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Why do people hate on Sword Art Online?

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Posted 7/14/19 , edited 7/15/19
Even when SAO finally throws in an antagonistic female character who isn't misunderstood or a harem member (excluding the first arc), the series still just can't get away from that unfortunate second-arc tradition of having pretty much every big final encounter being based around an effing rape scene........... And this time, it came from a flaming clown who tries to hump the big bad until he effing dies..........

SAO: It used to be complete trash, and it 100% still is.
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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/15/19

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I don't mind it. However I can see why it gets a lot of criticism. I'll go by and grade the arcs:

Aincrad: C. Everyone remembers the plot armor at the end from Kirito's fight with Heathcliffe (Kayaba), and that's why it gets a bad rep. I found the murder mystery in the middle of the arc interesting, and the rivalry with that one dude in hte Knights of the Blood Oath was kind of fun. Sachi's death was sad too. But the random episodes with Silica Lisbeth Klein and others being prominently featured only to be relegated back to minor characters were annoying.

ALO: C-. I didn't like it. Sugou was disgusting and easily to hate, but still Kirito's random control panel access made no sense. The who thing with his cousin or whatever was gross too. I don't dislike Suguha, but that was just strange. Not much more to say about it.

GGO: B+. This one was actually fun. I like the pacing, and the mystery of who death gun was interested me. Sinon is a great character, and my favorite from the series. She didn't fall in love with Kirito nor did she suddenly become a demsel in distress. I found her background interesting and her character seems more realistic than others in the series. The reason this arc doesn't get an A is the ending. It was disturbing. Especially the part where Sinon's best friend is essentially forcing himself onto her. The radio part, well, I don't know. Some find it silly, some find it just flat out stupid, I didn't really have an opinion on it. But hey, this arc was an improvement and overall not too bad.

Mother's Rosario: B. I don't remember much from this arc honestly. But the ending was definitely moving. It had a bit more of a humanistic element to it. Konno Yukki is definitely a likable character who you'll sympathize with. But again, not much to say. While the ending was moving, the first half of it I forgot.

Alicization: B+: I finished it about a week ago, and liked it. The first episode gives a good backstory and sets the tone well. Kirito's journey to save Alice is compelling. Eugeo does a good job pushing Kirito to continue on, and Alice isn't like some of the other leads where she suddenly falls in love with Kirito. Sure it's hinted that she has feelings, but she still is rational and puts those secondary, as any character with a goal in mind should. However, this arc is far from perfect. Quinella as a final villain is way to oversexualized. Seriously, there was no need for it. And the scene featuring Tiese and Ronye is definitely a trigger for some people. It's a very uncomfortable subject for a lot of people. Eugeo's death is sad, and while plot armor is still prevalent, it's not as bad as previous arcs.

Overall: B-. Some arcs were good, some were not good. There weren't really any just terribly awful ones or absolutely outstanding ones. Kirito isn't the worst character in my opinion, and I've seen far worse leads. However, I can see why some people dislike it. The plot armor especially early on was annoying (though it's actually not the worse I've seen. Erza's takes the cake), but the latter 3 arcs were improvements. I'll be curious to see how Season 4 of the anime goes. My personal opinion is that the end of the Alicization Arc left me intrigued for it. I'll be curious to see if SAO can at least keep up its trend of improvements, or if it's a major disappointment like the first 2 arcs.


What about Sword Art Online Alternative Gun Gale Online? I'm not a fan of the main series but that spin off was actually pretty fun. I would give it a solid B where as the what I have seen of the main series is generally somewhere around a C.

Anyway, as others have said, most of the hate it gets is because it's popular. It's not much worse than a lot of the other big name shounen which are quite honestly also just average to a bit above average.

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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/15/19

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don't understand why people use the reasoning, "because it's popular". I like a lot of popular anime like HxH and Free!.

I have my own reasons for not liking SAO. i didn't like how the characters was panned out. the dialogues didn't captivate me in any way. I didn't like how they focused on asuna making bentos and sandwiches... (more sexist ideals). I didn't like that they spent several episodes on them going on a honeymoon when they're supposed to be fighting for their life.


You asked for my opinion, and you have it. don't quote me saying i'm being harsh. it's my honest opinion. i'm not telling anyone to not watch it. if you like it, others negative criticism shouldn't matter.



I love cooking, and I'm male. Am I breaking sexist ideals?


I rather like it as a whole, I just didn't like the whole attempted rape thing at the end of ALO and GGO.



Why would that be sexist?

It's know world wide that all the best cooks are men. Women are too emotional for the science of cooking.
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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/15/19
Also first 13 episodes of SA:O season 1 were great,

Was all downhill after that.

