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Why do people hate on Sword Art Online?

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Aren't those people called "hipsters" or something?


“Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.

It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.

Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).

You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.

The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings.

Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.

tl;dr: if you believe hipsters exist, you are a plebeian.
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At the beginning I liked the premise idea a lot. Then the following things happened:

1) first, Asuna got enormously downpowered from her first appearance. She started looking like a badass co-protagonist but for some reason as soon as she fell in love with Kirito she became useless and never significantly helped again. She just became a sort of cheerleader rooting for Kirito.

2) Kirito, in general, got boringly overpowered very quickly. True, that was satisfying sometimes (like when he shrugged off those PKers) but in general a bit more struggle would have been appreciated.

3) the plot was very poorly planned anyway. The action/adventure part wasn't developed (they went from being struggling to suddenly fighting the final boss out of Kirito's Deus Ex Machina deduction power, to suddenly being free), and the romance was equally awkward, since there was no real emotion - just Kirito and Asuna going suddenly "I love you" at each other without some real emotional buildup.

4) the whole Yui subplot was terrible.

These would even be minor points though compared to the following two, namely:

5) The fight with Heathcliff was too sudden, too soon, too focused on Kirito alone, and ended with a bullshit asspull if I ever saw one. No, the "power of love" will not let you come back to life in a videogame just because. And having Kayaba not remembering even WHY he did what he did was boring and felt like the author simply didn't think this through.

6) the whole, and I mean, THE WHOLE ALO arc was absolutely terrible. Starting with the villain's motivations: Sugou is simply ridiculous because marrying a minor in a coma shouldn't even be friggin' LEGAL in any civilized country, so his plan makes no sense at all. Kirito keeping his powers and stats in ALO makes no sense and makes the whole thing more boring because, again, he doesn't have to train/struggle to achieve his objective. The way he gets completely sidetracked from the main quest to help Leafa with absolutely inconsequential MMORPG politics does not help (ALO isn't even a "death game" any more, so why should I care about its squabbles? They're just people role-playing). The whole thing becomes a lot more harem-y and The Heartfelt Love Tragedy Of The Cousin Imouto isn't really that compelling. Finally, Asuna spends the whole arc being even more useless than in the previous one and being subject to rape threats every single episode (including that tentacle scene). Which I really don't care about. In short; terrible villain, no story to talk home of, oh, and at the end Kirito has fun torturing the bad guy and that's supposed to look good (what happened to heroes who decided they couldn't stoop as low as the villains they were fighting?). So yeah.



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Kirito is too powerful. I love SAO, it's my fave anime, but I accept this as true. I think there is a logical reason he became so powerful, but he is too powerful. Tell me, would you rather watch Kirito or Klein as a main character?

Side-note- Am I wrong for loving Heathcliff as a character?


I would rather Kirito be the main character. I am sick and tired of watching anime where a guy character is basically a wimp or even reasonably strong but gets beat on by women all the time for some or no reason. Klein is that kind of character. I don't think that is comedy, I think that is sexism at it's best. I want guy main characters to be awesome and yet are not emotionless. Healthcliff is of the emotionless type.

Personally I wouldn't love Healthcliff because he is emotionless, knows everything because he is Kayaba, and is a cheater. Kayaba couldn't even resist cheating on his own game! This is not even counting the fact that Kayaba trapped everyone there to begin with. So no, I don't think you should love Heathcliff aka Kayaba.

As far problems with Asuna goes in this, I do not see where you get this from. First of all, Asuna only really leveled up her cooking for Kirito and even if she didn't, is it wrong for a woman to learn to cook if she wants to? Noone was telling her she had to or was even expecting it from her. Second of all, it is very evident to me that Asuna never lost her awesomeness even in the ALO arc. As you recall, she did not wait for Kirito to find her, she tried to escape on her own and when she failed, SHE gave him the access card needed to get up the tree. He would have FAILED without her help so she assisted him in saving herself. She never ACTED like a damsel in distress. Also, you can see in the latest Caliber arc that she indeed did not lost her awesomeness especially in the latest episode.
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Cause they wish they were as pimp as Kirito.


Pimp isn't exactly the word for Kirito and to answer this question, this anime is considered something like "Ridiculous. Bad writing, one-dimensional characters and overall, another otaku wish fulfillment garbage." by some person and others. Not that I said anything like the quote I mentioned, but I gotta admit that it isn't exactly my style, though I would not go to far as to say something like in one of the previous sentences.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

Aren't those people called "hipsters" or something?


“Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.

It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.

Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).

You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.

The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings.

Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.

tl;dr: if you believe hipsters exist, you are a plebeian.


