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Would you buy a Tesla ?
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Posted 6/21/17 , edited 6/24/17
let's just say by some miracle we all can afford it would you buy one ?

I have to consider the 5 year ownership cost of this car + the hassle of maintenance and repair on luxury cars in general. I would pass.

I think a reliable car from a well known brand for 20-30K is a better choice.

http://www.consumerreports.org/tesla/tesla-autopilot-crash-victim-drove-mostly-hands-free-ntsb-says/
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Given the way the Arizona "climate" eats batteries and spits blood, no, even though there are a number of 'free' charging stations around this horse ranch town.
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Ideally, I'd like one fuel-efficient hybrid or fully gas car, and then an electric as well. I could use the electric car for the vast majority of my trips out, since they'd be short ones around town, where I can reliably get home without any worries about recharging. Then for the occasional trip far out of town, I can take the other car so that I won't have to worry about finding a place to recharge. Hopefully overtime, we'll replace gasoline altogether and trips out with a Tesla, Leaf, or other electric car will no longer be an issue with plenty of serviceable stations around.

On the autopilot in the article, the man didn't follow directions, and didn't take the warnings seriously. There's not much you can do after that: the fault is with him, not with the car. It's semi-autonomous, not fully. Still it's really sad he died, and I hope the best for his family and friends through it.
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ClothStatue wrote:

Ideally, I'd like one fuel-efficient hybrid or fully gas car, and then an electric as well. I could use the electric car for the vast majority of my trips out, since they'd be short ones around town, where I can reliably get home without any worries about recharging. Then for the occasional trip far out of town, I can take the other car so that I won't have to worry about finding a place to recharge. Hopefully overtime, we'll replace gasoline altogether and trips out with a Tesla, Leaf, or other electric car will no longer be an issue with plenty of serviceable stations around.


Road trips with a Tesla with the Supercharger system are now much more possible in the USA & western/northern Europe. I feel bad for anyone one tried to do a road trip in one a few years ago though.
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EVs are the most reliable vehicles on the road, bar none. There's nothing to break. My problem with the whole setup is that they expect you to be able to plug your car in for hours every day. There's no good reason I shouldn't be able to go to a place where all they do is unfasten my worn down battery and swap it with a freshly charged one in not much more time than it takes to fill an empty tank.
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EVs are the most reliable vehicles on the road, bar none. There's nothing to break. My problem with the whole setup is that they expect you to be able to plug your car in for hours every day. There's no good reason I shouldn't be able to go to a place where all they do is unfasten my worn down battery and swap it with a freshly charged one in not much more time than it takes to fill an empty tank.


Pretty much this....

They're also pretty damned safe, despite the accident you posted. The guy relied entirely on autopilot.
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MaliceMalus wrote:


ClothStatue wrote:

Ideally, I'd like one fuel-efficient hybrid or fully gas car, and then an electric as well. I could use the electric car for the vast majority of my trips out, since they'd be short ones around town, where I can reliably get home without any worries about recharging. Then for the occasional trip far out of town, I can take the other car so that I won't have to worry about finding a place to recharge. Hopefully overtime, we'll replace gasoline altogether and trips out with a Tesla, Leaf, or other electric car will no longer be an issue with plenty of serviceable stations around.


Road trips with a Tesla with the Supercharger system are now much more possible in the USA & western/northern Europe. I feel bad for anyone one tried to do a road trip in one a few years ago.


O really? I had no idea, that's great news! ^.^ I'm not too big into cars so I don't pay too much attention, but I knew electric cars had a problem with driving distance restrictions. But I hope more affordable cars can follow suit as well~
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Posted 6/21/17 , edited 6/22/17
At any rate, if I had that kind of change the first thing I buy would look something like this

// only available with three pedals
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Implying I ever drive with my hands anyway? lol
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no, since i can buy a zero
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What car battery is actually environmentally friendly?
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ad_arbitrium wrote:

EVs are the most reliable vehicles on the road, bar none. There's nothing to break. My problem with the whole setup is that they expect you to be able to plug your car in for hours every day. There's no good reason I shouldn't be able to go to a place where all they do is unfasten my worn down battery and swap it with a freshly charged one in not much more time than it takes to fill an empty tank.


really ? you have some credible sources or data over 20+ years to support this statement ?

the most reliable vehicles in this world are -- Toyotas. Yes, they have some bad cars and recalls but over all Toyota cars are the most reliable. It's a reputation that took more than a few years to earn.


the most embarrassing movement with Telsa is with consumer reports-- and this is a 70K+ car ?

Our Tesla Model S P85D Breaks, Before Testing | Consumer Reports
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwPVuG5hj08

Tesla Model S bursts into flames during test drive event in France - TomoNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifaH7uzkMT8

There are reasons why people usually dump new luxury cars after 3-5 years of ownership. They would rather passing the problems to someone else instead of dealing with those problems themselves..

If you have a lot of money to burn, buy luxury cars!


i would give it at last 20+ years and millions of people owning them before making claims about reliability. 10+ year old car owner can usually tell you if a specific car is reliable or not at that point
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Posted 6/22/17 , edited 6/22/17
I think it's reasonably obvious that anything that's entirely new from the ground up is going to have technical issues to sort out. Tesla is building high output performance cars which push the boundary of their practical limitations. In the late sixties and seventies, Japanese cars had a reputation in America for being flimsy and undependable, Toyota included. Being a very new company as auto manufacturers go, Tesla will have a learning curve to deal with, but they are a less than prime example regardless because they

have not had decades to refine their product

are not building for a mass market, as demonstrated by their products

are not the only manufacturers of EV. There are others who do it better.

You're talking Tesla vs Toyota. A brand new upstart company who specializes in mad science vs. a mass market megalith who has eighty years of experience building cars that define the word conventional / boring yet sound.

You will see that conventional engines will never be as reliable or maintenance free as an electric motor with one moving part. That said, I will be driving old junk til the day I die. EVs have no soul, but neither can they be killed.
Posted 6/22/17 , edited 6/22/17
I will pass on tesla just give me my everyday car to go from A to point B. haha
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