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Why were there four Boogiepop episodes yesterday?

I decided to marathon it later so I haven't been keeping up.


So they could fit all 18 episodes into one season.
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Insomnist wrote:

Why were there four Boogiepop episodes yesterday?

I decided to marathon it later so I haven't been keeping up.

So they could fit all 18 episodes into one season.

Oh that's sensible. I guess I've got a decent pile to catch up on if I don't want to wait until the end of the season then.
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I always think of the plot device of someone getting revenge for a person who deserved to die to be really weird.

The whole like “You killed my father!” “Your father killed my children!” Type of thing.

It in some sense seems to me like hating dogs because your dad was killed by the dogs he was torturing. It’s like a weird form of hypocrisy that one person somehow thinks is justified.
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I always think of the plot device of someone getting revenge for a person who deserved to die to be really weird.

The whole like “You killed my father!” “Your father killed my children!” Type of thing.

It in some sense seems to me like hating dogs because your dad was killed by the dogs he was torturing. It’s like a weird form of hypocrisy that one person somehow thinks is justified.


Humans seem to act hypocritically, and often our emotions do not correlate with a more rationalized morality, even their own. Many times, we just do not abide by our rules no matter how genuine a belief we vouch in those ethical rulings. It is not quite hypocrisy for most people like you and I, it is just human weakness.
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Oh that's sensible. I guess I've got a decent pile to catch up on if I don't want to wait until the end of the season then.


I would suggest you binge watch the arcs so you're not completely lost. Friday's episode completed the second arc and I think the 4 episodes that came out yesterday were a whole arc. So far I'm halfway through those episodes so I'm not sure about that. Either way, you've got a few points right now where you can stop if you want to finish the series after it ends.
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I said that by realistic I meant non-fantasy as you can can’t really classify anything as actually realistic since it’s usually either idealist or heavy on melodrama.

That said it’s that melodrama that I try to avoid which is why most romances don’t work for me. I also hate tsundere Kugimiya. Granted Taiga is one of the more tolerable offenders, but I’ve never recovered from Louise and Aria.

My favorite romance in an anime is probably from Grancrest, even though the anime is pretty shitty overall. My reason for this is because 1) Theo is a straight up alpha and 2) it’s not a Shojo. That is a powerful combination right there. Shojos ruin alpha males and normally non Shojo things have either a borderline autistic protagonist or a straight up beta. It’s extremely rare to get an alpha protagonist in a non shojo.


Yeah, I understood. I was just having fun with the romance/slice of life and death genres idea.

As for Kugimiya roles, I'll agree. They were mostly intolerable, but ToraDora becomes something really enjoyable and about the only show with her coming to mind right now with the actual focus being romance. Oh, man. Looks like she's going to be the director desired super tsundere in Yu-No later this year.


I'm hesitant to jump into Grancrest because of its other themes and low grade. I think I understand your apprehension, but really, I appreciate seeing a couple grow together as long as at least one of them is motivated. Many stories when love is realized will have its characters lose themselves all for love though, and that is weak.
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I said that by realistic I meant non-fantasy as you can can’t really classify anything as actually realistic since it’s usually either idealist or heavy on melodrama.

That said it’s that melodrama that I try to avoid which is why most romances don’t work for me. I also hate tsundere Kugimiya. Granted Taiga is one of the more tolerable offenders, but I’ve never recovered from Louise and Aria.

My favorite romance in an anime is probably from Grancrest, even though the anime is pretty shitty overall. My reason for this is because 1) Theo is a straight up alpha and 2) it’s not a Shojo. That is a powerful combination right there. Shojos ruin alpha males and normally non Shojo things have either a borderline autistic protagonist or a straight up beta. It’s extremely rare to get an alpha protagonist in a non shojo.


Yeah, I understood. I was just having fun with the romance/slice of life and death genres idea.

As for Kugimiya roles, I'll agree. They were mostly intolerable, but ToraDora becomes something really enjoyable and about the only show with her coming to mind right now with the actual focus being romance. Oh, man. Looks like she's going to be the director desired super tsundere in Yu-No later this year.


I'm hesitant to jump into Grancrest because of its other themes and low grade. I think I understand your apprehension, but really, I appreciate seeing a couple grow together as long as at least one of them is motivated. Many stories when love is realized will have its characters lose themselves all for love though, and that is weak.


