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We're now in the final days of the CR Picks: Best Character 2018!



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I thought we were getting an Oregairu spinoff, in an alternate universe where they added boobs to Totsuka Saika.

The manga is pretty amusing outside of the girl having huge boobs
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I'm gonna seriously die laughing if somehow the final comes down to Rin and Nadeshiko Relaxing yuri camping would just automatically win the year then, right?



In other news, the UN is attempting to go after loli and shota material... 1. The UN still takes itself seriously? 2. Hasn't Japan told the UN to basically screw off before in regards to their manga/anime industry? 3. Does the UN seriously think that they'll be able to police loli/shota material on the scale which it exists? And why focus on it when real kids are being hurt elsewhere? Probably because they'd actually have to do something to stop the abuse of real children, most likely
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I'm gonna seriously die laughing if somehow the final comes down to Rin and Nadeshiko Relaxing yuri camping would just automatically win the year then, right?



In other news, the UN is attempting to go after loli and shota material... 1. The UN still takes itself seriously? 2. Hasn't Japan told the UN to basically screw off before in regards to their manga/anime industry? 3. Does the UN seriously think that they'll be able to police loli/shota material on the scale which it exists? And why focus on it when real kids are being hurt elsewhere? Probably because they'd actually have to do something to stop the abuse of real children, most likely


I hope Japan doesn't give in.

I don't normally like loli and shota stuff with a few exceptions, however, on principle I still am against policing it.

Real life pedo stuff has a very good reason to be punished as it is. By consuming it, you create a demand for it. You create a demand for something which the supply portion of the deal involves harming actual real life children.

The supply of anime and manga is just ideas. Starting to police the depiction of ideas is a very slippery slope and would be sending us backwards. If you can justify banning the depiction of this, you can justify banning the depiction of anything.
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I'm gonna seriously die laughing if somehow the final comes down to Rin and Nadeshiko Relaxing yuri camping would just automatically win the year then, right?


As funny as that would be, I'd rather not have 2 years in a row where the finalists are from the same show...

I was worried it would happen again with Mai and Sakuta, but Sakuta's already out.


In other news, the UN is attempting to go after loli and shota material... 1. The UN still takes itself seriously? 2. Hasn't Japan told the UN to basically screw off before in regards to their manga/anime industry? 3. Does the UN seriously think that they'll be able to police loli/shota material on the scale which it exists? And why focus on it when real kids are being hurt elsewhere? Probably because they'd actually have to do something to stop the abuse of real children, most likely


They're most likely the kind of people who believe video games make people violent. I doubt something like this will be taken seriously enough to actually pass in the UN.
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It is like people do not understand how individuals can distinguish between actual children and at worst overly idealized fantastical fictional depictions. Honestly...75% of grown anime females look so little like actual females if one does a side to side comparison. With children, the similarities are essentially nonexistent, and bank on the stereotype concepts of innocence to draw a "similar" allure at worst.

The argument of future predatory incitement is faulty. In his essay Guns, Stephen King covers his decision on why he took his novel Rage out of print, and stated that he never apologized or would apologize for publishing it, as his novel did not turn some readers into the powder kegs they were; they were merely an associated spark, and while he does not apologize, he does acknowledge what he believes is our general responsibility to minimize such things of our own volition. (If you wonder why I cite this so much, King has written an excellent piece of the power creators have in the first part, from the ideas they can disseminate and how to engage the audience. Rage just so happened to be written during his high school years. The latter half concerns gun politics that are of tangential issue.)

Then, there is the idea that anything can be an incitement, which would blanket many other media. At this point, we are merely persecuting a fetish that made us uncomfortable, not punishing people who hurt children, and the idea itself is a crusade turned hideous inquisition.



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jcal94 wrote:

I'm gonna seriously die laughing if somehow the final comes down to Rin and Nadeshiko Relaxing yuri camping would just automatically win the year then, right?


As funny as that would be, I'd rather not have 2 years in a row where the finalists are from the same show...

I was worried it would happen again with Mai and Sakuta, but Sakuta's already out.


