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Our sea and oceans have been turned a dumping ground of waste. We have little to no ideal about our under water world why mess it up more by moving people into it?
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Welp, 1000 to 1 is a bit exaggerating, uso .

Hmm, but that doesn't make sense. The corporations in Taiwan is just as big as the ones in America, my company is not U.S based. And even in the U.S there could be small companies. Now if the company is earning lots of money, why do they keep the salary low? Is it decided by the government? This whole salary range just does not make sense, it should be based on skills and outputs. Even then people here are earning a base salary of 1000 dollars a month for fresh graduates, mutually. Mine is slightly higher being 1400 dollars.

Is it going to be kept this way?


I had "may" in italics, because I don't know if US based corps have an impact on the salaries in Taiwan, but it was possible, where the US government doesn't have an impact on the salaries in Taiwan. I couldn't speak to what is causing the salary to be kept low there, I don't live there, nor am I studied on what the economic situation is there. You were comparing US and Taiwan salaries and indicating that it was incorrect for someone to say was not a US problem or concern. If the US, or even US based corps, have no control over the situation, why should they make it a concern, other than to make sure they have covered themselves in case of failure of the Taiwan economy?


Yes, I have shifted the problem from US to being a Taiwan's internal problem, but well, as you've mentioned, you have no idea how the economy works here. But you do know that the salary in America is decided by the American corps, a base salary of 40k to 50k a year for a fresh graduate I assume. With that comparison in mind, Taiwan's salary would be also based on the Taiwan's corps.Why the low salary? Why?


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Our sea and oceans have been turned a dumping ground of waste. We have little to no ideal about our under water world why mess it up more by moving people into it?


Alright so you are against mid or below sea, I've changed my idea to the above water 4 arms mechanical platform unit. The original idea had the Chinese under water train in mind, I dunno how it's built or how safe it is, I just know it exists
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fredreload wrote:

Yes, I have shifted the problem from US to being a Taiwan's internal problem, but well, as you've mentioned, you have no idea how the economy works here. But you do know that the salary in America is decided by the American corps, a base salary of 40k to 50k a year for a fresh graduate I assume. With that comparison in mind, Taiwan's salary would be also based on the Taiwan's corps.Why the low salary? Why?



Actually, no, 40k to 50k a year is not the base salary for fresh graduate. That is an excellent salary that many people in the US feel they could never achieve (as an individual salary). That is the median household income in the US, meaning that the majority of US citizens have a household income of 50k, and at least a plurality of those are households with more than one earner. Now, if you are talking salary for a programmer, which I recall you saying that you were, then it would be much closer to say that base salary is around 40k to 50k. Because the US varies wildly in salary and cost of living depending on the area, some areas you could probably expect less when first starting.
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fredreload wrote:

Yes, I have shifted the problem from US to being a Taiwan's internal problem, but well, as you've mentioned, you have no idea how the economy works here. But you do know that the salary in America is decided by the American corps, a base salary of 40k to 50k a year for a fresh graduate I assume. With that comparison in mind, Taiwan's salary would be also based on the Taiwan's corps.Why the low salary? Why?



Actually, no, 40k to 50k a year is not the base salary for fresh graduate. That is an excellent salary that many people in the US feel they could never achieve (as an individual salary). That is the median household income in the US, meaning that the majority of US citizens have a household income of 50k, and at least a plurality of those are households with more than one earner. Now, if you are talking salary for a programmer, which I recall you saying that you were, then it would be much closer to say that base salary is around 40k to 50k. Because the US varies wildly in salary and cost of living depending on the area, some areas you could probably expect less when first starting.


Hmm, base salary 15 dollars an hour in California, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. That gets you 600 dollars a week. 4 weeks a month for 12 months so 600*4*12=28800 dollars. Ya that is quite low, for me 1400 a month for 12 months make 16800 a year, which is 12000 dollars off.

That makes it a bit hard for me to complain, but that is minimum wage. That is for someone working at the frozen yogurt place. Enough said, how much do you get paid being a cashier for Mc Donald in America?
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fredreload wrote:

That makes it a bit hard for me to complain, but that is minimum wage. That is for someone working at the frozen yogurt place. Enough said, how much do you get paid being a cashier for Mc Donald in America?


