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They finally fixed the error preventing us from making thread, hurrah!!!
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I recently started looking through The Idolmaster anime we've got floating around, and while I'm enjoying the characters a lot there's so many of them that it's kind of hard to get particularly deep into any of them in particular as people. Also checked out Shield Hero, and it's pretty great.


Where the heck were you, Blue-chan? I was worried sick! Were you sick? Was it the flu that kept you down? Darn flu, I will kill the freaking flu! *Sobs uncontrollably as he rushes into your arms and cries into your chest




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I hope life has been treating you well, friend. I missed you dearly.


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CERN does an AMA.

The top question is what they think of Steins;Gate lol.


So wait, CERN exists? The dystopian future is already almost here.
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Boogiepop & Others OP has such a good song. The visuals seem random at best though, I don't get the directing.


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I like the idea of Kino's Journey . The idea of traveling to off far regions with foreign cultures abiding by a different set of rules governed by different beliefs is interesting. Best of all, it isn't necessarily cultures completely stepped in realism, but of more fantastical ideals abridged in one fictional microcosm of "What if". It explores ideas and circumstances that aren't possible in some senses of the word bit nonetheless pertinent to our world.

That being said, I ended up disliking the series. Kino's tolerance comes off as apathy, and she doesn't so much participate and engage with these cultures as she does watch.

The tourist spectates, and the traveler does. Kino's being as passive as she was may have worked, but considering how horrible some of the places are, it is simply grating if not completely reducing her to a nonperson.



The series would have been much richer if Kino simply asked the hard questions, but it was mostly swept under.

OT: I began Asobi Workshop. Where was this show all my life?

I appreciated that as a series it didn't pretend like one Hollywood hotshot with two pistols and a talking motorcycle could roll in and change any society in half an hour with a commercial break. Not about that being right or wrong, but having the focus be on taking everything in rather than jumping to interventionism and "making the world right."

The one time she did they at least had the sense to make it take a full hour. XD

Plus if the story "fixes" its own thought experiment then there's nothing for the audience to think about.

That's just echo-chambering, you either accept or reject but it doesn't encourage you to think.

While Kino follows a philosophy many of the stories prompt questions of it in some way.

Then there was The Tower special episode where Kino did roll in and moralize her socks off for half an hour and it completely saps any ability for the scenario to have any depth or be thought provoking at all (imo) because Kino spent the whole screen time shooting her mouth off instead of there being any inclination to do any evocative world building.

It was a fantastic way to immediately knee-cap my high after finishing the TV series though I guess.

Edit: This post is kinda interventionist lol.


MAN, it has been 15 days. Where was I? Oh yes, dying from work.

I did appreciate that, as first and foremost, I figured any of the locals would not take too kindly to Kino proactively trying to change their society. While it would be the morally commendable thing to do, entire societies do not work like that, and much less so with outsiders attempting to foist their views on others. Culture is both static and dynamic, a multifaceted and multi-individualized endeavor. That is not going to change overnight.

Yet, I wouldn't say it is shallow to voice an opinion, nor would it destroy the thought experiment. After all, Kino is in many ways a passive audience surrogate, possessing a general sense of ethics that you and I likely have, and this trait would allow her to play that role, because she would at the very least be able to start an onscreen discussion with this person or that, or to ruminate on thoughts sitting on the periphery of our moral vision, so to speak. Kill me now

When I say she doesn't do much of anything, she doesn't even engage these people with her own moral beliefs, and to me, that is an utter waste of a good premise.

Moreover, I possibly disagree with your definition (Or Criteria) of the term "Echo-chamber", to reference back to the idea that everything is propoganda, because every work of fiction has a part of it imparted by the creator, one thing subjected to a billion interpretations of what the author is actually saying versus what we actually believe. This by extension of its nature would render everything an echo-chamber, as by nature creators will place their beliefs within the narrative, and a narrative that in the end would support those beliefs.

The very inclusion of a moral claim or any claim within a creative work actually does little to dissuade individuals from thinking any more than any more than a discussion with someone with opposing beliefs. Artists may take refuge in their work to believe what they do without consequence, but people are also stubborn enough to seek out those echo-chambers as they would to criticize them from their own beliefs mired in self-aggrandized circle jerking.

Whether or not people choose to think is of their own volition, and merely claiming something is not only inherent within these types of work if not all, but also the impetus for thought itself. It is an indirect discussion, to whom we can accept or reject its conclusion as our own. But it doesn't take away the capacity for thinking.

An example would be the political manifestos I read. I ended up disagreeing with them, unsurprisingly, yet being exposed to the arguments, the claims, and most importantly the factual world view that others hold has caused me to examine the strength of my arguments and the veracity of my own truths. Many of them were disgustingly narrow-minded reads (In my view), and I could have choen to accept them or opposed them without questionm and perhaps I did.