Grancrest’s strength is it has a lot of good characters. It’s primary weakness is that the pacing is extremely out of wack. I can’t say it’s a good anime because it’s very very rough, but I do respect it. I respect it because it has a lot of originality despite its problems. I also respect it in that it had a controversial sex scene that didn’t involve rape. It was between two of the enemy characters. It was unnerving but it wasn’t in bad taste which is something that I’d never thought I’d say about a sex scene.

To put it another way, the story has a lot of potential but to realize it would probably take more resources than it could hope to recover,
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xxJing wrote:

I always think of the plot device of someone getting revenge for a person who deserved to die to be really weird.

The whole like “You killed my father!” “Your father killed my children!” Type of thing.

It in some sense seems to me like hating dogs because your dad was killed by the dogs he was torturing. It’s like a weird form of hypocrisy that one person somehow thinks is justified.

To be fair it took humans a long ass time to phase out the whole blood feuds being perfectly acceptable thing.

It's a really understandable reflex to justify family and lash out at the stranger. Kin selection, etc.


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I would suggest you binge watch the arcs so you're not completely lost. Friday's episode completed the second arc and I think the 4 episodes that came out yesterday were a whole arc. So far I'm halfway through those episodes so I'm not sure about that. Either way, you've got a few points right now where you can stop if you want to finish the series after it ends.

I was honestly looking forward to having weeks between episodes to chew on everything that was happening, but they kinda dumbed stuff down from Phantom so in the 5-6 episodes I watched there wasn't much to actually theorize about, they'd either already info-dumped on it thoroughly or you just had nothing to go on at all so there was no point.

So I got dejected and put it on the back burner to marathon later for completeness's sake.

Edit: Also any time I try and type Boogiepop fast I type Boogiepope and then stare at it.
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I’m rewatching Alison and Lilia. I have to say, while it’s not the best anime out there I really love simple classic stories like this.

I respect novelty but I also respect a good grasp of the basics. Stories like this are maybe not super interesting or thrilling, but they are very immersive. I can forgive bad pacing and other things that break my suspension of disbelief if the ideas are intriguing though.

I think I’ll watch kinos journey 2003 after this. I think it’s on hidive
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I’m rewatching Alison and Lilia. I have to say, while it’s not the best anime out there I really love simple classic stories like this.

I respect novelty but I also respect a good grasp of the basics. Stories like this are maybe not super interesting or thrilling, but they are very immersive. I can forgive bad pacing and other things that break my suspension of disbelief if the ideas are intriguing though.

I think I’ll watch kinos journey 2003 after this. I think it’s on hidive


I like the idea of Kino's Journey . The idea of traveling to off far regions with foreign cultures abiding by a different set of rules governed by different beliefs is interesting. Best of all, it isn't necessarily cultures completely stepped in realism, but of more fantastical ideals abridged in one fictional microcosm of "What if". It explores ideas and circumstances that aren't possible in some senses of the word bit nonetheless pertinent to our world.

That being said, I ended up disliking the series. Kino's tolerance comes off as apathy, and she doesn't so much participate and engage with these cultures as she does watch.

The tourist spectates, and the traveler does. Kino's being as passive as she was may have worked, but considering how horrible some of the places are, it is simply grating if not completely reducing her to a nonperson.



The series would have been much richer if Kino simply asked the hard questions, but it was mostly swept under.

OT: I began Asobi Workshop. Where was this show all my life?
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xxJing wrote:

I’m rewatching Alison and Lilia. I have to say, while it’s not the best anime out there I really love simple classic stories like this.

I respect novelty but I also respect a good grasp of the basics. Stories like this are maybe not super interesting or thrilling, but they are very immersive. I can forgive bad pacing and other things that break my suspension of disbelief if the ideas are intriguing though.

I think I’ll watch kinos journey 2003 after this. I think it’s on hidive


I like the idea of Kino's Journey . The idea of traveling to off far regions with foreign cultures abiding by a different set of rules governed by different beliefs is interesting. Best of all, it isn't necessarily cultures completely stepped in realism, but of more fantastical ideals abridged in one fictional microcosm of "What if". It explores ideas and circumstances that aren't possible in some senses of the word bit nonetheless pertinent to our world.