Season 2 was trash. SAO:A was even worse.
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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/15/19

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What about Sword Art Online Alternative Gun Gale Online? I'm not a fan of the main series but that spin off was actually pretty fun. I would give it a solid B where as the what I have seen of the main series is generally somewhere around a C.

Anyway, as others have said, most of the hate it gets is because it's popular. It's not much worse than a lot of the other big name shounen which are quite honestly also just average to a bit above average.



You are not wrong, other bad shows fade into obscurity so there is no reason to express hate for them. The job is done, they are dead.

This sticks around.

The GGO spinoff was a lot of fun though, it was basically a PUBG anime. I had a lot of fun both playing and watching people play PUBG.
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most of the hate it gets is because it's popular. It's not much worse than a lot of the other big name shounen which are quite honestly also just average to a bit above average.


What? No! I mean, not really? If SAO wasn't big then it'd fall into obscurity... but this series is so much worse than just mediocre. I've been following Jump since the Jump Start initiative and there's a lot of shonen manga that have come and gone. There have been so many shonen series that were actively really cool and interesting and that had stuff in order that just died while this mess gets by with the dumbest bullcrap just through sheer brand-name recognition and production values.

Like there's worse crap out there, nobody here's probably going to be that aware of Tokyo Shinobi Squad, which is a currently running series that's just so far down in just things that aren't even worth getting angry about because it's too bad to make you really care. But then there's your Hell Warden Higuma and Kagamigami, Chainsaw Man, heck, even The Last Saiyuki and stuff like Yui Kamio which is at least competent shonen stuff with some of them even being great titles and none of them are going to go anywhere at all outside of maybe Chainsaw Man because it's the one thing I've listed here that's good enough and weird enough to actually stand out and make a profit.

SAO is so far below so many new things coming out literally right now that it's not even funny. It's not quite THE worst, but you cannot honestly say it's just below average in any kind-of good faith unless you're either not aware of how badly it screws up OR unless you just don't know how much actually good shonen stuff is out there that genuinely gets what it's doing.
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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/15/19
People often hate on something that's popular for the purpose of seeking attention. I'm not saying that that's the case with everyone who hates something that's popular, but I've found the attention-seeking motive to be quite common.

I know very little about Sword Art Online, so I can't really speak accurately about its content.
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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/15/19
I’ve commented on this before but there are a few reasons SAO is controversial.

(1) It’s popular. This isn’t so much a reason as it is a basis. If SAO didn’t have a big positive following, there would be no reason for haters to hate it. They’d say, this is dull and move on, like what happed with Smartphone, which most people think is bad and as not popular at all.

(2) It exploits a lot of cheap tropes / devices in place of developing a proper story. One dimensional villains, enormous plot holes, sexual predators as the backdrop to every problem. This show is unironically crass, and yet it takes itself seriously.

As to why people like it, it hits some popular keynotes. (1) Strong snarky female leads (2) a virtuous yet nerdy protagonist (3) an easily digestible sci-fi fantasy environment. Much like Star Wars, it’s widely accessible Sci-fi fantasy. The first season is also pretty light on the deeper otaku flavors.

I guess a way to summarize it is, it’s shiny enough to appeal to the less experienced anime watchers, but it’s way too derivative and exploitative for heavily experienced anime watchers to stomach. This sounds condescending but the more experience you have with stories, the more jarring and distracting things like the abuse of tropes and derivative story telling become. That is unless they are used for parody, and used adroitly to that effect. (Konosuba vs Smartphone)
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Sword Art Online is a series where it at least feels clear that the first light novel was made with a bit of thought, but was a pretty standard isekai with an overpowered character and a really rough rushed ending where characters are killed and come back just for the sake of keeping them alive. Side note, we actually do know that the end was rushed because the book was pushed out for a contest. So take that and then Frankenstein in a side story into the middle of the plot that has a way different feel and tone while not relating to anything, and you've got the first season of SAO.

That's probably the best arc of the series so far and it only goes downhill from there. At least things seem like they're getting a bit better with the newer arc as the creator starts to naturally improve a bit over time across the light novels, but it's still a pretty badly written series overall that doesn't seem to have much actual thought put towards the implications of anything the series actually does.

