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Nope, completely cereal. I was impressed and felt connected to that show. I'm aware of it's plot holes and other issues, but those are miniscule when i think about how great the characters were, how shocking some of the events were and how intense the war was. Not to mention the OST and animation are insanely good.

So i'm wondering what the problem might be?


No it wasn't the plot holes, those I can actually let slide due to the time constraint the show had at finishing the plot. The issue is (solely referring to season 2 here without being too spoilery) by the mid point of the second season things were beginning to boil, everyone "gone" left and right, everything in peril, the climax was building, but towards the last episodes, instead of enhancing the events of the climax, the behavior of the characters hinder it by devolving into nearly nonsensical melodrama. Their reactions are so far over-the-top,so full of emotional shit angst, that it almost seems comical, teenagers can be stupid but they are not that freaking moronic as a collective group. And, as with most melodrama, much of it could be avoided by a short, 30 second conversation that the characters have both the time and opportunity to engage in. However, instead of doing this, they suffer in silence for no other reason than to make the ending all the more tragic. It’s all just a cheap pull on the viewers’ heartstrings. Basically shit for shit sake.
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Well the time has come. Snap, I'm not even done my essay yet. Writing abilities, AWAYYY!!!!

ALSO, does anyone know the count?
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7 - Magi

8 - Railgun
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No it wasn't the plot holes, those I can actually let slide due to the time constraint the show had at finishing the plot. The issue is (solely referring to season 2 here without being too spoilery) by the mid point of the second season things were beginning to boil, everyone "gone" left and right, everything in peril, the climax was building, but towards the last episodes, instead of enhancing the events of the climax, the behavior of the characters hinder it by devolving into nearly nonsensical melodrama. Their reactions are so far over-the-top,so full of emotional shit angst, that it almost seems comical, teenagers can be stupid but they are not that freaking moronic as a collective group. And, as with most melodrama, much of it could be avoided by a short, 30 second conversation that the characters have both the time and opportunity to engage in. However, instead of doing this, they suffer in silence for no other reason than to make the ending all the more tragic. It’s all just a cheap pull on the viewers’ heartstrings. Basically shit for shit sake.




When you talk about the stupidity of the characters you're mainly talking about this person aren't you lol.


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My vote goes to Magi for politics, characters, animation, and all that other fun stuff I've been over before
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this will probably be the hardest choice I've had to make in this tournament thus far, and it's definitely the hardest one I have left.. it took a lot of internal debate to reach this choice, but the council of aiden has come to a conclusion. since this was such a debate, this will probably be my one and only essay vote, as well.

in the case of Railgun, we have a story of the dark side of life, questions of ethics, morality, and human rights. the tale of Railgun S is the story of one girl's trial, Mikoto's path of vengeance, justice, and redemption. while the Sisters arc is one of the most epic struggles in anime though, there are also things that holds it back. mainly Touma's Imagine Breaker. honestly, if the story were not already written years before, I would have preferred to see Mikoto somehow overcome Accelerator either on her own, or with the help of someone who wasn't on par with a deity in terms of OP.

the second thing that holds Railgun back and really needs to honestly be confronted instead of forgotten is the Silent Party arc. while keeping in tune thematically with the Sisters arc, it also feels like the anime staff's attempt to make a similar story situation while remaining different. however, the tone of the story, while dark, does it's best to stay upbeat and happy, which clashes with the mood of the Sisters arc completely. the characters themselves also feel as if they were completely different characters, especially Mikoto, and if they ever get around to doing a season 3, people who have only seen the anime will be really confused by the "regression" of character in Mikoto as she goes back to facing her enemies alone with minimal support from anyone.

in the case of Magi, we have a story of the dark side of humanity with questions of ethics, human worth, racism, classism.. with political intrigue and the grand battle of good vs evil. I feel Magi has a much larger scale than Railgun. while the raildex series so far has mostly been contained within Academy City, the series of Magi has a worldwide scope, with several events that not only effect the main characters, but the actual world as a whole, and not only one world but several.

one of the great things about Magi is that it has such great world building. while Magi may not be as dark on the surface as Railgun, it certainly has it's share of dark themes. much of the series deals with the racism/classism which takes place in magnostadt city. Magi takes it's time and develops the issues. the world feels more alive, and the people more believable because of the extra time they spend building the world and developing not only the characters, but the environment itself.

and hey, Magi left no time for filler content, either. trololololo...

when it comes down to it, I enjoyed Magi more. the characters and the world around them are very well developed, and continually growing. as much fun as Railgun is, it just can't compare to Magi, which is why Magi gets my vote.

here's hoping for season 3!