In other news, the UN is attempting to go after loli and shota material... 1. The UN still takes itself seriously? 2. Hasn't Japan told the UN to basically screw off before in regards to their manga/anime industry? 3. Does the UN seriously think that they'll be able to police loli/shota material on the scale which it exists? And why focus on it when real kids are being hurt elsewhere? Probably because they'd actually have to do something to stop the abuse of real children, most likely


They're most likely the kind of people who believe video games make people violent. I doubt something like this will be taken seriously enough to actually pass in the UN.


*Posts the white house violence in video game montage*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C_IBSuXIoo

I feel so ashamed to be an American.
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*Posts the white house violence in video game montage*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C_IBSuXIoo

I feel so ashamed to be an American.


I'm amazed at how this is a real thing. It's such a random thing to see the White House's official channel uploading. No announcements. No commentary. Just a short montage.
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The first Harry Potter movie was comparable to the book. 2 and 3 though, if you’ve read the books they really seem gutted. Like so much cut out.
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*Posts the white house violence in video game montage*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C_IBSuXIoo

I feel so ashamed to be an American.


I definitely feel like the violence in video games thing needs to be addressed, but not the way it is being done. The violence won't make the majority of the audience want to commit violent acts, plain and simple. What needs to be addressed is how a lot of this super graphic violence is basically peddled to kids. Sure, we have ratings, but if anyone believes little 10 year old Tommy isn't gonna be playing Call of Duty because of that M, they're dead wrong. It's the same with sexual content, and even the same with loli/shota content. There should be no regulation, but there should be meaningful discussion about when the appropriate time to let children be exposed to this stuff is, and how to properly discuss the topics with them.

Like, to get M-rated games before I was 17, I'd have to do some research online about why that game was rated M, and then make a case to my parents about why it was rated M and how I could maturely handle it. The big stand-out I did that with was Borderlands 1. I explained that yes, there's gratuitous violence, but you are also basically a mercenary treasure hunter on a lawless world full of psychotic people, and the only people you are attacking are violent psychopaths, with no option to harm innocent civilians (so, no GTA do whatever you want stuff). I basically had to frame it, and it helped my parents understand I could play it and process it. The only real exception to this rule was Call of Duty, simply because I have a fair number of veterans in my family tree, and my dad's a history buff, so I already knew the brutality of war by the time I was 13, so my parents didn't really worry much about that one.

Basically: parents, be parents, and quit relying on the government and boards of idiots to raise your kids. Leave my lolis and games alone
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Just finished watching Hereditary... so can't go to bed yet. Because dang.

I think I'll try the company of a happier demon lord:



And since I need to get myself into a more frivolous mood to counter the ridiculously scary thing I just watched:


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I feel so ashamed to be an American.

Allow me to fix that. (Oh, it's even here already.)

About the UN I have nothing to say, but the great thing about America is that it's a plurality: the president, and even the entire government, represent it only partially. Here government officials are employees of the people; they represent us as far as their official duties go, but that's it. All Might's punch works because America is a lot more than the current administration. God the featured video on The White House's page sounds so stupid, but as far as America goes, Trump doesn't have much more claim on it than I do.

EDIT: and oh — the video game thing. That old thread pretty much sums up my opinion. It's more complicated than either of the "sides" thinks, but the science side has got it right.
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I remember following that. General Discussion was actually what brought me in to this community. While mostly just as an observer, I was curious what color anime viewers might bring to other topics. Now it has been thrown in the closet to protect the anime safe space.


Anyways.


In short, as scientists, we need to be careful that we do not blur the line between our scientific results and our scientific conjecture.


This has stuck with me more than any part of it though. It's an idea that from either agenda or selfish repute, people of almost all walks of life can seem to forget or ignore. Science should sit at the top of criticism by its very nature. Conjecture should promote science before enactment.

This "violence" video is unlisted now. I can only hope that it always was and used as reference in a responsible article. A video with so little context for the games and how they're designed or marketed lends otherwise though. This clip of a bullet going through a cgi brain case should have about as much value for entertaining thoughts of violent excitement as it does performing an autopsy.
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Just finished watching Hereditary... so can't go to bed yet. Because dang.

I think I'll try the company of a happier demon lord:



And since I need to get myself into a more frivolous mood to counter the ridiculously scary thing I just watched:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I feel so ashamed to be an American.

