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New Winter Titles: Magic Kaito 1412, Absolute Duo, Yurikuma Arashi and Kamisama Hajimemashita

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Four shows announced so far and NONE are available in my region. I especially don't appreciate when you say "available in the EU.." and later tack on that this excludes the UK and Ireland - The last time I checked Ireland was in the EU!

I'm going to guess that when it says "Available in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Ireland and South America", and not available most of the EU ... that's perfectly fine with you.

The thing is, its the same "English Language Country" license region definitions that gets you those series on Crunchyroll, when Sentai licenses "English Language Countries", that costs you access when Funimation licenses "English Language Countries". And its like that this season, like every season so far, the series you gain because of that license region are going to outnumber the ones that you lose ...

... and similar to the US viewers while unlike Scandinavian and Latin American members, at least some of those will be available to you on another simulcast streaming service.


I'm all for legally supporting anime but I don't believe in wasting what little money I have either. Remember CR that there are plenty on ways to get this content for free and one simple way for me to cancel my subscription - I hate going through this BS at the start of each season!

What precisely do you want Crunchyroll to do about it? If they tried to "outbid" Funimation by paying physical distribution Minimum Guarantees to land streaming rights, Crunchyroll would go bankrupt, which wouldn't be of any use to anybody.
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yay thanks for magic kaito 1412 but why now then come out..
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Four shows announced so far and NONE are available in my region. I especially don't appreciate when you say "available in the EU.." and later tack on that this excludes the UK and Ireland - The last time I checked Ireland was in the EU!

"Later"? You mean as in immediately after? Both shows for most of Europe are worded as follows:

Europe (except for UK, Ireland, and Scandinavia)

Would you rather they instead have had a long list of all the other European countries you would have to look through, only to find your country was not on the list?

It also remains to be seen if CR will have English language rights to these series (as as often been the case in the past few seasons with these type licenses). What percentage of CR viewers in the UK and Ireland would have benefited if that turns out to be the case?

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I'm going to guess that when it says "Available in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Ireland and South America", and not available most of the EU ... that's perfectly fine with you.


All 4 to-date are specifically not available in my country



... and similar to the US viewers while unlike Scandinavian and Latin American members, at least some of those will be available to you on another simulcast streaming service.


There are no other legal anime streaming services available in my country (or if there are, I've never heard of or been able to find them)



What precisely do you want Crunchyroll to do about it? If they tried to "outbid" Funimation by paying physical distribution Minimum Guarantees to land streaming rights, Crunchyroll would go bankrupt, which wouldn't be of any use to anybody.


Frankly, once there is some element of competition, I couldn't care less who gains the rights or how they go about doing it. I strongly object to having my service limited by the manner in which rights are negotiated and issued for countries where there is not competition and where no alternative service will ever be provided. If you cant ever pay for it at a reasonable rate then how can anybody truthfully object to fansubs.

I would like CR to be better at planning, negotiating & announcing upcoming shows. once I know what will be available for the season I will make the call to continue my subscription or to cancel - I really don't appreciate the waiting game.


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not true, they had less competition then and funimation was not grabbing streaming rights like they are now, sentai and funi were more focused on dvd releases. There are many competitors now so CR has more competition, the only thing CR has increased is its licensing outside the US, their NA content has stayed about the same, but slightly less due to funi's increasing acquisitions. Makes sense though in a business aspect, CR is trying to branch out because NA content is probably increasing in price (more companies bidding for rights).

Sentai isn't competition. They are the reason CR can compete on a more even basis with Funimation for some titles (with Sentai countering the home video license bait Funimation can dangle). The Anime Network no longer competes for exclusive simulcasts (and in fact, most of their streaming is delayed by weeks). Viz also hasn't simulcast anything in several seasons. I seriously doubt Funimation is grabbing more titles this season than Funimation + TAN + Viz did at one point in the past.

The original Kamisama Kiss (Kamisama Hajimemashita) series aired in summer 2013, and there is little doubt Funimation was going to have the second series.

Last winter, Funimation had 8 new simulcasts (with one being a sequel of a previous simulcast), this time they have 12 (with 3 thus far being sequels of previous simulcasts). You're basically claiming these 2 titles would have been among that difference of 4.