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Before I forget, Vote goes to MAGI 2

Honestly I could toss my vote to either side, as I enjoyed both at the same level, the animation at the same level, even the storyline felt the same for me as equals. The only differing factor for me is how the series treat the MH's, The one thing that disappoints me about Railgun, it is very minor, but this always irks me in any anime I watch which is suppose to be female centered. Touma at the end the day needed to be her final push in conquering her demons, even knowing most of the source material, and touma is a main focus, there is just something about seeing a overwhelming strong girl/woman being reduced to a patsy that at the end of the day is rescued by the male MC "just beacuse", even with his hand of "plot justice", he isn't what should have been her saving grace. Again this is a very very minor part, so that is just a issue that I assume only pertains to me. While in Magi at the end of the day Morgiana was one of the "saviors" in helping her MC's, that is just a plus for me, even though it wasn't much, Lets be honest, I mean compared to the rest of the gang she is still in lower rank in terms of aptitude as she has yet to mastered her insane fernis strength. Either one of this moving on will please me so, it is all meh.

Btw I do not really hold a grudge at the silent party arc after r watching it , I think last week?...honestly after the sister arc the only direction was down, as they would not be able to cover the next material in the episodes they had left. So all in all it was a decent closing arc. Could it have been better? Yes...would it have kept the same momentum as before if it were better? No, they did their best.
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So much for the battle resuming on Thursday (my time, anyway). I vote for Railgun S. I'll do this one ShawnHacaga style and compare these two in different categories, but with my own twist. The ratings I give here are 100% subjective.

Story
Magi's story deals with the three main characters going their separate ways to learn more about the world and about themselves, training for a year in pursuit of these goals, until a huge three-way war and some apocalyptic events bring the three together again. The combination of self-discovery, politics, and corruption made the story a lot more interesting to me than I expected it to be. I always appreciate when the antagonists aren't completely evil, so featuring just one non-evil antagonist would have earned Magi a lot of points in my book. But Magi went above and beyond by focusing on a war between multiple nations and, more importantly, showing us the war from different perspectives so as not to say that one side is right and the others are wrong. That left me wondering who I was supposed to root for. Magnostadt? Leam? Someone else? I love seeing such non-straightforward conflicts. That said, I do feel that some parts were slightly rushed, and the last episode just kind of ended without much flare; I also would've liked to see more of Morgiana's story.

The story in Railgun S is broken up into two related arcs. I found the Sisters Arc absolutely incredible. It was always my favorite part of the Index anime series, but Railgun S made it 10x better. The concepts of cloning and corruption have been done before, but seeing the Sisters through Misaka's eyes was nothing like any other version of those concepts I had ever seen. I could really follow Misaka's drive to save the Sisters at any cost, even if it meant sacrificing herself. This isn't just the story of saving a bunch of barely-human clones, this is the story of one girl being made to suffer by a group of corrupt scientists, doing literally everything in her power stop their plan, realizing that, as powerful as she is, she can't stop it by herself, and finally learning to rely on someone else for help. The Silent Party Arc expanded on this last theme, albeit in a smaller and more lighthearted way. I understand why most people dislike this arc, but I felt it worked well enough for what it was, even if it couldn't match the depth and sheer power of the Sisters Arc.

Magi - 8/10 Railgun S - 9.5/10


Characters
I was very impressed by the characterization in this season of Magi. The characters had begun to feel fairly standard around the end of season one, but they felt much deeper and more alive from the first episode of this season. I don't normally care for stories about splitting up to train, but I found myself supporting these characters in their separate journeys. I respected them for acknowledging their weaknesses (Alladin's overreliance on the Rukh, Alibaba's hesitation, and Morgiana's naïvete) and for having the courage to face their weaknesses head-on. I was excited when one of them would show up during the war and subsequent battle because I was eager to see how they had grown. There's also Mogamett, a rare example of an antagonist who evokes my sympathy; I sincerely felt bad for him. And I can't forget Titus and Scheherazade. I was moved by everything Titus did for Marga and by everything Scheherazade did for Titus and all the other citizens of the Leam Empire. She's definitely one of the better rulers I've seen in anime.

