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Showing that you are right isn't always better than having self-control. I remember there being a study about after a certain amount of back and forth comments in an argument (around 4 I believe), the opponent's chances of agreeing with you drops to nearly 0 so it becomes pointless. Apparently, a way to raise your chances to change their mind also depends on your wordplay. Do you state things like a fact arrogantly or do you phrase yourself like "It may be the case that..."?

If you dislike letting your opponent have the last word then think of it this way: thinking that a person who stops arguing means he concedes the point is like thinking that a person who stops eating is full; it's an argument from silence logical fallacy. So pretty much, if your opponent thinks "He stopped, therefore he conceded to me", that's pretty much a fallacy on his part. Not having the last word doesn't mean you lost, just move on.
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i always win
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I usually reply once to whatever post caught my interest and then get bored and go chase a manga butterfly or something, so the arguments I get into don't last very long.
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If they're not arguing correctly then just point it out to them *shrug*

If you're not good at pointing out their mistakes then forget it
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I don't argue with anyone on the internet. It's pointless and a waste of time.
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I watch this shit on the sidelines and cringe.
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jkphantom wrote:
Lately me and another user have been having a back and forth argument on one of the topics in the forums here, and despite everything, they just misinterpret things and skew them as to what they want to hear as a way to justify their own ends, and it just makes them look stubborn.


There's a point where you have to walk away. You can't MAKE people change their minds or understand you. It's just not in your power. And if someone really wants to think something, they're going to keep right on thinking it.

Here, try this exercise. You undoubtedly have some form of belief in whether there is a God or not. You either believe, or you don't. So imagine that you are standing on a stage in front of an audience who believes the other thing.

If you are literally the most brilliant and persuasive person in the world and give the best speech you can possibly give, how many of those people will change their minds?

You'd be lucky to convince five percent. And you're not the most brilliant and persuasive person in the world, so convincing anyone to change what they believe... well, there's less than a five percent chance.

In fact, taking the other side isn't about the other person at all. It's about the people watching who don't have an opinion yet. Swap out that audience of people with the opposite opinion for people with no opinion, and your conversion rate goes up to thirty and forty percent... or more.

So when you're talking to some idiot who won't listen to you, remember, it's not about the idiot. It's about the people watching. If they see he's a stubborn idiot losing his shit over a stupid idea, and you're calmly explaining why the idea is stupid, you win. Not that he'll ever admit it, or that anyone else will ever tell you. But if you keep your head while he loses his, you win.

And once he goes entirely off the deep end, you can walk away - and seriously, you should, because by then it's like beating a retarded kid with a stick. You can keep doing it, but it just makes YOU look like the dickhole.


People are free to have opinions on the internet sure, but what if it's an opinion that is just flawed and politically incorrect?


They're still free to have it.

There's a guy right now with a thread talking about his idea for an engine. It's scientifically impossible and will never work. I've posted twice in the thread to explain this.

Now, no matter how many times I explain, he may simply insist that his idea is brilliant and will make him rich when everybody on the planet is getting all the free energy they want from his amazing engine.

This is WRONG, but he has every right to go around being wrong. Same if he was racist, or sexist, or just had an unwarranted devotion to unsound economic policies. You're ALLOWED to be stupid and wrong and say it in public.

Which is important, because maybe after I explain to this guy that his engine won't work, he will go away and think about it some more and maybe take a physics class or something. Being wrong, finding out you're wrong, and going back to the drawing board so you can try to be right is how brilliant people make brilliant things that really do make them rich. And I can't say this guy will never invent a brilliant new engine that provides cheaper and more efficient energy. Maybe he will.

And the first step to that is being stupid and wrong and saying it out loud.
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Zavinus wrote:

I don't argue with anyone on the internet. It's pointless and a waste of time.


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Arrogance.
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Literally only do it because toxic beliefs have gone mainstream. To be complacent is to be part of the problem.
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I win every argument by simply smiling and rolling my eyes.

Seriously though, there's no point in arguing with people on the internet. Most people are so close-minded they'll never admit defeat. Everyone thinks their own opinion is right, so everyone always thinks they've won the argument at the end of it all, but the truth is there are no winners in arguments. Just participants. And boasting about how you've won an argument is akin to showing off the third grade soccer trophy you got for just showing up.
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Ocale wrote:

Just get over it and focus more on improving yourself instead of improving others.

I stop replying to people if I have nothing more worth-while to say or if my words just won't reach them. My time is better spent elsewhere, if not doing something productive for myself, then at least enjoying myself more instead.

If you enjoy conflict and frustrating yourself, you can keep doing what you're doing though.


^^Pretty much this. Unless you enjoy arguments for the sake of arguing, it's important to recognize when a person isn't interested in changing their own opinion.
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Arguing over the internet with a random stranger over something that doesn't have a direct physical consequence if you win or lose is the biggest waste of time ever.

Everyone is different, you just need to accept that. Some people are idiots, you need to accept that too. Finally, has anyone ever convinced anyone to change religion just by telling them the glory of Christ/Allah/Buddha door to door? No, they haven't, so why would something similar work over the internet?

Now it's one thing to argue with someone personal in your life, like your spouse over pulling their end of the weight in work. But arguing over politics or virtues? Laughable at best, cringe waste of time at worst.
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when it comes to opinions, not everyone is going to agree or disagree
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