TAN never got that many titles and if they did often times it was delaycast with CR getting simulcast (so about the same as now),funi got like 1-3 plus one piece and toriko, Viz got maybe 1-2 a season at most. So yes I think with Funi's increasing acquisitions it is adding up to more. Also now there is daisuki which tends to put its stuff on hulu. Netflix also had an exclusive recently too. Now I am not saying CR doesnt maintain an impressive library and simulcast list. Just that they have more competition, thus reducing what they can get exclusive wise. Before Funi started their elite subscription and even about 2 seasons in to their offering it, Just about 99% of the titles CR got were available for NA. Now CR has still picked up pretty much every show Funi has but not for NA. I got a TAN like 3 times in the past, mostly for their library catalog and not their simulcasts, and only 1 months. Funi was never worth it before so I never spent money on it, However that is changing although as long as they put it on hulu on a 1 week delay I will probably watch it there. CR I never had a complaint about their amount, they get a lot, mostly why I subscribe to them. It is slightly annoying though that now I can't watch everything on CR. However I think the people not in NA are seeing more titles for their areas so that is great for them (I could be wrong about that though, since I mostly pay attention to NA releases).
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"Later"? You mean as in immediately after? Both shows for most of Europe are worded as follows:

Europe (except for UK, Ireland, and Scandinavia)

Would you rather they instead have had a long list of all the other European countries you would have to look through, only to find your country was not on the list?


wording for absolute Duo as follows:

Absolute Duo will also be streaming for ALL of our EU and MENA users as well! [Hurrah!!!!!] Starting on Monday, January 5th at 11:00 AM Pacific Time for Crunchyroll members in the following territories: Europe [pause and wait for it!] (except for UK, Ireland, and Scandinavia), the Middle East and North Africa.


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... and similar to the US viewers while unlike Scandinavian and Latin American members, at least some of those will be available to you on another simulcast streaming service.


There are no other legal anime streaming services available in my country (or if there are, I've never heard of or been able to find them)


Not sure what country you are in but check the link I have as my status. You might find some sites that might have something in your area. I try to keep a list of sites I know that have anime but not all have simulcasts. Also probably missed some for Europe as I focus mainly on NA.
"Legal Anime http://www.crunchyroll.com/user/Assassinx89/pages/legalsites"
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i thought they would have gotten kaito 1412 before detective conan (case closed) but i'm glad CR has both. now only if CR could get DC( CC
) back catalogue.
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I'm super excited for the winter season. Question though: Are you guys going to get Dog Days''(AKA Dog Days Season 3) or were you guys not able to get the proper documents for it?
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TAN never got that many titles and if they did often times it was delaycast with CR getting simulcast (so about the same as now),funi got like 1-3 plus one piece and toriko, Viz got maybe 1-2 a season at most. So yes I think with Funi's increasing acquisitions it is adding up to more. Also now there is daisuki which tends to put its stuff on hulu. Netflix also had an exclusive recently too. Now I am not saying CR doesnt maintain an impressive library and simulcast list. Just that they have more competition, thus reducing what they can get exclusive wise. Before Funi started their elite subscription and even about 2 seasons in to their offering it, Just about 99% of the titles CR got were available for NA. Now CR has still picked up pretty much every show Funi has but not for NA. I got a TAN like 3 times in the past, mostly for their library catalog and not their simulcasts, and only 1 months. Funi was never worth it before so I never spent money on it, However that is changing although as long as they put it on hulu on a 1 week delay I will probably watch it there. CR I never had a complaint about their amount, they get a lot, mostly why I subscribe to them. It is slightly annoying though that now I can't watch everything on CR. However I think the people not in NA are seeing more titles for their areas so that is great for them (I could be wrong about that though, since I mostly pay attention to NA releases).

You seem to have a short memory regarding TAN. While they were actively simulcasting, most of their titles were exclusives which means CR didn't get them at all.

Since you used the word "never", you gave me a broad field to play with. Let's look at one season I remember, summer 2011:

TAN simulcasts that season:
Croisée in a Foreign Labyrinth -The Animation- (Ikoku Meiro no Croisée)
Ro-Kyu-Bu ~ Fast Break!
Heaven's Memo Pad (Kamisama no Memo-cho)

Not a single one was on CR.

BTW, that same season, NicoNico.com came into existence, with 6 simulcasts, 4 shared with CR, with CR on a 1 week delay. Viz had 1, and Funimation was still at a low point (where they had been since fall 2010 after a strong summer 2010), also with only 1 new simulcast.

Total simulcasts not on CR: 7 (plus 4 available elsewhere a week earlier). I should point out CR had only 13 new simulcasts that season.


