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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17

domvina wrote:

In my opinion if there's an anime and its manga that do female "action heroes" right it's Claymore. I could write pages and pages on how even the side characters are well-done. It's a shame the franchise doesn't get more attention.


It's long since wrapped up which I guess is why. Wouldn't mind an anime revisit esp if they properly attention to the full story and ending.
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17

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Yea Fate/Stay Night was originally an Eroge, so that would make sense, but with the fan service comes a great character too, hence my first point, more than just fan service.


I do not think she is a great character till Fate/Zero, but one of the biggest problem is Fate Stay/Night is that it functions too much like a dating simulator as well as it is an eroge.

The most notable trait being that romantic options whose routes one is not on are regressed to the foreground, if not existent. Some visual novels work well with this, such as Katawa Shoujo, while others like Grisaia are just as concerned with the overarching trilogy.

Fate Stay/Night does what Katawa Shoujo and many other similar dating simulators do, and focus on one heroine a route. Sakura does not appear in Saber's Route after it has started, for example. This is especially troublesome when this aspect leaves characters like Saber, who were decently characterized in one route, regress to the foreground in others, despite the fact she is omnipresent in every route as Shirou's servant and would ideally still contribute to the story regardless of romantic potential.

It is laughable to tell the story concerning a battle royale in such a manner, when such interesting characters are forced to step aside from an already 50+ hour visual novel, thereby reducing the actual cast, versus where everyone in such a situation would be an actual character. A player in the story.

I hate to appear to kiss the ass of Gen Urobuchi, but at the very least, he wrote Fate/Zero as a Light Novel, and it shows with how it is structured more evenly to the large ensemble of heroes and masters then Fate Stay/Night, which I would not consider bad for what it is, but just all the more harder to adapt to an actual anime.

In short, Saber's character is much more iconic via Fate/Zero, even while the visual novel of Fate Stay/Night had accrued sizable popularity by itself. In the visual novel, she does not stand out on any route than her own, and it such a lackluster appearance in her route as well.

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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17
More Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell), Balsa (Moribito), Shiki (Kara no Kyoukai), Saber (Fate franchise; not the VN since this is about anime), Claymore females overall as someone mentioned, RWBY (animation), etc. would definitely be something I'd want. Female characters actually treated respectfully instead of the creators taking every opportunity to show off T&A. I'd want it in every genre, instead of the stale male lead where its just the same old thing. Part of why I picked up RWBY in particular was because of it and its creator (Monty) going against the fanservice aspects and treating female characters with respect in being their badass and independent selves without power degradation to make the more appealing. Same thing somewhat applies to Shingeki no Kyojin in at least the badass and lack of fanservice aspects (the independence in Mikasa's case isn't there sadly). Not to mention this opens new literary doors, though it'd also mean JP becoming more accepting to lgbt as there's likely to be f/f pairings and honestly that in itself is a literary door that should in the modern era be opened already.
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17
I don't like action heroes, period.

I prefer anime with male characters that care about their hair, and wear makeup and frilly clothes, and don't fight. Especially when they sing.

No, I'm not joking.

I really don't care either way about female characters. I hate it when people talk about it, because people act like any show about girls who aren't fighting is somehow demeaning too women for showing a woman who isn't a murderer. I don't like action heroes, period, regardless of gender. I don't know what there is to like about characters with weapons.

I feel like the world would be a better place if we used "murderer" instead of "warrior". It would make it sink in for people what they're really talking about when they talk about action and violence.

Also, I like fanservice, I just think there needs to be more fanservice of male characters, too. I don't think sex is demeaning, I think violence is demeaning.
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/15/17

LavenderMintRose wrote:

I don't like action heroes, period.

I prefer anime with male characters that care about their hair, and wear makeup and frilly clothes, and don't fight. Especially when they sing.

No, I'm not joking.

I really don't care either way about female characters. I hate it when people talk about it, because people act like any show about girls who aren't fighting is somehow demeaning too women for showing a woman who isn't a murderer. I don't like action heroes, period, regardless of gender. I don't know what there is to like about characters with weapons.

I feel like the world would be a better place if we used "murderer" instead of "warrior". It would make it sink in for people what they're really talking about when they talk about action and violence.

Also, I like fanservice, I just think there needs to be more fanservice of male characters, too. I don't think sex is demeaning, I think violence is demeaning.



I am not sure I feel that way about many characters, honestly. My problem lies with people like Aang of Avatar: The Last Airbender, not killing, which is used to create a fascinating conflict at least, but when I look at a few characters, such as Natsu who is quick to make friends despite whatever horrible shit they have done, including beating a defenseless Lucy for hours, I wish for the opposite, though knowing my diatribes on Sword Art Online concerning what Kirito did to Sughou, I do not advocate the other end either. Despite this, I have not watched many action shows where I would be angered. For example, Dragon Ball Z had a powerful impact in my childhood in contrast to US Cartoons, where Android 16 stated to Gohan that, if he cherished life, he must fight to protect it, and a being like Cell couldn't be made to understand.

Just my thoughts. What anime did you have as mind as advocating or downplaying murder?
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/15/17
Does Puella Magi Madoka Magi count I hear that gets mentioned sometimes for having good female character development. I've watched nothing of it yet I've heard the whole thing deals with magical girls suddenly realizing they've been tricked into killing each other? I'm not sure if that'd bode well into turning them into strong cast members but maybe I'm wrong?
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/15/17
I don't have a problem with females MC's in anime... I doubt anyone does if its a well developed MC.
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Posted 8/15/17 , edited 8/15/17

DragonFan1 wrote:

Does Puella Magi Madoka Magi count I hear that gets mentioned sometimes for having good female character development. I've watched nothing of it yet I've heard the whole thing deals with magical girls suddenly realizing they've been tricked into killing each other? I'm not sure if that'd bode well into turning them into strong cast members but maybe I'm wrong?


There's a reason "Magical Girl" is a trope and "Magical Boy" isn't (shout out to my homey Ayumu)

They are mc's and good but they aren't "heroines" per se
Posted 8/15/17 , edited 8/16/17
I never watch anime with female leads. The only exception when I would is for romance anime but even then, I still prefer a male lead.
Female characters are annoying in the way they talk and act. They're better off as a side or supporting character.
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Posted 8/15/17 , edited 8/16/17
I like female leads that are well developed and grow.

Same for ANY lead regardless of gender.

One of my favorite female leads is Yona from Yona of the Dawn. She starts of weak but grows into a very strong character.
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