Not sure, never worked in fast food. I've worked in programming over half my career. I earn closer to what your American programmer friends earn. I'm not saying that the salaries in Taiwan aren't bad, just that programming is actually one of the higher paying jobs in the US.

I should also mention that $15 /hour is still not minimum wage in California.
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Only Asia and Africa have a population issue. Americas and Europe are fine.


Nope we will have issues as well with coastal sea rise, so where would you move most of coastal Taxes or all of the population of Florida?
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fredreload wrote:


ishe5555 wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Yes, I have shifted the problem from US to being a Taiwan's internal problem, but well, as you've mentioned, you have no idea how the economy works here. But you do know that the salary in America is decided by the American corps, a base salary of 40k to 50k a year for a fresh graduate I assume. With that comparison in mind, Taiwan's salary would be also based on the Taiwan's corps.Why the low salary? Why?



Actually, no, 40k to 50k a year is not the base salary for fresh graduate. That is an excellent salary that many people in the US feel they could never achieve (as an individual salary). That is the median household income in the US, meaning that the majority of US citizens have a household income of 50k, and at least a plurality of those are households with more than one earner. Now, if you are talking salary for a programmer, which I recall you saying that you were, then it would be much closer to say that base salary is around 40k to 50k. Because the US varies wildly in salary and cost of living depending on the area, some areas you could probably expect less when first starting.


Hmm, base salary 15 dollars an hour in California, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. That gets you 600 dollars a week. 4 weeks a month for 12 months so 600*4*12=28800 dollars. Ya that is quite low, for me 1400 a month for 12 months make 16800 a year, which is 12000 dollars off.

That makes it a bit hard for me to complain, but that is minimum wage. That is for someone working at the frozen yogurt place. Enough said, how much do you get paid being a cashier for Mc Donald in America?


I used to work for Mcdonalds a few years back in California and I made $8.25 an hour doing that. The hours were so abysmal but can't complain much when you are in High School.
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ishe5555 wrote:


fredreload wrote:

That makes it a bit hard for me to complain, but that is minimum wage. That is for someone working at the frozen yogurt place. Enough said, how much do you get paid being a cashier for Mc Donald in America?


Not sure, never worked in fast food. I've worked in programming over half my career. I earn closer to what your American programmer friends earn. I'm not saying that the salaries in Taiwan aren't bad, just that programming is actually one of the higher paying jobs in the US.


Well my programming job here in Taiwan is already considered a high paying job, to earn a 40k income you'll need like a doctoral degree as a manager. Well, what are your guys thoughts on Chinese programmers and Chinese applications? Are they below your standards? Or do you guys not bother to use lol . We program with asp.net and C#, I also tested with python before. Personally I think we can exchange our ideas lol, but your tech is probably superior


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fredreload wrote:


ishe5555 wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Yes, I have shifted the problem from US to being a Taiwan's internal problem, but well, as you've mentioned, you have no idea how the economy works here. But you do know that the salary in America is decided by the American corps, a base salary of 40k to 50k a year for a fresh graduate I assume. With that comparison in mind, Taiwan's salary would be also based on the Taiwan's corps.Why the low salary? Why?



Actually, no, 40k to 50k a year is not the base salary for fresh graduate. That is an excellent salary that many people in the US feel they could never achieve (as an individual salary). That is the median household income in the US, meaning that the majority of US citizens have a household income of 50k, and at least a plurality of those are households with more than one earner. Now, if you are talking salary for a programmer, which I recall you saying that you were, then it would be much closer to say that base salary is around 40k to 50k. Because the US varies wildly in salary and cost of living depending on the area, some areas you could probably expect less when first starting.


Hmm, base salary 15 dollars an hour in California, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. That gets you 600 dollars a week. 4 weeks a month for 12 months so 600*4*12=28800 dollars. Ya that is quite low, for me 1400 a month for 12 months make 16800 a year, which is 12000 dollars off.

That makes it a bit hard for me to complain, but that is minimum wage. That is for someone working at the frozen yogurt place. Enough said, how much do you get paid being a cashier for Mc Donald in America?