Allow me to fix that. (Oh, it's even here already.)

About the UN I have nothing to say, but the great thing about America is that it's a plurality: the president, and even the entire government, represent it only partially. Here government officials are employees of the people; they represent us as far as their official duties go, but that's it. All Might's punch works because America is a lot more than the current administration. God the featured video on The White House's page sounds so stupid, but as far as America goes, Trump doesn't have much more claim on it than I do.

EDIT: and oh — the video game thing. That old thread pretty much sums up my opinion. It's more complicated than either of the "sides" thinks, but the science side has got it right.


Would Gabriel Dropout suffice?




I watched Heriditary last month. Man, did I not expect...



One individual, in particular, had made me ashamed to be an American, and my obsession with being adored and or accepted has driven me mad at times since he believes me to be a fool. Not that it is not true for I am a fool, but at any time talks of the current administration crops up, he discusses the presidency as if every U.S. citizen in the server has a great hand in influencing the government. Being that I crave nourishment for my self-esteem more than actual food, I have been pretty down lately.



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I remember following that. General Discussion was actually what brought me in to this community. While mostly just as an observer, I was curious what color anime viewers might bring to other topics. Now it has been thrown in the closet to protect the anime safe space.


Anyways.


In short, as scientists, we need to be careful that we do not blur the line between our scientific results and our scientific conjecture.


This has stuck with me more than any part of it though. It's an idea that from either agenda or selfish repute, people of almost all walks of life can seem to forget or ignore. Science should sit at the top of criticism by its very nature. Conjecture should promote science before enactment.

This "violence" video is unlisted now. I can only hope that it always was and used as reference in a responsible article. A video with so little context for the games and how they're designed or marketed lends otherwise though. This clip of a bullet going through a cgi brain case should have about as much value for entertaining thoughts of violent excitement as it does performing an autopsy.


It was displayed in a meeting regarding video game violence after another mass shooting by the current administration. If you click on the channel, it is the Official White House youtube channel.

The scientific research holds that media certainly influences us to one end or another. That's simply what media does to its viewer as an external stimulus causing us to react, particularly something as involved as video games, and some individuals are simply more susceptible to one end to a greater intensity, as Aurora and Judar mentioned in their sources, and it is not as if that is not important, especially regarding youth. The idea of neuroplasticity in youth should very much be studied, and many solutions have been implemented. In a hospital I once worked for a short time, protocol limited the types of media certain children can be exposed to. Specifically, those known for outbursts of violence.

My criticism was specifically aimed at this pathetic scapegoat by the current administration. One could argue games function as an associated spark, but not the means by which the fuel was spilled and the powder keg placed, and with the field of psychology, there hardly ever is "ONE CAUSE"; some are certainly more major than others, but trying to link one major behavior to one major past event as a direct causal relationship is absolutely bonkers for most individuals.

General discussion used to be a fun place, where in my late adolescence I posted many, many, many threads on my adoration of little sisters and developed a reputation for being a imoutocon. I met many wonderful individuals, from the wonderfully kind and intelligent BlueOni, the tolerant and witty PrinceJudar, Auroraloose, and...well, there was a fourth or fifth, by they have been lost to time.

If you were talking of the movement to miscellaneous, the idea was that the title was both more fitting, and was more of a means to take it off the front page of the website, off the "recent discussion" bar. I ventured a few times there these days, but I am still visibly disturbed by one thread in particular that shifted me to only reading Anime Discussion.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-1004715/boy-jumps-off-bridge-kills-woman-instead

I have seen many disturbing images in my offline life. I was not raised in a place meant for raising a child. I do not consider myself desensitized, just overtly aware of the raw side of life, so not much does take me by surprise. This thread was the final straw, or would be if said straw weight as much as a brick.

How can anyone, especially those claiming to be parents, just...it is not just mindbogglingly, it is heartbreaking. I thought at the very least, people would have standards, but...I see the aforementioned BlueOni and PrinceJudar and Auroraloose are the minority in this world.

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I think if I knew Japanese I'd pay more attention to episode titles. I remember a list of Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko episodes and they had an almost poetic flair, but another list of the same episodes could read as dull as a log.

