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are colleges/college campus enviroments getting more racist and intolerant
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1 year in high school for basics. 1 year as an engineer before I changed. 3.5 years for my BS in Geology. 1.5 years (final .5 coming in soon) for MS in Geology.

Uni takes time man.

Edit: I have technically graduated Uni once already. I will graduate a second time this summer.


Twas all in jest, no need to bring math into this. Good luck in school...college boy.
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Yeah, especially the racism part is pretty high up there. Ironically, racism to everyone, rather than particular race. You get the " Ew, white people f*ck them, right, the imprialist, slaver assholes, should just kill them all", on the other hand there is the attitude of "Oh <instert non white here> can't really do much for themselves, so we have to fight / get offended / lobby on their behalf." which I can't help but see as racist too.

I think we should just, erm, abolish the indoctrination classes, that is, many of the sociology fields. Gender studies, ethnic studies, all the subjects with "queer" in the title... It wouldn't solve much, but it could help. When a stupid, 18 years old idealogue comes to a university, it's good when they get facts rather than safe space and ideology reinforcement. *shrug*

I work at a fairly big universitry and thing I see sometimes make a cringe too much, I really hope this fad is going to change soon, otherwise I don't see the western civilisation surviving much sooner, if the "elite" on the nations are misinformed idealogues who go to high education only to tell them that they are completely right about whatever they think and it will be okay, and hug them whenever any problem even remotely appears on the horizon.


Going to higher education is not just about "receiving facts", it is about spurring thought and giving one concepts. This "fad" won't change since one party do not want to give solutions that would make things better and holds everyone hostage.

The fact it is difficult to get things like greater police accountability when they kill more than a thousand people every year and severely injure others without punishment show there is no desire for solutions. There is a lot of economic and social issues that needs to be resolved, but won't be because of ideology not based in evidence. "Western civilization"? lol
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I've seen some universities that actually want to segregate students. It was one of the most backwards things I've ever seen.
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You really need to go experience the world...your like the Librarian...Need to space out your education. Go do something amazing and then come back...go do something amazing come back? Plus this all undergrad stuff...wasting your time and money going lateral need to move forward.
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Yeah, especially the racism part is pretty high up there. Ironically, racism to everyone, rather than particular race. You get the " Ew, white people f*ck them, right, the imprialist, slaver assholes, should just kill them all", on the other hand there is the attitude of "Oh <instert non white here> can't really do much for themselves, so we have to fight / get offended / lobby on their behalf." which I can't help but see as racist too.

I think we should just, erm, abolish the indoctrination classes, that is, many of the sociology fields. Gender studies, ethnic studies, all the subjects with "queer" in the title... It wouldn't solve much, but it could help. When a stupid, 18 years old idealogue comes to a university, it's good when they get facts rather than safe space and ideology reinforcement. *shrug*

I work at a fairly big universitry and thing I see sometimes make a cringe too much, I really hope this fad is going to change soon, otherwise I don't see the western civilisation surviving much sooner, if the "elite" on the nations are misinformed idealogues who go to high education only to tell them that they are completely right about whatever they think and it will be okay, and hug them whenever any problem even remotely appears on the horizon.


Going to higher education is not just about "receiving facts", it is about spurring thought and giving one concepts. This "fad" won't change since one party do not want to give solutions that would make things better and holds everyone hostage.

The fact it is difficult to get things like greater police accountability when they kill more than a thousand people every year and severely injure others without punishment show there is no desire for solutions. There is a lot of economic and social issues that needs to be resolved, but won't be because of ideology not based in evidence. "Western civilization"? lol


I'm not so sure higher education is, was or is supposed to be about spurring thought and giving concepts. It is about preparing people for a specific, generally more complicated jobs, which is about facts and praxis. If you haven't developed a personality by 20, university will not and is not supposed to solve that one for you. And there are solutions, of course there are, purging the universities to get rid of "teachers" who are there only to get new converts and reinforce ideologies, along with many made-up subjects that are being taught would be a good start. At the end of the day, it's meant to be a place where skilled professionals help prepare people to be skilled professionals in the future, not a place where weird surrogate parents cuddle their adult sized children.

