory. Just see one story parrellel the Bible (New Testement).

Sulla - That is interesting. I can't recall ever hearing of such an event, but that's an intriguing take on the subject. I mean, it doesn't actually make sense or anything, but I can see how if you turn your head and squint you can see the vague notion. :P

First, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was originally a book by Roald Dahl published in the US before Britain, even if it was a British writer. It was made and released in the US, so I've gotta be honest and say I don't see the connection between Britain, Jews, Blonds and Willy Wonka. I'm sure it makes perfect sense to you though.
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Posted 1/20/08 , edited 4/18/08
Yeah the christian nurse from Scrubs in fact didn't give up her faith. She actually aggressively defended it, even until she died.
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krnsoldierofGod wrote:

the devil does NOT work for God. The devil is a fallen angel that God has rejected ever scince it did blasphemy. God rejects the devil completely and does not support the devil's works in any ways.


I have read the Bible, and found no explicit interpretation of such thing.
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I've never really thought about the Willy Wonka thing but I thought everyone knew that the Chronicles of Narnia books were christian books :/
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actually the chronicles of narnia was an intentional christian allegory about Jesus [aslan] sacrificing himself for the future of mankind. it's not a conspiracy, it's a well known fact.

though i do remember someone making a joke about teen horror being funded by the church because the goody goody virgin always survives.
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uuhhh... whos slugworth?
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