Seems like something where there's a lot of potential for charm but that doesn't always translate.

Although from this I've gathered the kanji for phoenix can mean undead butterfly? Which is cool. Not quite sure how literal that is either, but the essence of an undying cycle involving a form of metamorphosis sounds like a clever fit.

Edit: Breaking it down in Google translate it selling me: Stand, Immortal Butterfly.

Edit: Temporary Surface becomes Mask, and Statement White becomes Confession. Kanji are neat!

Butterfly and a certain reading of the kanji for bird are homonyms. A lot of Japanese words are.
蝶 butterfly (Chou)
鳥 bird (tori, CHOU)
不死鳥 immortal bird, Phoenix. (Fushichou)

不死蝶起つ, is there some wordplay in using the butterfly kanji instead of bird or are they just that interchangeable?

PS: I've wanted to ask someone about these episode titles for a wihle. XD
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In other news, the UN is attempting to go after loli and shota material... 1. The UN still takes itself seriously? 2. Hasn't Japan told the UN to basically screw off before in regards to their manga/anime industry? 3. Does the UN seriously think that they'll be able to police loli/shota material on the scale which it exists? And why focus on it when real kids are being hurt elsewhere? Probably because they'd actually have to do something to stop the abuse of real children, most likely

I think this is the fourth year a UN committee initiative has specifically targeted the fictional sexualization of children or violence against women in Japan (in anime, manga, games, etc.). There is a possible good explanation: Japan has been lagging badly on its implementation and enforcement of laws concerning these things and real people, so in order to talk down the fictional parts they're pressured to concede on the important ones.

If that is the case it's an intelligent negotiation technique to earn key concessions where the Japanese government is dragging their feet, even if the pressure is only on the court of public opinion. If anything, the less hard power a UN committee has the better they need to leverage that kind of pressure to get anything done. However the older I get the more I see plain empty gesture politics directed towards a political base, so this could also just be emptyheaded.


The parallel that's usually gone for is gun violence in video games, but I think a clearer one might be reckless driving and road rage. People drive like maniacs in video games from Mario Kart to GTA, not to mention how it's a staple of hugely popular action films. Yet these people drive safely on their way to the supermarket or home from the movie theater, rarely even revving their engines at a stoplight. Those who don't drive safely didn't want to in the first place.

It would be absurd to ban Fast and Furious or Mad Max to combat reckless driving or road rage, arguing it encourages deviant behavior of a subset of the population who can't be trusted to be rational in the first place, because an intelligent observer knows they've watched those movies and been fine. It's just that with loli/shota/etc. it's very easy to only identify it's consumption with actual sex offenders if the observer already finds the material repugnant.


That said, when it comes to something as serious as sexual abuse (of children or otherwise) there could be strong evidence for more exceptionally stringent enforcement, just like there could be for gun ownership and how it impacts the rates of assaults and suicides. I'm at least not personally aware of such conclusive evidence, though. So if there isn't we're back to either negotiation technique or gesture politics (or simple legislated revulsion).

There could also be sampling bias; with the internet it wouldn't surprise me that most convicted sex offenders are found in possession of related hentai. But that doesn't settle the correlation or causation question; it's possible the material enables visualization, bringing them closer to actually committing a crime. It's also possible that it's a more sedative alternative, or that it differs by person. It's not clear to me how it necessarily fits into their behavior pattern.


Finally, and implied, it's a social offensive. There's definitely a correlation between Japan being more accepting of this fictional material, and more accepting of actual concerning social practices/norms; I've been led to understand Japan has a higher rate of groping and other forms of anonymous public assaults (upskirt pics, etc.) as well as compensated dating and the shadier parlors (sleeping, massage, etc.) which is part of what's "normal."

Actually trying to ban fictional material as the endgame I don't think would have much of an effect, however explicitly bringing up the discussion in a way that will be widely publicized can alter social views in general, optimally encouraging a positive shift in more important areas, not only in legislation, but in public opinion. Although my gut says if you're going to do that, you should just publicize the data on actual assaults that are harder to dismiss.


This turned into a much longer post than I anticipated.


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Yikes. Congratulations on your survival.
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