As for police brutality, I don't think that has much to do with anything. *shrug*
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Colleges and universities are no longer places where various topics can be brought forward for discussion. They have their agenda that they want to push. You either believe what they are selling or just keep your mouth shut if you want a good grade.
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Elvikun wrote:

Yeah, especially the racism part is pretty high up there. Ironically, racism to everyone, rather than particular race. You get the " Ew, white people f*ck them, right, the imprialist, slaver assholes, should just kill them all", on the other hand there is the attitude of "Oh <instert non white here> can't really do much for themselves, so we have to fight / get offended / lobby on their behalf." which I can't help but see as racist too.

I think we should just, erm, abolish the indoctrination classes, that is, many of the sociology fields. Gender studies, ethnic studies, all the subjects with "queer" in the title... It wouldn't solve much, but it could help. When a stupid, 18 years old idealogue comes to a university, it's good when they get facts rather than safe space and ideology reinforcement. *shrug*

I work at a fairly big universitry and thing I see sometimes make a cringe too much, I really hope this fad is going to change soon, otherwise I don't see the western civilisation surviving much sooner, if the "elite" on the nations are misinformed idealogues who go to high education only to tell them that they are completely right about whatever they think and it will be okay, and hug them whenever any problem even remotely appears on the horizon.


Going to higher education is not just about "receiving facts", it is about spurring thought and giving one concepts. This "fad" won't change since one party do not want to give solutions that would make things better and holds everyone hostage.

The fact it is difficult to get things like greater police accountability when they kill more than a thousand people every year and severely injure others without punishment show there is no desire for solutions. There is a lot of economic and social issues that needs to be resolved, but won't be because of ideology not based in evidence. "Western civilization"? lol


I'm not so sure higher education is, was or is supposed to be about spurring thought and giving concepts. It is about preparing people for a specific, generally more complicated jobs, which is about facts and praxis. If you haven't developed a personality by 20, university will not and is not supposed to solve that one for you. And there are solutions, of course there are, purging the universities to get rid of "teachers" who are there only to get new converts and reinforce ideologies, along with many made-up subjects that are being taught would be a good start. At the end of the day, it's meant to be a place where skilled professionals help prepare people to be skilled professionals in the future, not a place where weird surrogate parents cuddle their adult sized children.

As for police brutality, I don't think that has much to do with anything. *shrug*


Universities have always and will always be about spurring thought, that is not something you can argue with. Yes, it is to give you the tools for a career, one of those tools is expanding one's thought process. Solving problems would require a lot of forward and out-side-of-the box thinking that requires one to understand the concepts. Many high schools in U.S do not teach children this. I love how you just threw an age out of your ass like there isn't such thing as changing past 20 years old.

There is no need for universities to purge anything so long as it spurs critical thinking and/or is factual. Some professors may have a bias in their teaching, but that is why university teaches you to think on your own two feet. Just because you get some economics professor telling you that trickle-down economics work, does not mean you have to agree or believe it when you have a lot of date to study it. Now if you want to debate whether public funds should be used for degrees that have no true future for career, then that is another story. You should realize what this thread is for... We got a guy here thinking that universities are somehow "more racist" towards white people which is lol worthy. I would laugh hard at the notion if it wasn't so pathetically stupid.

I was giving you an example of how bad ideology is infecting the political aspects of U.S enough to not even deal with common sense issues with common sense solutions. Unfortunately, the right side of the political spectrum for some reason is more extreme in its ideology simply to resist change.
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Posted 6/9/17 , edited 6/9/17

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or are they the same as always?


Same shit, different day / year / decade.