But the characterization in Railgun S simply cannot be beaten in my eyes. The series does an amazing job of showing what the events of the story mean to Misaka. In Index, Misaka is just a strong esper who happens to show up from time to time and have a thing for Touma. In Railgun and especially in Railgun S, Misaka is a teenage girl is suffering inside because she can't deal with the thought of 20,000 people with her face and voice being brutally murdered in the name of science, yet still tries to be her usual strong and optimistic self, even in situations where her life is actually in danger. The Sisters themselves felt human in all of the important ways, so seeing one of them tortured and then killed was as hard for me as it was for Misaka. Even Accelerator is shown to have a soul and not just be the typical lunatic killer. He seems happy to kill the Sisters, but it's all a façade. Underneath that freaky smile is a lonely kid who was deceived into doing a bunch of corrupt scientists' bidding in exchange for a respect and an equality that he would never have actually received, even if the plan had succeeded. I could go into Kuroko, Uiharu, and Saten, but since they don't get much more development in this season, I won't. I'll just say that I really like how the Silent Party Arc gave Mitsuko Kongou more depth; no one would have complained if she had remained the "snotty rich girl," but J.C. Staff gave her a more sincere side in that arc, and I, for one, really appreciate it.

Magi - 8.5/10 Railgun S - 10/10

Action
For me, the action in this season of Magi started out weak; the first few bits of action felt just like typical shounen action to me, and I don't like typical shounen action. But things changed with Alibaba's mini-arc. I was impressed by his focus on technique over raw power in that duel and by his use of strategy in the gladiator match. The fight between Alladin and Titus also took me by surprise. I appreciated how the elements of the fight were that of most shounen anime, but they felt more specific and interesting; I didn't feel like I was watching people throwing random energy beams, I felt like I was watching an actual magic duel, and that's not something I see very often. The war and subsequent battle were the highlight of the action for me, though. The measures Alladin took to end the war without casualties were brilliant and did a perfect job of showing just how much he had learned and how much stronger he had become (in more ways than one) from his training in Magnostadt. Also,

But the action in Railgun S is almost incomparable in my eyes. Almost every action sequence in this season contributed something significant to the characters or the story. The fight with Frenda showed that Misaka can act a bit darker when she needs to (e.g., the death threat) and that Frenda is in way over her head with ITEM (I've heard about what happens to her in the source material). The fight with Mugino answered the question "What would happen if two adjacently ranked level 5 espers fought to the death?" and, through Mugino, gave a taste of what the darkness in Academy City was like (and it's pretty scary to think that a level 5 esper is just a taste). The big showdown with Accelerator forced Misaka to realize that she had to rely on others for some things; it also allowed Accelerator to realize he was being used, which in turn allowed him to become a bit more human. Finally, the big battle in the final episode showed all of the characters' dedication to their city/home and pushed Misaka a little bit further to protect the harmony that her friends preserved for her while she was away. I should mention that I loved the amount of strategy in all of these fights, as well. Also,

Magi - 9/10 Railgun S - 10/10


I was going to say more, but I've already written more than I planned to. I really need to do something about that habit of mine. But, yeah, long story short: Magi impressed me and is now my new standard for shounen anime, but Railgun S is tied for my favorite anime of 2013, so I can't vote against it, not even for Magi.
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Nope, completely cereal. I was impressed and felt connected to that show. I'm aware of it's plot holes and other issues, but those are miniscule when i think about how great the characters were, how shocking some of the events were and how intense the war was. Not to mention the OST and animation are insanely good.

So i'm wondering what the problem might be?


No it wasn't the plot holes, those I can actually let slide due to the time constraint the show had at finishing the plot. The issue is (solely referring to season 2 here without being too spoilery) by the mid point of the second season things were beginning to boil, everyone "gone" left and right, everything in peril, the climax was building, but towards the last episodes, instead of enhancing the events of the climax, the behavior of the characters hinder it by devolving into nearly nonsensical melodrama. Their reactions are so far over-the-top,so full of emotional shit angst, that it almost seems comical, teenagers can be stupid but they are not that freaking moronic as a collective group. And, as with most melodrama, much of it could be avoided by a short, 30 second conversation that the characters have both the time and opportunity to engage in. However, instead of doing this, they suffer in silence for no other reason than to make the ending all the more tragic. It’s all just a cheap pull on the viewers’ heartstrings. Basically shit for shit sake.