That being said, I ended up disliking the series. Kino's tolerance comes off as apathy, and she doesn't so much participate and engage with these cultures as she does watch.

The tourist spectates, and the traveler does. Kino's being as passive as she was may have worked, but considering how horrible some of the places are, it is simply grating if not completely reducing her to a nonperson.



The series would have been much richer if Kino simply asked the hard questions, but it was mostly swept under.

OT: I began Asobi Workshop. Where was this show all my life?


Alison and Lilia had something a little similar. For instance Alison’s dad was willing to let an entire train full of people die just to kill this one guy (allison’s Dad is a govt agent) but he didn’t only because it happened that Alison was on the train. He still killed an innocent conductor though and it never brings up as to whether or not it was a moral decision. The fact was that even if he killed the entire train of innocent people, things ended up with less people dying because the guy he wanted dead was a weapons dealer that could have incited war.

Sigzawa or whatever his name is likes to write stories with a utilitarian point of view as far as morality goes. He always balances it out though by putting in characters that act more subjectively. Like in Alison and Lilia, Treize has a more typical moral compass where his emotions directed his actions. In kino’s journey the guy with the dog tends to interfere in the issues of the towns he visits, where in contrast, kino doesn’t interfere, even if that means that she’s essentially allowing hitler to gas Jews.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


xxJing wrote:

I’m rewatching Alison and Lilia. I have to say, while it’s not the best anime out there I really love simple classic stories like this.

I respect novelty but I also respect a good grasp of the basics. Stories like this are maybe not super interesting or thrilling, but they are very immersive. I can forgive bad pacing and other things that break my suspension of disbelief if the ideas are intriguing though.

I think I’ll watch kinos journey 2003 after this. I think it’s on hidive


I like the idea of Kino's Journey . The idea of traveling to off far regions with foreign cultures abiding by a different set of rules governed by different beliefs is interesting. Best of all, it isn't necessarily cultures completely stepped in realism, but of more fantastical ideals abridged in one fictional microcosm of "What if". It explores ideas and circumstances that aren't possible in some senses of the word bit nonetheless pertinent to our world.

That being said, I ended up disliking the series. Kino's tolerance comes off as apathy, and she doesn't so much participate and engage with these cultures as she does watch.

The tourist spectates, and the traveler does. Kino's being as passive as she was may have worked, but considering how horrible some of the places are, it is simply grating if not completely reducing her to a nonperson.



The series would have been much richer if Kino simply asked the hard questions, but it was mostly swept under.

OT: I began Asobi Workshop. Where was this show all my life?


Alison and Lilia had something a little similar. For instance Alison’s dad was willing to let an entire train full of people die just to kill this one guy (allison’s Dad is a govt agent) but he didn’t only because it happened that Alison was on the train. He still killed an innocent conductor though and it never brings up as to whether or not it was a moral decision. The fact was that even if he killed the entire train of innocent people, things ended up with less people dying because the guy he wanted dead was a weapons dealer that could have incited war.

Sigzawa or whatever his name is likes to write stories with a utilitarian point of view as far as morality goes. He always balances it out though by putting in characters that act more subjectively. Like in Alison and Lilia, Treize has a more typical moral compass where his emotions directed his actions. In kino’s journey the guy with the dog tends to interfere in the issues of the towns he visits, where in contrast, kino doesn’t interfere, even if that means that she’s essentially allowing hitler to gas Jews.


I actually added on to the spoiler, as I thought the episode was very much interesting, but it was a contentious point to me as a narrative device, Kino is/was. Kino felt like a wasted opportunity for a perfectly excusable audience surrogate.

In horror movies, we often become flabberghasted and fatigued whenever a character doomed to die makes a completely illogical decision despite recent events and common sense dictating otherwise. With Kino, her viewpoints definitely felt more in line with the audience, but it only made it so much more frustrating to hear her think but not speak.

She may have been capable of stopping it, but depending on the purpose, this seems egocentric on behalf of individuals like me; morality is a topic of discussion due to its agreed upon subjectivity within the veins of overall logic. Why should Kino go around repeating verbatim the audience's beliefs, when it holds as much weight as our own? It would be obnoxious.