Nah, there are just snobs.
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Just enjoy SAO for what it is, a protagonist centered series about being a god in video games. You don't need to over-think it, jeez.
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Because they're stupid. SAO rules, end of story.
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I was expecting a badass show about survival (not going to lie the first episodes were awesome), but after a couple of episodes the whole show just changed completely especially when the romance stuff started coming in.
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I've seen better, but I've also seen worse. I've enjoyed watching it so far (I've only begun).
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None of the characters captivated me at anypoint, the romance between kirito and asuna was a mess. There was massive pacing issues in the first season with pretty much all the exciting parts being cut out. They did a terrible job of capturing the soul of MMORPG's with too much focus on a romance which a mess to begin with. All the girls fall in love with kirito for no real reason. Not to mention the action isn't great either it isn't bad but it isn't great. They neutered asuna they turned a badass into a girl who can't do jackshit wihout her boyfriend
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Well the reasons are different for season I and season II. Season I got a huge amount of popularity when it came out, and it had noticeable flaws when it comes to writing (and not just in the ALO arc, Aincrad had some problems too) But so many hailed the show as a masterpiece that this pointed a HUGE bullseye on the show for people to pick it apart, so they did.
The interesting thing is, the response to season II has been almost entirely negative (or mediocre at least) from both fans and haters of season I. I find this interesting because in many ways, GGO does make a few improvements over season I (menacing villain, new female lead with a lot of initial potential, no time jumps), but at the same time it still makes a lot of the same mistakes season I does (I'm sorry, the way Kawahara displays scenes of sexual assault in this series just feels creepy and exploitative in my opinion) I think with season II, they are trying to continue a story that didn't really need a continuation, so a lot of fans are wising up to the show's weak points, which could be why the overall consensus of the show is unanimously lukewarm. Personally, I enjoyed GGO okay (I think people over state how bad the cave scene is, it's a little slow but it only lasted a couple of episodes) but it is really frustrating that the writer keeps making the same mistakes, even if he is gradually improving. I haven't seen any of the Caliber arc, but I think I will pick the series up again when season II ends.
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Main character is a semi-empty shell that lets viewers put themselves in the characters place. Everyone seems to like and/or become attracted to him for no real reason.They expect too much out of the viewers when they want us to believe that he's able to overcome challenges by pulling overpowering strength out of his ass, while giving the viewers the explanation that he was grinding levels between scenes and shows.

The show caters to one too many fetishes (incest, trap, rape/NTR, harem etc.) Fairy land setting is bland and makes me cringe. The GGO arc is incredibly slow, you could fit the first 10 episodes into 3 episodes without losing anything meaningful. In GGO the show casually says "Oh by the way, this important event happened in the first arc but you didn't get to see it but we're going to inject it anyways." That injected story seems to be extremely important and relevant to the first arc. After all that, the big bad guy seems like an incredibly weak and uninteresting character. The PTSD from holding a gun thing is annoying and not very believable.

The first 13-14 episodes were fine, but every time I hear this question "Why do people hate SAO" I look back and I find more and more things that were bad about it. It's like a rock I found once on a beach. It was cool, and I could appreciate this rock. But over time the ocean withered away the rock until it became nothing more than a grain of sand on that beach. The beach of bad anime.
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I am an SAO purist and an anime snob. I will admit that without shame.

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!

I loved the first 3 episodes of SAO. They were shocking, and taking a new look into how fucked up it would be to actually be trapped in a video game world. Lots of people died, alot due to suicide. They could barely make it past the first floor, and Kirito has a little bit of a bad boy streak going on. It looks like an anime that might actually be trying to think for a change, and not just make a badass always gonna win protagonist who is surrounded by titties.

You can guess what I'm gonna say next. Now, I didn't mind much of the rest of the SAO arc. It wasn't as groundbreaking and awesome as the first 3 episodes and Kirito had some badass scenes. The part where he is on the bridge getting attacked by that orange player guild and taking no damage because of his combat healing and crazy high level was fucking wicked. He never had a bigger dick in his life and his swag was off the charts that I started calling him swagito from then on. But that was it, he couldn't help but kick ass. He kicked a FUCKING WORLD BOSSES ass pretty much single handedly. And it was awesome, but it wasn't deep. The episode where he lost his entire guild was deep and sad and made me tear up a bit. Then the ending of the SAO arc....rushed. Thats it. I expected it to last like 24 episodes but nope. 12 mother fuckers. 12.

Then...ALO. You could tell they were trying really hard with this one because the titties were amazingly rendered. The motivation was actually pretty good, I mean, your in game waifu was still in the game. And Alfheim was actually a pretty neat location. A norse based fairyland. Thats neet....but they revive. Kirito was already kicking ass, but now he has unlimited continues. Now all the tension is gone. In SAO a badass can still lose. But now, he can't even die for real. So he just wreckes the entire game in like 2 days and rescues Asuna from the rape CEO and forever makes conversations with his sister awkward. The incest storyline was soooooo unnecessary. Even his fucking sister cannot handle Swagito. Come on now. See, we went from crazy deep video game anime that made .hack look like a pile of dogshit, and then we had just a pretty good anime with the same amount of tension that usual anime has, without the introspection that the first 3 episodes had. And now we have a power fantasy where at the end, Swagito has a harem of all his virtual girlfriends who still want to bang him even though he has a perfectly good Waifu and a creepy A.I. daughter that no one has questioned in the slightest.