Speaking of summer 2010, if you compared the number of new simulcasts on Funimation then vs. the number of new simulcasts on CR, it appears they beat CR that season. I count a mere 5 on CR (one of which was a short form anime) vs. 7 on Funimation for that season.

Viz had one simulcast that season, as did TAN (again, an exclusive, and a rather popular series; HOTD).



On a different topic, you stated, "Now CR has still picked up pretty much every show Funi has but not for NA".

You may want to look at Funimation's lineup. CR has 3 non-NA shows thus far that are on Funimation as new simulcasts. Funimation has 12 new simulcasts. In my book, one quarter isn't "pretty much every". (To be fair, that should increase by at least one, but even if two more were added, it would still be less than half).

Of Funimation's 4 continuing simulcasts, 3 are on CR in the US and Canada. Based on the history of the past few seasons, odds are good that one of their new simulcasts will also be on CR in the US and Canada.




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Question though: Are you guys going to get Dog Days''(AKA Dog Days Season 3) or were you guys not able to get the proper documents for it?

It is rather unlikely CR won't get it. Keep in mind it doesn't premiere for another week, so there is plenty of time to announce it.

Except for 3 titles, the anime season premieres are complete by the following day, so Dog Days'' is very close to the end.
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Glad to see Magic Kaito 1412 finally making its way over here (legally).
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munsterhouse wrote: There are no other legal anime streaming services available in my country (or if there are, I've never heard of or been able to find them)

Ah, now I see what you meant ~ yes, Ireland is in about the same boat as Scandinavia, counted as an "English Speaking" country in a single licensing block, but not served by anybody that Funimation is willing to sub-license to. And just like Scandinavia, if AnimaxUK were a hungry little start up company instead of a division of Sony, AnimaxUK would be adding Ireland rights whenever they had a chance to do so.



What precisely do you want Crunchyroll to do about it? If they tried to "outbid" Funimation by paying physical distribution Minimum Guarantees to land streaming rights, Crunchyroll would go bankrupt, which wouldn't be of any use to anybody.


Frankly, once there is some element of competition, I couldn't care less who gains the rights or how they go about doing it. I strongly object to having my service limited by the manner in which rights are negotiated and issued for countries where there is not competition and where no alternative service will ever be provided. If you cant ever pay for it at a reasonable rate then how can anybody truthfully object to fansubs.

My question was rather, why would you object to that here, as if it was Crunchyroll's doing, when it clearly wasn't.

If you don't like not knowing all of the lineup at one time, wait a couple of weeks and check out then, since as long as people keep checking in for the announcements as they occur during announcement week, its likely that Crunchyroll will keep doing it this way.

In some cases they could announce some titles earlier, but then there would be multi-day gaps will negotiations were concluded on other titles, and those multi-day gaps would be filled with hysterical reactions from people declaring the "zOMG Crunchyroll has been frozen out by Japan!!!!" and similar.
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Darn I really wanted to watch Absolute Duo
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lol wtf? it's no wonder so many people torrent shit. How can anime be shown in EU but not UK, even though were the biggest Anime fanbase in EU along with France and Germany. Also UK/US share like everything else, no other countries are as close, but meanwhile in this 'industry' I don't know what they're doing.


Most people torrent shit because they are either too lazy or too cheap.

Here is a list of anime streaming sites for UK, someone else probably has the rights in the area and is why CR didn't get it for that region. Funi keeps picking up NA rights which is why CR is getting fewer shows in NA than it had been (Not that it still doesn't get a lot). So find who is picking up the shows.

http://www.mangauk.com/post.php?p=anime-streaming-sites


Of that list you linked to only Crunchyroll and Animax have much anime. (and Animax don't have much) Netflix have recently started adding more, it's all old stuff of course, but that's fine with me as I'd take quality over quantity and newness anyday. The rest are not worth looking at as it's either all dubbed or comically expensive. (or both)

The situation in the UK is unfortunate, as when Crunchyroll doesn't get something that usually means it won't be available to stream anywhere in the UK. People have to either wait a year at least for some crappy quality DVDs to come out (blu-rays seem to be dying out for UK anime), or resort to piracy.

I don't support piracy, but when there isn't a legal alternative provided in a timely and fair fashion, then piracy will thrive.
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Damn I'm in New Zealand so will get to see absolutely none of those shows.

Guess I'll have to scope out other sites.
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