Like... It's actually kind-of hard to talk about briefly because there's just so much that's really badly handled and nonsensical about the entire SAO series and a lot of it's stuff that isn't immediately obvious or that you only really notice when you stop to think about it, but it's definitely a series with a lot of really heavy glaring flaws behind it that doesn't really know how to tell a competent narrative and mainly just appeals to people through waifus and power fantasy elements.
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Posted 7/15/19 , edited 7/16/19
Because light novels don't live to their expectations.
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did you hear what he was saying that he changed a few thing about asuna when he first created her from scratch and put her in her body you do realise she was just a sole after the first part of sword art online right because he prevented her from going back in her body completely so he could get her dad to say ok to helping her so he could marry her after she comes back from the any way he didn't say it but the only reason she was without her abilities was he removed most of thim from her by using his mind control from his experiences when he put her in the new body to keep her alive in the game and aged her up to i thin 16 or 18 or 19 that is what he really meant when he say i didn't do too many changes to you except make age up and gave you bigger tits the removal of her sword ability and most of her other abilities were removed before he put her in a ingame body to keep her alive outside her mind so she had no choice but be his sex doll he did give her healing ability and Hering ability because he new or thote he new that the wouldn't be any problems for him. that's what those three dots mean at the end of him speaking to her he also made sure she wasn't near any sword that is why he kept her in a cage just incase she remember how to fight. and there wasn't any incest with his cousin or sister she just had a crush on him and the never real had anything sexual or other wise . and he didn't fix his little girl she was still a stone when he first interd alfinhine alfinhine fix his little girl because it was about to erase her but asked him if he wanted to have alfinhine fix her he said yes so it fix her. that just my two cents an belief.
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Posted 7/16/19 , edited 7/16/19
You having a stroke, man?
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Like has been said Kirito being able to defeat the boss in the first season despite being struck down himself wasn't well explained. I guess you could just say "HEROIC WILLPOWER!!!" but that's kind of dumb.

I liked the Kirito/Asuna romance but then you get into season 2 and Asuna's fiance is a total creep and then there are the tentacle monsters at the end and it's all dark and perverted.

I like SAO despite it's flaws. But it has flaws.
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I watched the first 2 seasons of SAO a few months ago after having it on my MAL watchlist for a while. (Haven't seen season 3 yet) I went into the show with pretty low expectations after reading all the hate on it. Is it the worst piece of crap ever made? Definitely not. Does it deserve the huge fanbase that it currently has? Hell no, not in my opinion at least. My biggest issue with the show isn't the bland characters that we encounter or the over the edginess Kirito who can't even make 1 sentence without making you cringe, but the god awful pacing that plagued both the first and second season which pretty much destroyed all immersion for me.

Lets start with the pacing in Season 1. Right off the bat they make a 2 months or something timeskip after Episode 1 (I think it was Ep 1). We don't get to see any character developement between characters like Asuna and Kirito after their first encounter, nor with the other people he's encountered with before. They all just know eachother and are already hardcore raiders even tho the premise of EP 1 gave you the impression that this was a dangerous world and even low level mobs/people fighting for lvling spots would be a huge problem for the majority of players (including Kirito). But all those problems were overcome after the first episode without us even getting to see any of it.
A few episodes later they already made a timeskip to 2-3 years in the future. Now I'm not going to list all the things that happened between those skips and why I think it was stupid to perform them so early on in the series, since that list would be too long.

So from what you can see, my biggest problem with season 1 (the Aincrad arc) was that the pacing was way too fast, destroying all the immersion of the show, not giving any room for character developement between the main cast etc.

Now let's talk about the pacing in season 2 (Phantom Bullet)...
You'd think the issue here would also be that the pacing is too fast right? Wrong. Instead of going too fast, the pacing in season 2 is so awfully slow, that during the first 8-9 episodes of season 2 (which is like 70-80% of the first arc since the season is divided in 3 arcs), pretty much nothing happens, nothing at all. It's 90% conversations and just Kirito being edgy as usual, altho probably even more edgy than season 1, even though his life isn't even at risk anymore. All I could think about while watching season 2 was - Is something gonna happen soon? Most of its episodes felt like a chore watching, just to maybe get to some decent part. Also while watching season 2, you'd ask yourself why they couldn't have just borrowed some of the slow pacing from it and put it in season 1 instead, since it really needed it.

To sum it all up, season 1 pacing was way too fast, and season 2 pacing was way too slow.

Out of all the 49 episodes from both seasons, the only part I actually enjoyed without cringing to death was the Mother's Rosario arc at the end of season 2, but unfortunately that was only 3-4 episodes long.
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Posted 7/16/19 , edited 7/16/19
My problem with SAO is how inconsistent it is.

The show will go from haing a great arc (Mother's Rosario) to making me cringe (Fairy Dance) to putting me to sleep (Phantom Bullet) to just being a fun but pretty generic fantasy story.

Most shows are predictable, be it good or bad, but SAO has been all over the place.

There are a LOT of (very valid) critiques about the mechanics and setting for the games but, if you ignore how much the games would suck if you were playing them and just watch the show without thinking about how it would actually play as a MMO, those are pretty easy to dismiss as being irrelevant since you're not actually playing the ridicullusly poorly designed game.
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