Now you have GGO.

The only good parts about GGO was Sinon, who actually got fleshed out a bit....until Swagito got her into that cave. Then she became reliant on him once again. And the link to the Murder Guild Laughing coffin. That was an awesome twist. I always wondered if they would ever bring up THE MURDERERS WHO TOTALLY ESCAPED SAO SCOTT FREE. That was a nice touch....that failed when he wipes the floor with death gun. Then you have the now traditional rapey scene that is totally nessassary, because if incest wasn't enough, then a nice raping from a trusted friend is the perfect last nail in the coffin for this trainwreck of an anime.

But its a train wreck that I want to watch. I can't help it. Its such a pretty anime and the animation team worked hard to make the world and the effects as pretty as they could. Its just the writing team that screwed the pooch. They don't know what made SAO popular so they just threw tittes and action scenes into it. Wrote out all its depth and emotion and left us with yet another cookie cutter anime. Im gonna watch it because it is funny to see how much they fucked this one up. And yes, there is worse you could watch than this, but there are alot of reasons to be disappointed in how SAO turned out.

TL;DR: Its great, I don't know what anyone's talking about. I love titties.
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I am an SAO purist and an anime snob. I will admit that without shame.

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!

I loved the first 3 episodes of SAO. They were shocking, and taking a new look into how fucked up it would be to actually be trapped in a video game world. Lots of people died, alot due to suicide. They could barely make it past the first floor, and Kirito has a little bit of a bad boy streak going on. It looks like an anime that might actually be trying to think for a change, and not just make a badass always gonna win protagonist who is surrounded by titties.

You can guess what I'm gonna say next. Now, I didn't mind much of the rest of the SAO arc. It wasn't as groundbreaking and awesome as the first 3 episodes and Kirito had some badass scenes. The part where he is on the bridge getting attacked by that orange player guild and taking no damage because of his combat healing and crazy high level was fucking wicked. He never had a bigger dick in his life and his swag was off the charts that I started calling him swagito from then on. But that was it, he couldn't help but kick ass. He kicked a FUCKING WORLD BOSSES ass pretty much single handedly. And it was awesome, but it wasn't deep. The episode where he lost his entire guild was deep and sad and made me tear up a bit. Then the ending of the SAO arc....rushed. Thats it. I expected it to last like 24 episodes but nope. 12 mother fuckers. 12.

Then...ALO. You could tell they were trying really hard with this one because the titties were amazingly rendered. The motivation was actually pretty good, I mean, your in game waifu was still in the game. And Alfheim was actually a pretty neat location. A norse based fairyland. Thats neet....but they revive. Kirito was already kicking ass, but now he has unlimited continues. Now all the tension is gone. In SAO a badass can still lose. But now, he can't even die for real. So he just wreckes the entire game in like 2 days and rescues Asuna from the rape CEO and forever makes conversations with his sister awkward. The incest storyline was soooooo unnecessary. Even his fucking sister cannot handle Swagito. Come on now. See, we went from crazy deep video game anime that made .hack look like a pile of dogshit, and then we had just a pretty good anime with the same amount of tension that usual anime has, without the introspection that the first 3 episodes had. And now we have a power fantasy where at the end, Swagito has a harem of all his virtual girlfriends who still want to bang him even though he has a perfectly good Waifu and a creepy A.I. daughter that no one has questioned in the slightest.

Now you have GGO.

The only good parts about GGO was Sinon, who actually got fleshed out a bit....until Swagito got her into that cave. Then she became reliant on him once again. And the link to the Murder Guild Laughing coffin. That was an awesome twist. I always wondered if they would ever bring up THE MURDERERS WHO TOTALLY ESCAPED SAO SCOTT FREE. That was a nice touch....that failed when he wipes the floor with death gun. Then you have the now traditional rapey scene that is totally nessassary, because if incest wasn't enough, then a nice raping from a trusted friend is the perfect last nail in the coffin for this trainwreck of an anime.

But its a train wreck that I want to watch. I can't help it. Its such a pretty anime and the animation team worked hard to make the world and the effects as pretty as they could. Its just the writing team that screwed the pooch. They don't know what made SAO popular so they just threw tittes and action scenes into it. Wrote out all its depth and emotion and left us with yet another cookie cutter anime. Im gonna watch it because it is funny to see how much they fucked this one up. And yes, there is worse you could watch than this, but there are alot of reasons to be disappointed in how SAO turned out.

TL;DR: Its great, I don't know what anyone's talking about. I love titties.


Wow, you summed up my thoughts exactly. The sudden influx of blatant fanservice after episode 12 made me really sad.

I've always had trouble explaining to friends who ask about it, and it's hard to tell them how much I simultaneously love and hate this show without spoilers. It's just full of wasted potential.
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I enjoyed it up to about episode 15/16 then it just got boring and retarded.
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