I used to work for Mcdonalds a few years back in California and I made $8.25 an hour doing that. The hours were so abysmal but can't complain much when you are in High School.


Welp 8.25 an hour, looks like things aren't much better on the other side of the globe , Fred is going to sleep and call it a night, any lower Fred is going to cry.

P.S Anyway good talking to you guys Amejia and ishe5555, keep in touch and I'll see you guys on some MMORPG lol
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fredreload wrote:

Well my programming job here in Taiwan is already considered a high paying job, to earn a 40k income you'll need like a doctoral degree as a manager. Well, what are your guys thoughts on Chinese programmers and Chinese applications? Are they below your standards? Or do you guys not bother to use lol . We program with asp.net and C#, I also tested with python before. Personally I think we can exchange our ideas lol, but your tech is probably superior


Depends on the application. It's more about what an application does, how well it does it, and the security/trustworthiness, then where it was written.

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Welp 8.25 an hour, looks like things aren't much better on the other side of the globe , Fred is going to sleep and call it a night, any lower Fred is going to cry.


Not to make you cry, but California minimum wage is higher than the overall US minimum wage, which is 7.25 per hour. Also, in some US states that use the US minimum wage, tips count towards that minimum wage. So, their actual salary from their employer is less than that.
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America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management.


Not really. They're enormously rich in natural resources, have tons of unexploited land in Canada and Russia that's becoming easier to settle with modern means, and they do not have growing population numbers. Plus, they use some of the most advanced, efficient resource exploitation methods known.

The third world will just become irrelevant unless they attract business investments with their cheap labor. They have plenty of land and resources, themselves, but poor means of exploiting them currently.


You clearly did not read the other part of my post. I should rephrase for clarity: The first world countries gain their development by underdeveloping the third world countries. The Western countries gain their development first by colonization, then by supporting puppet government in the former European colonies. This violate the Capitalist assumption that a party could only benefit by mutual cooperation with a second party. I should also comment about the external cost that the Capitalist ideology negate: the Western transnational corporate and their puppet governments should be punished for profiting at the cost of the third world citizen so the external cost could be internalized.


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sinoakayumi wrote:

America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management.


You kidding? You need to go on a road trip across the USA, especially when our drop in births and empty, government-owned land are taken into account. Overpopulation isn't going to be an issue anytime soon, discounting buffoons who only want to squeeze like sardines into already-crowded cities. Culture alone certainly doesn't cause the overpopulation you desire. Yeah, you clearly despise Europe and the USA, but karma or whatever your fueling your assessment on simply doesn't work that way.


Overpopulation is not my desire; overpopulation is a real problem since jobs is becoming concentrated into the metropolitan cities. The rural areas have no jobs because the jobs in raw industry are outsourced to the third world countries where the puppet government provide biased service to foreign business at the costs of the local citizen. Also, what do you mean by "empty, government-owned land"? Are you refering to the natural environment that is not ignored just because the business can go to the third world to evade the environmental laws? Or are you refering to the native reserves that is protected because the government have no other habitable land to relocate the Native Americans without increasing job competition in the metropolitan cities?
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Hey, thanks for the feedback, It is much easier to stay above sea for the same reason that the entire thing needs to be vacuum sealed mid or below sea. My idea, a platform extends just slightly above sea level. Right you need 4 poles that extends all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Like a huge table. The problem is four poles that extends to the bottom of the ocean sounds inefficient. This is as far as my idea goes.


You don't need legs going down to the ocean floor to have a stable offshore platform. Look up SPAR platforms. They are building sized cylindrical towers, that can float in the open sea. because only the top 30 meters out of their 200 meter height, is above water, surface waves do not move them. In addition they can be anchored to the seabed to keep them from drifting. A network of spar platforms with bridges between, could form a large , modular city.

There are oil platforms which do stand on legs, or girders but that limits you to shallow water, less than 800 feet.
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On the subject of sea colonization...
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The idea of the logistics of safety of mass-submerged construction on the scale of a small city, leaves me frightened and awestruck.


Gonna need some Daddies to take care of any leaks.

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fire and floods we can't escape them.
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Omg it's gonna be like Rapture in Bioshock 1 & 2
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