Not that I wasn't outraged by this lackluster display, but I sort of understand what Sigsawa may have been going for...I think. However, simply having opposing beliefs don't necessarily predicate a lack of tolerance, and thus by no means states that Kino must not voice her own views on the matter. For me, the show would have been richer if Kino simply spoke up more to ask questions, and in my ideal compromise, that episode would have ended with Kino being a bit more tearful and heartbroken for all sides in the conflict.

Though the idea of exploring concepts in a way reminds me of certain fantasy and science fiction novels, such as Ursula K Leguin's The City of Omelas, so I am hesitant to say the series is awful; I just disliked it.





Though I never heard of that series. Would you recommend?

OT: The more I read of Ursula LeGuin's novelography, the sadder I am that she passed away last year. She truly was among the most gifted writers of our time and before. Sadly, her work was also adapted into Tales from Earthsea.
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xxJing wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


xxJing wrote:

I’m rewatching Alison and Lilia. I have to say, while it’s not the best anime out there I really love simple classic stories like this.

I respect novelty but I also respect a good grasp of the basics. Stories like this are maybe not super interesting or thrilling, but they are very immersive. I can forgive bad pacing and other things that break my suspension of disbelief if the ideas are intriguing though.

I think I’ll watch kinos journey 2003 after this. I think it’s on hidive


I like the idea of Kino's Journey . The idea of traveling to off far regions with foreign cultures abiding by a different set of rules governed by different beliefs is interesting. Best of all, it isn't necessarily cultures completely stepped in realism, but of more fantastical ideals abridged in one fictional microcosm of "What if". It explores ideas and circumstances that aren't possible in some senses of the word bit nonetheless pertinent to our world.

That being said, I ended up disliking the series. Kino's tolerance comes off as apathy, and she doesn't so much participate and engage with these cultures as she does watch.

The tourist spectates, and the traveler does. Kino's being as passive as she was may have worked, but considering how horrible some of the places are, it is simply grating if not completely reducing her to a nonperson.



The series would have been much richer if Kino simply asked the hard questions, but it was mostly swept under.

OT: I began Asobi Workshop. Where was this show all my life?


Alison and Lilia had something a little similar. For instance Alison’s dad was willing to let an entire train full of people die just to kill this one guy (allison’s Dad is a govt agent) but he didn’t only because it happened that Alison was on the train. He still killed an innocent conductor though and it never brings up as to whether or not it was a moral decision. The fact was that even if he killed the entire train of innocent people, things ended up with less people dying because the guy he wanted dead was a weapons dealer that could have incited war.

Sigzawa or whatever his name is likes to write stories with a utilitarian point of view as far as morality goes. He always balances it out though by putting in characters that act more subjectively. Like in Alison and Lilia, Treize has a more typical moral compass where his emotions directed his actions. In kino’s journey the guy with the dog tends to interfere in the issues of the towns he visits, where in contrast, kino doesn’t interfere, even if that means that she’s essentially allowing hitler to gas Jews.


I actually added on to the spoiler, as I thought the episode was very much interesting, but it was a contentious point to me as a narrative device, Kino is/was. Kino felt like a wasted opportunity for a perfectly excusable audience surrogate.

In horror movies, we often become flabberghasted and fatigued whenever a character doomed to die makes a completely illogical decision despite recent events and common sense dictating otherwise. With Kino, her viewpoints definitely felt more in line with the audience, but it only made it so much more frustrating to hear her think but not speak.

She may have been capable of stopping it, but depending on the purpose, this seems egocentric on behalf of individuals like me; morality is a topic of discussion due to its agreed upon subjectivity within the veins of overall logic. Why should Kino go around repeating verbatim the audience's beliefs, when it holds as much weight as our own? It would be obnoxious.

Not that I wasn't outraged by this lackluster display, but I sort of understand what Sigsawa may have been going for...I think. However, simply having opposing beliefs don't necessarily predicate a lack of tolerance, and thus by no means states that Kino must not voice her own views on the matter. For me, the show would have been richer if Kino simply spoke up more to ask questions, and in my ideal compromise, that episode would have ended with Kino being a bit more tearful and heartbroken for all sides in the conflict.

Though the idea of exploring concepts in a way reminds me of certain fantasy and science fiction novels, such as Ursula K Leguin's The City of Omelas, so I am hesitant to say the series is awful; I just disliked it.





Though I never heard of that series. Would you recommend?


I actually liked Cross Ange and it was a lot like that


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