I understand what you mean, and don't get me wrong, i was INFURIATED by some of the actions and thoughts certain characters had but i think it was warranted. They didn't know what their fellow "saviors" truly became and when they were told of it, they became hesitant but when they were shown proof...that just shocked them and blew their mind. I don't think their reactions were fully unjustified, i mean, it should be surprising thing for them since they had no clue. That "30 second conversation" could spell doom for the group against the Valvrave pilots and they made sure to be cautious. Personally i didn't think it was too over the top and melodramatic, sure at times it could be frustrating, but definitely not bad for me. Your thinking of Nagi no Asukara in that department. I don't want to get too much into it to spoil it for others, but suppose they had that convo and the group decided to trust them, there is still the threat of the Dorssians and ARUS partnership to be handled, so some of those tragic occurrences were more than likely going to happen. I thought the way it went was great and really incorporated themes of the show, like their immense struggle.

Also, i know people were saying the ending sucked, but i don't think that at all. Besides plot-holes, it was epic and emotional. You can pretty much infer what happens after and i thought the lack of information helped and allowed you to do so. I love me some Valvrave.
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I vote for Railgun S

Magi has a few boring episodes which I end up putting Magi on hold, and I still am. Though not all of RailGun S' episodes were as high as quality in the Silent Party Arc, I still find them enjoyable to watch and never got bored of RailGun.
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Haha oh my, your tastes, they are literally all over the place again for me. I think you also possibly watching it in large chunks might have helped you in liking it a bit more, but as I watched it anticipating it every week, at some point I just wanted the show to be over. Also idk, the end didn't really feel much for me to ponder, I could have careless for the kid at the end. I just wanted to know why Shoko hasn't been nail to a cross for centuries to come. Also I did like its somewhat tragic end, the point was they could have lessened the blow with the progression of the story, yes things are still hitting the fan with the war going on, that is unavoidable, but don't add useless shit that makes all the morons go "THE FEELS" just beacuse. The show was more than Solid already.
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GoldTStar wrote:------------


Haha oh my, your tastes, they are literally all over the place again for me. I think you also possibly watching it in large chunks might have helped you in liking it a bit more, but as I watched it anticipating it every week, at some point I just wanted the show to be over. Also idk, the end didn't really feel much for me to ponder, I could have careless for the kid at the end. I just wanted to know why Shoko hasn't been nail to a cross for centuries to come. Also I did like its somewhat tragic end, the point was they could have lessened the blow with the progression of the story, yes things are still hitting the fan with the war going on, that is unavoidable, but don't add useless shit that makes all the morons go "THE FEELS" just beacuse. The show was more than Solid already.


I knew it.
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My vote again is Railgun S for the girls, the sisters, one of the most heart wrenching arcs ever and the Silent Party which I also enjoyed. Some great Fripside OPs to start things off, the Sisters and the sisters. Loved the whole thing!

Conversely I couldn't stick with Magi. Just not something I could enjoy.
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I knew it.


LOL of course, Although I wanna put it out there, I don't hate her character, she was a perfect figure for her role in the show. But as a person, she is one of those people I wouldn't bat a eye if she was murder in front of me, I wouldn't even testify against her assailant xD. Seriously she was the dumbest smartest person in that show. She knows how people work, yet completely throws how that knowledge for apparently no reason.
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GoldTStar wrote:------------


Haha oh my, your tastes, they are literally all over the place again for me. I think you also possibly watching it in large chunks might have helped you in liking it a bit more, but as I watched it anticipating it every week, at some point I just wanted the show to be over. Also idk, the end didn't really feel much for me to ponder, I could have careless for the kid at the end. I just wanted to know why Shoko hasn't been nail to a cross for centuries to come.


That's why i have no specific "tastes". I just watch anime and whichever one impresses me gets my support. Also if i had simulcasted it, i would just be itching to watch the next episode so my preference wouldn't have changed in that regard. Not one dull moment for me in that Second Season. Shoko explained why she did what she did, it's not like it was some random thought that crossed her mind. You could even see how much it was hurting her.

Let's put it this way...I'd rather see someone get over emotional when it pertains to their lives at stake, then get over emotional over a boy/girl for like 5 episodes straight with very little changes to said relationship. I'm picking on Nagi no Asukara a lot.
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