There are always college students of every given generation who think they've solved the world's problems or discovered the world's greatest cause. Then proceed to take it too far.

Only the topic changes. >.>




redokami wrote:honestly, im seeing a trend, literal trend of its the cool thing to now hate "whitey" and kick out any speaker that doesn't have your views -usually white and conservative -


That I would debate. The high profiles that have been run off campuses are white, but I would hesitate to call them conservative. They're trolls / attention mongers. People like Coulter are not exposing nuanced conservative views. They're trolling up outrage. They've made careers out of it. Coulter WANTS you to kick her off campus so she can drum up some more book sales.

And this reflects back on the people inviting said people to begin with. As serif said, it's cyclonic. A group on campus invites a speaker they *know* will cause a shit storm not out of genuine interest in said speaker but in order to provoke the "other team". It's basically a dare so they can claim moral high ground.

I dare you to stop us from inviting Provocative Asshole #4 so we can scream censorship / oppression / free speech.



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A club at my college invited Daniel Pipes during my junior year, and it got practically no reaction. I'm not sure it would have played out like that at other schools.
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why is this behavior being accepted , when it is totally wrong


and , if you think they are becoming more racist , what can be done about it?


i went to a private school. and it was thanks to college that was no longer racist towards Muslims anymore.

fun story: including me, there was only around like 15 black people on campus out of 10k people. and i was the only black male on my hall. i lived on the south side of the hall and one guy from GA thought it would be funny to put a confederate flag on south side and the US flag on the north side. i remember the 1st meeting we had we talked next to that flag and EVERYONE looked at me knowing damn well what that flag meant to black people. it was honestly the funniest thing in the world.

yes i hated that flag but i wasn't gonna ruin their fun. at least they asked my opinion. the dude who owned the flag was a cool guy and actually gave me a ride back home when the semester ended we lived so close to each other. the funny thing was our hall got in trouble and it was kinda awkward sitting in that sensitivity meeting about why that flag was 'bad'

this was probably the only time a story like this would ever be relevant on a topic at CR and i like telling it lol
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i don't know. It's been a while.. I'll need to stop by my old college soon.. to pick up my official transcript (required by an employer)..

maybe they will attack me the moment i got on campus ? i hope it's not that bad...

what should i wear ?




or maybe to piss off both sides i'll wear a shirt with "make America great again" in the front and "i'm still with her" in the back
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I've seen some universities that actually want to segregate students. It was one of the most backwards things I've ever seen.


i agree its crazy with people are wanting a return to the bad days where racism was almost a part of daily life for everyone yet those fools/idiots/shits etc want to return to it.
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I have been in the American university system for 10 years now, and I can say that yes, it is much more intolerant even than when I started. I don't know how it compares to the '60s and '70s, back when the universities bred actual leftist terrorist organizations that literally carried out regular bombings, but if I had to guess, the intolerance is worse now even though the violence isn't nearly as bad. And this is because, after 50 years, university officers and administrators in far greater numbers are far more sympathetic to the intolerance. They're likely far more impotent before it as well.

This historical context is important: With the end of the '70s's crisis in capitalism in the Reagan and the Thatcher years, the subsequent fall of communism, and Clinton's presidency, radical leftism lost its teeth. But when it turned out that history had not, in fact, ended, those teeth started growing back. Throw in the internet, which made everything go bonkers, and here we are now. Racism and sexism are still very much things, and they are still ingrained in society, and hence the university system, but universities have done a lot to fight these. The increasing intolerance helps superficially in that fight, but I don't think it'll work in the long run - especially if it keeps helping to produce Trumpian backlashes.

Having been steeped in the university setting, I have a hard time thinking that racism and sexism have gotten worse. Things have probably improved somewhat over the past 10 years, as more scandals and whatnot have come to light. The amount of light being shone upon such problems is only increasing. If only we would abolish Greek life.
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From when I was last in college to present I would say yes more racial tension.
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