Yet, I wouldn't say that these books discourages thinking on the reader's behalf, just the author's.

In this way, your post here disagrees with mine, but I wouldn't stoop so low as to say it isn't thought provoking not because it has a claim, but precisely because it claims something I am not entirely in agreement with. I think that is rather valuable.

To which I am not too sure I know your definition of the term "echo chamber", and more importantly your criteria for such.

That being said, I also do not know what you mean by interventionist, as it seems to be critical of either of us that we bothered to say something at all. Morality and ethics is a universal thing, applicable to some circumstances and not others but without regards to what is considered relevant in those situational claims. It is by nature an imperialistic, interventionist thing, and I do not think either of us is wrong in both possessing an opinion and saying it. Isn't that what morality sort of is?

That being said, I would not like if the series was basically a lecture, as you described one episode. We get and give plenty of lectures. Exploration and discussion are a rarity.

Though perhaps I got the series wrong, when you stated that Kino's philosophy was questioned, I was actually going to cover that aspect as part of what makes a good audience surrogate. Maybe I expected more of the story based on my own wishes.
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After watching the first series, though it’s been a while now, Kino is actually quite human from what I’ve seen. She just values her own life a bit more than doing the right thing, which is also a very human path.

She helped three starving guys out in episode two while contemplating whether their lives were really worth the lives of the rabbits she killed, but she eventually realized she would prefer it if someone helped her when she was in need. Granted she killed them when they betrayed her, but she still tried to help them.

During the episode where you have the two advanced societies purging on the natives. She showed discomfort toward what was happening, she even posed a few moral questions to the women, to which the women replied “Less people die this way, and it can’t be our people who die for this to work.” It’s a very egotistical thing to say and morally fucked up because it’s essentially the equivalent of saying you can rape second class citizens and it’s justified by first class citizens not becoming the victims of rapist. Despite being very aware of that though, Kino doesn’t say anything not because it’s not her place, but because she knows that trying to change anything has a high risk of costing her her own life. She even frequently quotes her master saying “the secret to a good journey is not getting yourself killed.”

I think the message the of the story is more “you can change somethings but other things you can’t, choose your battles wisely.” Because as much non interfering as Kino does, she does interfere a few times, sometimes it’s for the better like the coliseum town, and sometimes it’s for the worse like the slavetraders. It’s more that she simply chooses the battles she thinks she has a high chance of winning, and regretfully declines those that have bad odds.
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After watching the first series, though it’s been a while now, Kino is actually quite human from what I’ve seen. She just values her own life a bit more than doing the right thing, which is also a very human path.

She helped three starving guys out in episode two while contemplating whether their lives were really worth the lives of the rabbits she killed, but she eventually realized she would prefer it if someone helped her when she was in need. Granted she killed them when they betrayed her, but she still tried to help them.

During the episode where you have the two advanced societies purging on the natives. She showed discomfort toward what was happening, she even posed a few moral questions to the women, to which the women replied “Less people die this way, and it can’t be our people who die for this to work.” It’s a very egotistical thing to say and morally fucked up because it’s essentially the equivalent of saying you can rape second class citizens and it’s justified by first class citizens not becoming the victims of rapist. Despite being very aware of that though, Kino doesn’t say anything not because it’s not her place, but because she knows that trying to change anything has a high risk of costing her her own life. She even frequently quotes her master saying “the secret to a good journey is not getting yourself killed.”

I think the message the of the story is more “you can change somethings but other things you can’t, choose your battles wisely.” Because as much non interfering as Kino does, she does interfere a few times, sometimes it’s for the better like the coliseum town, and sometimes it’s for the worse like the slavetraders. It’s more that she simply chooses the battles she thinks she has a high chance of winning, and regretfully declines those that have bad odds.


I likely expected something different given the premise, so you are correct.

I taken that the societies were to be portrayed as idealistic to be set up for a twist and that the moral dilemma was how truthful the native's claims were and if this was the only solution. I viewed it recently during the time when I began thinking slightly more intensely about the nature of humans, so my interpretation of what it was trying to say was viewed within my own wishful paradigm.

Word of the day is paradigm!

This isn't me being fancy, but it has been my go to term for "Personal perspective based on our views and whatnot: since I read it in a self help book I was forced to read in school.


OT: I never watched Psycho-Pass. Is it any good?

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xxJing wrote:



After watching the first series, though it’s been a while now, Kino is actually quite human from what I’ve seen. She just values her own life a bit more than doing the right thing, which is also a very human path.

She helped three starving guys out in episode two while contemplating whether their lives were really worth the lives of the rabbits she killed, but she eventually realized she would prefer it if someone helped her when she was in need. Granted she killed them when they betrayed her, but she still tried to help them.

During the episode where you have the two advanced societies purging on the natives. She showed discomfort toward what was happening, she even posed a few moral questions to the women, to which the women replied “Less people die this way, and it can’t be our people who die for this to work.” It’s a very egotistical thing to say and morally fucked up because it’s essentially the equivalent of saying you can rape second class citizens and it’s justified by first class citizens not becoming the victims of rapist. Despite being very aware of that though, Kino doesn’t say anything not because it’s not her place, but because she knows that trying to change anything has a high risk of costing her her own life. She even frequently quotes her master saying “the secret to a good journey is not getting yourself killed.”

I think the message the of the story is more “you can change somethings but other things you can’t, choose your battles wisely.” Because as much non interfering as Kino does, she does interfere a few times, sometimes it’s for the better like the coliseum town, and sometimes it’s for the worse like the slavetraders. It’s more that she simply chooses the battles she thinks she has a high chance of winning, and regretfully declines those that have bad odds.


I likely expected something different given the premise, so you are correct.

I taken that the societies were to be portrayed as idealistic to be set up for a twist and that the moral dilemma was how truthful the native's claims were and if this was the only solution. I viewed it recently during the time when I began thinking slightly more intensely about the nature of humans, so my interpretation of what it was trying to say was viewed within my own wishful paradigm.

Word of the day is paradigm!

This isn't me being fancy, but it has been my go to term for "Personal perspective based on our views and whatnot: since I read it in a self help book I was forced to read in school.


OT: I never watched Psycho-Pass. Is it any good?



First season is really good imo, second and movie are meh.

It’s essentially about a computer policed society where like a motherbrain computer judges how likely people are to become criminals based on their stress levels. Cops are given these guns that only shoot people who are deemed to be criminal enough. It’s kind of a fucked up society since victims can rarely be rescued, as the trauma of having a crime committed against you is enough to raise your stress levels to that of becoming a potential criminal.

If I had to explain it simply it’s like Monster in a sci-fi setting.

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I think it just comes down to how the series intentionally forms the experience it outlines for an audience in order to leave behind a persistent question in an at least partially unresolved state to provoke the viewer's own thoughts.

The first season of Psycho-Pass is quite good.

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So this marks the posthumous birthday of Albert Einstein, and on a relative note - it's Pi day! Unfortunately not founded in 1592, the honor went to a physicist named Larry Shaw in 1988.

π became well known by one of mankind's earliest peripheral visionaries, Archimedes, with a name like περιφέρεια meaning periphery. A brief search hasn't concluded in him having any obsession for little sisters however.



As an irrational non repeating number lots of people have pushed the limits of their memory to recall as many digits as they could (and even some people making of it all.) Rajveer Meena of India is on record for 70,000 digits in just under 9 1/2 hours. I think I did 50 back in high school for some bet.

My favorite pizza is one of sausage, mushroom, and onion. My 2nd favorite pie is a fresh Dutch apple pie with optional vanilla ice cream. My first breaks the timeless debate of cake versus pie. As not only does pie offer greater variety, cheesecake is a pie!

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For a second, I thought there was a new season of The Ancient Magus Bride when I saw YouTube recommending me a 3 minute long animated preview for the current manga arc. Disappointed that it's only for the manga, but it's weird that they went through this much effort to make a preview like this for just the manga...
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For a second, I thought there was a new season of The Ancient Magus Bride when I saw YouTube recommending me a 3 minute long animated preview for the current manga arc. Disappointed that it's only for the manga, but it's weird that they went through this much effort to make a preview like this for just the manga...


While I enjoyed the series overall, the characters started to really get on my nerves as it went on. I don't think I could enjoy a new season.

Shirayuki with the Red Hair is probably the one non-CLAMP shojo that I can stomach.
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For a second, I thought there was a new season of The Ancient Magus Bride when I saw YouTube recommending me a 3 minute long animated preview for the current manga arc. Disappointed that it's only for the manga, but it's weird that they went through this much effort to make a preview like this for just the manga...

There were like two dozen new character and creature designs.

Makes me think S2 is a thing and just hasn't been announced yet, but I dunno.

Wish S1 had been a better story for Chise but I'll take more if they make it.

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Watched Windaria, at the end I just felt sorry for the big tree that had to silently put up with everybody's shit.
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Caught up on Ancient Magus Bride. Doesn't feel like they'll have enough chapters for a new season for a while.

Could see them doing a bundled OVA or something if they wanted though.
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A certain manga revealed a certain mystery in the latest chapter that I tried to figure out a few weeks ago by combing through it for the most minuscule details... and I was right. I feel kind of proud lol, it’s the first time I’ve solved something like this. Also now that I know how this author works I wonder if I’ll be able to solve other mysteries presented lol.
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